1620 The Zone Round Table Discussion

Man Polo, you are continually pulling things out of your a$$ to use to discredit the team. Give it a rest already.

 
It amazes me how a few ex players and reporters sitting around talking about Husker football can raise certain people's blood pressure so much. When that happen, you really need to question where you ground your emotions towards the program.

 
walksalone said:
Stumpy1 said:
Man Polo, you are continually pulling things out of your a$$ to use to discredit the team. Give it a rest already.
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I'm beginning to think he's a Buff or Mizzou sleeper cell...
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Stumpy1 said:
I'm starting to thinks so as well Walks...along with Hunter, husker 99 and Addison...
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I know you guys are joking, but there's a Woodshed for statements about other members. Please use it for these things, even as jokes. Thanks!

Regarding NUpolo8, I've met the guy, had beers, and he seems legit. I didn't ask for any ID, though. Shoulda taken his Husker Fan ID # and run it through the gonkulator to see if it was fake. My bad.

 
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LOL....Jay Foreman just went through how when he arrived on campus, an upper classman took him under his wing and told him what he needed to do in the weight room to keep up. The older players showed the example and if you wanted to be like that, then you needed to do what it took to keep up.

No where did Jay say it was the coaches that held him or anyone accountable. It was the upper classmen and the other members of your position group that motivates you. THAT along with wanting to be the same or better than the player you look up to.

Coaches can tell you to do what ever they want and they can yell and scream all you want. BUT, it is the players that have to hold each other accountable and the inner competitiveness inside each player that is going to make a team great.

I love how people are upset that the coaches aren't holding players accountable. BUT, I remember having arguments on here about players like Jamal Turner because the coaches weren't playing him enough. The reason was because he hadn't shown in practice that he is doing what it takes to win and can do what he needs to do on the field. I was constantly told..."Well, some players are just not practice players. They will shine in the game". Well, that attitude is BS. Yes, you might make some highlight somewhere in some game. BUT, if you don't put the time in in the weight room and go 100% on the practice field and in the film room, then, there will be other players with possibly less raw talent pass you up.

The players have to hold these kids accountable. The older players that are successful need to be showing the younger players what it takes to succeed.

Ameer is a beast in the weight room and on the practice field. He now has lifter of the year two years in a row and it showed on the field. Players like Cross, Newby and Taylor need to now look at him and say..."wow...I want to be like him so I'm going to do the same or more than he did in the off season and during the season in practice".

Bo can yell at them all he wants, but, until the younger players have this kind of attitude and respect for older players, then their level of success is going to be hampered.

 
BigRedBuster said:
It amazes me how a few ex players and reporters sitting around talking about Husker football can raise certain people's blood pressure so much. When that happen, you really need to question where you ground your emotions towards the program.
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Isn't that the truth. I know I am in the minority on TF, but I think he is just a bitter old FB player longing for his glory days. He might get a little more access to things if he wasn't so negative about things all the time.

I am grateful for his contributions to the Nebraska teams in the 90's and think he was a great QB, but you can tell he has nothing more in his life to worry about than Nebraska football.

As far as the S/C discussion. I don't think I or anyone else has any Idea as to what is going on. There are about 100 different philosophies on S/C out there. Most are not better than the other, they are just different.

If NU goes 12-0 next year and has no injuries will the bitching about this stop? Most likely it will. Injuries happen especially knee injuries to O-linemen when they get rolled up on.

The players look lean and in shape. Look at the linemen now vs. the linemen in 2003 or so and tell me if they aren't a leaner looking bunch.

 
BigRedBuster said:
LOL....Jay Foreman just went through how when he arrived on campus, an upper classman took him under his wing and told him what he needed to do in the weight room to keep up. The older players showed the example and if you wanted to be like that, then you needed to do what it took to keep up.

No where did Jay say it was the coaches that held him or anyone accountable. It was the upper classmen and the other members of your position group that motivates you. THAT along with wanting to be the same or better than the player you look up to.

Coaches can tell you to do what ever they want and they can yell and scream all you want. BUT, it is the players that have to hold each other accountable and the inner competitiveness inside each player that is going to make a team great.

