kchusker_chris
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So a coach can plateau?
(and I'd argue Urban Meyer has him beat as far as resurrecting programs)
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Eichorst statement on Bo
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(and I'd argue Urban Meyer has him beat as far as resurrecting programs)
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sd'sker
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snyder started with nothing, built a program, and took it as far as it could go.
bo took over a program with plenty of talent, a few abysmal prior seasons, and great facilities getting even better on the way.
so that is a false equivalency.
Landlord
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Jesus Christ man.
I am not equating the two. I am making a fair comparison to illustrate how coaches can be exceptional at some areas and not at others.
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kchusker_chris
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You look at the state of the program Franklin inherited at Penn State w/ sanctions, or Kiffin inherited at USC w/ scholy reductions, or Dooley got at Tennessee after all the thugs Kiffin brought in walked away, or 3-9 roller coaster of a program Malzahn came into, or Meyer at Ohio State with the bowl ban, or Kelley taking over Weis's dumpster fire, or Golden getting in right after the Nevin scandle, or Fedora taking over for Butch Jone's and his clan of cheaters - and all of a sudden the job Pelini took over doesn't look that bad.
Those are all things that directly impact the ability for a program to recruit and win. We weren't on probation, there weren't any sanctions or bowl bans or losses of scholarships. We didn't have 20 scholarship transfers, or donor issues. The program wasn't in a poor position financially, the fans hadn't given up. The talent wasn't at a DII level. Cally wasn't good for the program, but in the grand scheme of things nothing he did was more than a small speedbump on the way to success. There was nothing lasting about the impact he had. You don't destroy a culture built over 4 decades in 4 years.
Pelini taking over a program in shambles is an exaggeration that lacks perspective in regards to the rest of college football.
Those are all things that directly impact the ability for a program to recruit and win. We weren't on probation, there weren't any sanctions or bowl bans or losses of scholarships. We didn't have 20 scholarship transfers, or donor issues. The program wasn't in a poor position financially, the fans hadn't given up. The talent wasn't at a DII level. Cally wasn't good for the program, but in the grand scheme of things nothing he did was more than a small speedbump on the way to success. There was nothing lasting about the impact he had. You don't destroy a culture built over 4 decades in 4 years.
Pelini taking over a program in shambles is an exaggeration that lacks perspective in regards to the rest of college football.
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jesus christ. One of the rips on Bo is the talent he inherited from Callahan. I suggest you notate the same asterisk for Urban Meyer and Malzahn. dagnabit. The double standards sometimes are just complete bs.
kchusker_chris
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no one was ripping on Pelini for the talent he inherited. your straw men are weak.
sd'sker
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There's a hell of a lot of people a lot more in the know than you'll ever be that would easily dispute this notion. This I can guarantee.
kchusker_chris
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Oh Boy! Insiders! Can't I meet them?
Are you saying the program is still in the dumpster from a cultural standpoint then? If it was "destroyed" as you say, what was 08',09',10'? Seems the fans came back together pretty damn quick. Or is that just because Bo is that damn good?
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kchusker_chris
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And they're still paying Weis 2 million a year. He had a negative impact on Notre Dame far in excess of what Callahan had. This isn't about wins/losses, that's not what we're talking about.