Eichorst statement on Bo

[Saunders]

There was a 500 and two sub 500 seasons in there. We can quibble about how bad bad can be I guess but three plus losses every year since 2001 when it used to be unheard of was enough for the schools you mentioned and it should be here as well.

That's a false equivalency.

9-4,10-4, 10-4, 9-4, 10-4, 9-4 is not even close to the same as 6-6, 5-5-1, 3-8, 4-8, 5-6.

 

[Saunders]

Right, which is why I get so persnickety when the "Bo resurrected this program from the ashes" line gets trotted out.

You get all frothy whenever someone doesn't want him immediately fired, so maybe we should find a different metric.

 

[NUpolo8]

Right, which is why I get so persnickety when the "Bo resurrected this program from the ashes" line gets trotted out.

You get all frothy whenever someone doesn't want him immediately fired, so maybe we should find a different metric.

No.
You can be a fan of Bo mind want him here. I am not a fans of the depths muddy of truths people scrape up to defend him.

 

[NUpolo8]

There was a 500 and two sub 500 seasons in there. We can quibble about how bad bad can be I guess but three plus losses every year since 2001 when it used to be unheard of was enough for the schools you mentioned and it should be here as well.

That's a false equivalency.
9-4,10-4, 10-4, 9-4, 10-4, 9-4 is not even close to the same as 6-6, 5-5-1, 3-8, 4-8, 5-6.

If that's OU they also were on probation. Nebraska isn't.

In USC's down years there was a gigantic Rose Bowl win and a few years they were ranked.

 

[Saunders]

Right, which is why I get so persnickety when the "Bo resurrected this program from the ashes" line gets trotted out.

You get all frothy whenever someone doesn't want him immediately fired, so maybe we should find a different metric.

No.
You can be a fan of Bo mind want him here. I am not a fans of the depths muddy of truths people scrape up to defend him.

wat

 

[Saunders]

There was a 500 and two sub 500 seasons in there. We can quibble about how bad bad can be I guess but three plus losses every year since 2001 when it used to be unheard of was enough for the schools you mentioned and it should be here as well.

That's a false equivalency.
9-4,10-4, 10-4, 9-4, 10-4, 9-4 is not even close to the same as 6-6, 5-5-1, 3-8, 4-8, 5-6.

If that's OU they also were on probation. Nebraska isn't.

In USC's down years there was a gigantic Rose Bowl win and a few years they were ranked.

None of those schools made coaching changes without very subpar seasons though. They averaged 6-7 losses (with below .500 seasons) the last 2 years before getting canned.

So, not sure what you're arguing.

 

[cg_8]

Oh gosh...

THIS AGAIN!

We were actually doing really well without this crap being muddled again. We honestly had about a week of freedom from this.

AND NOW, here we are again.

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT BO?!?!

"This isn't the same conversation though!"

Yes it is. SHUT UP...

 

[Count 'Bility]

Oh gosh...

THIS AGAIN!

We were actually doing really well without this crap being muddled again. We honestly had about a week of freedom from this.

AND NOW, here we are again.

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT BO?!?!

"This isn't the same conversation though!"

Yes it is. SHUT UP...

 

[NUinID]

Parallel ?

After Switzer ............... Gibbs(fired) - Schnellenberger(fired) - Blake(fired) - Stoops

After Osborne ............. Solich(fired) - Callahan(fired) - Pelini(fired?) - ?????

Fourth time's a charm ????

Except Black Blake had terrible teams. They had losing records when he was there, not 9-10 win seasons.

Actually Schnellenberger was not fired but quit. At the time, he was an alcoholic, drunk as a skunk.

To tell you the truth, I was kinda comfortable 7-6 Pelini's record without Bo's embarrassing antics, on and off the field.

I'm sorry but that is just not truthful, you just like most every other fan of Nebraska, me included, with be hitting the panic button very quickly and calling for BPs head if he had a 7-6 season this year.

 

[kchusker_chris]

wat

the "Callahan disbanded the walk-on program", or the "program was in shambles", etc.

I think Nebraska fans view the program's state in 2007 as much more dire than Bo Pelini and other coaches saw it. From a pure football standpoint, we weren't winning and he lost the team. That's not something insurmountable to an even mediocre coach. In fact, him losing the team might have sped things up for Bo because he wasn't fighting for 2-3 years the "cally guys" - that wanted their old coach back. Didn't have a mass exodus of transfers.

What fans saw however was a cultural shift in the program. A political mess. From the access, to the way he conducted things - it was different. And it wasn't all good for sure. But did taking down the photos of former players really negatively impact the team Bo coached in 08' and 09'? Because "alienating former players" is always included in every argument for why the program was in shambles and why Bo had it so tough - but if we're really honest about it, taking down some photos and not inviting Peters to a practice or two had zero impact on the 08' season.

That's why I think Callahan did more damage to the fan base, than he did to the actual football program - especially in regards to wins/losses. I'd say Bo's early success proves that.

 

[Count 'Bility]

wat

That's why I think Callahan did more damage to the fan base, than he did to the actual football program - especially in regards to wins/losses. I'd say Bo's early success proves that.

I think Callahan did to extensive damage to the program, and that Bo's early success is a result of him just being that damn good.

 

[kchusker_chris]

That's why I think Callahan did more damage to the fan base, than he did to the actual football program - especially in regards to wins/losses. I'd say Bo's early success proves that.

I think Callahan did to extensive damage to the program, and that Bo's early success is a result of him just being that damn good.

so he's so damn good that he can take a program in shambles and still win, but 6 years later he hasn't made it any farther along that "process"?

 

[kchusker_chris]

What damage - specifically - did Callahan do to the program that made Bo's job so difficult? I want your list.

 

[NUpolo8]

wat

That's why I think Callahan did more damage to the fan base, than he did to the actual football program - especially in regards to wins/losses. I'd say Bo's early success proves that.

I think Callahan did to extensive damage to the program, and that Bo's early success is a result of him just being that damn good.

So he just decided to regress and not keep the talent in stock as an extra challenge then?

 

[Landlord]

That's why I think Callahan did more damage to the fan base, than he did to the actual football program - especially in regards to wins/losses. I'd say Bo's early success proves that.

I think Callahan did to extensive damage to the program, and that Bo's early success is a result of him just being that damn good.

so he's so damn good that he can take a program in shambles and still win, but 6 years later he hasn't made it any farther along that "process"?

Is that so hard to theorize?

Bill Snyder is the best coach in world history as far as resurrecting programs, but at the end of the day how many meaningful accomplishments has he had? Something like one championship and one major bowl win ever?