I love how people are upset that the coaches aren't holding players accountable. BUT, I remember having arguments on here about players like Jamal Turner because the coaches weren't playing him enough. The reason was because he hadn't shown in practice that he is doing what it takes to win and can do what he needs to do on the field. I was constantly told..."Well, some players are just not practice players. They will shine in the game". Well, that attitude is BS. Yes, you might make some highlight somewhere in some game. BUT, if you don't put the time in in the weight room and go 100% on the practice field and in the film room, then, there will be other players with possibly less raw talent pass you up.

The players have to hold these kids accountable. The older players that are successful need to be showing the younger players what it takes to succeed.

Ameer is a beast in the weight room and on the practice field. He now has lifter of the year two years in a row and it showed on the field. Players like Cross, Newby and Taylor need to now look at him and say..."wow...I want to be like him so I'm going to do the same or more than he did in the off season and during the season in practice".

Bo can yell at them all he wants, but, until the younger players have this kind of attitude and respect for older players, then their level of success is going to be hampered.
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+1 agree completely.

 
I think a lot of the former players get caught up in this...

They used to be "gods", then, that starts to slip away so lots of them kind of want to be part of the program again BUT they don't really want to be part of it, they don't want to be GA's and work 60 hours per week for almost no pay, they don't want to be "interns" that basically don't get paid and are gofers, they just want to be part of the program again. They want to show up to practice and get the old "Hey, Tommie, how did you do when you played in the 90s" type of treatment and then they want chat about "it" for 10 minutes and then maybe show a quick drill or something like that.

They want to have "it" again, most people do. How many of you that played high school ball would have those few kids that graduated stop by practice from time to time, sometimes they would even tell the coach "Hey, if you ever need me to help out, let me know" but they really don't mean it, they MEAN it but they don't MEAN it, if that makes sense.

I have coached for a long time now and I get that from time to time, I know they mean well and I know they miss it but I also know that in the end, they really just want to be around it again and usually just for a short time.

With that being said, most of this staff never coached those guys at NU in the 90s, so it is a bit "different" for them, they know them but they don't KNOW them.

 
teachercd said:
I think a lot of the former players get caught up in this...

They used to be "gods", then, that starts to slip away so lots of them kind of want to be part of the program again BUT they don't really want to be part of it, they don't want to be GA's and work 60 hours per week for almost no pay, they don't want to be "interns" that basically don't get paid and are gofers, they just want to be part of the program again. They want to show up to practice and get the old "Hey, Tommie, how did you do when you played in the 90s" type of treatment and then they want chat about "it" for 10 minutes and then maybe show a quick drill or something like that.

They want to have "it" again, most people do. How many of you that played high school ball would have those few kids that graduated stop by practice from time to time, sometimes they would even tell the coach "Hey, if you ever need me to help out, let me know" but they really don't mean it, they MEAN it but they don't MEAN it, if that makes sense.

I have coached for a long time now and I get that from time to time, I know they mean well and I know they miss it but I also know that in the end, they really just want to be around it again and usually just for a short time.

With that being said, most of this staff never coached those guys at NU in the 90s, so it is a bit "different" for them, they know them but they don't KNOW them.
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Excellent post I agree with what you are saying. I coached football for 20 years and know exactly what you are talking about.

 
BigRedBuster said:
LOL....Jay Foreman just went through how when he arrived on campus, an upper classman took him under his wing and told him what he needed to do in the weight room to keep up. The older players showed the example and if you wanted to be like that, then you needed to do what it took to keep up.

No where did Jay say it was the coaches that held him or anyone accountable. It was the upper classmen and the other members of your position group that motivates you. THAT along with wanting to be the same or better than the player you look up to.

Coaches can tell you to do what ever they want and they can yell and scream all you want. BUT, it is the players that have to hold each other accountable and the inner competitiveness inside each player that is going to make a team great.

I love how people are upset that the coaches aren't holding players accountable. BUT, I remember having arguments on here about players like Jamal Turner because the coaches weren't playing him enough. The reason was because he hadn't shown in practice that he is doing what it takes to win and can do what he needs to do on the field. I was constantly told..."Well, some players are just not practice players. They will shine in the game". Well, that attitude is BS. Yes, you might make some highlight somewhere in some game. BUT, if you don't put the time in in the weight room and go 100% on the practice field and in the film room, then, there will be other players with possibly less raw talent pass you up.

The players have to hold these kids accountable. The older players that are successful need to be showing the younger players what it takes to succeed.

Ameer is a beast in the weight room and on the practice field. He now has lifter of the year two years in a row and it showed on the field. Players like Cross, Newby and Taylor need to now look at him and say..."wow...I want to be like him so I'm going to do the same or more than he did in the off season and during the season in practice".

Bo can yell at them all he wants, but, until the younger players have this kind of attitude and respect for older players, then their level of success is going to be hampered.
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Great post and don't forget that coaches can only be in direct contact w players a set amount of hours per week. It's absolutely up to guys to lift and watch film w/o coaches present.

Also, coaches don't just follow players around coaching them all damn day long. They have other sh#t to do, and a portion of it isn't even football related in the slightest.

 
I think that is where we fail. We are not using the same coaching numbers as Bama. Nor the same recruiting associates that they have. They have found ways around the limits, that we seem to be bound by. By choice or financially.

Anyone know how to find out the actual numbers employed in both departments. I think there are huge number differences, maybe over 50 people doing jobs at Bama, that our coaches do. IE recruiting, strength and conditioning, film management (comes under recruiting, but they have a group assigned to do it) How do they get by with it, and if it is truly being done, why doesn't Nebraska?

 
The stories about the motivation of the 90s players are pretty intense. I know people are quick to dismiss them as "we walked uphill both ways"-type nostalgic nonsense, but I think there's legitimately something to them. Benning talked about how Aaron Taylor, Outland winner and one of the top five linemen in Nebraska history, was picked on constantly by the other starters for his pudginess. They were all physical freaks and it motivated him to push himself harder in the weight room. I've heard quite a few stories about how the players around that time were fiercely competitive with one another. I don't know for sure, of course, but it doesn't seem there is that type of atmosphere today.

As for the whole leaders thing: I agree this team is missing something in that department. But perhaps the coaching staff breeds leaders in one way or another. I mean, did Osborne just get lucky and happen to have a few great leaders pop up on his teams, or did he and his staff create an environment where leaders were more likely to arise?

 
BigRedBuster said:
LOL....Jay Foreman just went through how when he arrived on campus, an upper classman took him under his wing and told him what he needed to do in the weight room to keep up. The older players showed the example and if you wanted to be like that, then you needed to do what it took to keep up.

No where did Jay say it was the coaches that held him or anyone accountable. It was the upper classmen and the other members of your position group that motivates you. THAT along with wanting to be the same or better than the player you look up to.

Coaches can tell you to do what ever they want and they can yell and scream all you want. BUT, it is the players that have to hold each other accountable and the inner competitiveness inside each player that is going to make a team great.

I love how people are upset that the coaches aren't holding players accountable. BUT, I remember having arguments on here about players like Jamal Turner because the coaches weren't playing him enough. The reason was because he hadn't shown in practice that he is doing what it takes to win and can do what he needs to do on the field. I was constantly told..."Well, some players are just not practice players. They will shine in the game". Well, that attitude is BS. Yes, you might make some highlight somewhere in some game. BUT, if you don't put the time in in the weight room and go 100% on the practice field and in the film room, then, there will be other players with possibly less raw talent pass you up.

The players have to hold these kids accountable. The older players that are successful need to be showing the younger players what it takes to succeed.

Ameer is a beast in the weight room and on the practice field. He now has lifter of the year two years in a row and it showed on the field. Players like Cross, Newby and Taylor need to now look at him and say..."wow...I want to be like him so I'm going to do the same or more than he did in the off season and during the season in practice".

Bo can yell at them all he wants, but, until the younger players have this kind of attitude and respect for older players, then their level of success is going to be hampered.
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The coaches have to install that culture first though, then the players can police themselves once the coach has established it and the culture is ingrained. Bo's never properly installed that type of championship culture.

This should have been done in Bo's first year, but we're talking about it in year 6 going on 7.

 
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