Eichorst statement on Bo

[sd'sker]

...because at the end of the day, most of the Bo supporters like QMany care little about anything else. As long as the 9 is there, that's good enough for them.

Once again, this fallacy. And husker fans wonder why people around the country think we're delusional or entitled.

The "explain it like I'm five" version: If you fire a coach who has never won less than 9 games, and has a clean program, you become toxic to new hires.

expecting to do what msu and wiscy do = delusional and entitled.

and who would not want to come here? great pay. great facilities. you can lose 4 games a year (with a favorable schedule), get blown out on national television regularly, you never have to win anything of significance, and you get to essentially tell the fans and media that you hate them (although, hope you do not mind signing off on press releases that vaguely resemble an apology). we are not stingy with our years, you can always have one more; as long as you are working on a process. also, make as many mistakes as you want, as those help justify your one more year. and do not worry about censoring yourself. if you think something is chickshit, well damnit, tell us.

 

[Count 'Bility]

but in no way was Nebraska play playing NC caliber defense during any of those seasons.

Aside from that Landlord, I was always under the impression that had Callahan been willing to make a move at DC, he may have been retained, but Callahan showed no desire to do so? Is this not the case? That loyalty thing....it can be good and bad some times.

1. Our defense was pretty damn good in 2006. It wasn't 2009 or 2010 good, but to call it championship-caliber defense (defining that as good enough to win championships) is reasonable and accurate.

We held a #4 ranked USC team to 28 points despite anemic offense, a #5 Texas team to 20 points, a #10 Oklahoma team to 21 points, and a #10 Auburn team to 17 points. That's good.

So just remember that nobody had any serious criticisms towards Cosgrove before the third game of the 2007 season. Who knows what would have happened if he fired Cosgrove, but I don't think it is the case that it would have changed anything. Callahan was fired based on his inability to turn around the second half of that season, according to the words of Tom Osborne. That wasn't going to change regardless of Cosgrove.

Callahan and Pedersen both were fired for as much of what went on off the field as for what went on on.

Solich, too.

But a championship season -- or just avoiding that 7 loss season -- might have saved everyone's job.

Would Bo have survived the Iowa loss if Kellogg's Hail Mary wasn't answered a few weeks earlier?

That's a fingertip margin of error right there.

My opinion is that it would not have mattered. He kept his job after everything anyway i just doubt a failed hail mary wouldve made a difference.

Unless of course it triggered the proverbial "wheels coming off" that we keep waiting for but never seems to happen.

 

[Saunders]

...because at the end of the day, most of the Bo supporters like QMany care little about anything else. As long as the 9 is there, that's good enough for them.

Once again, this fallacy. And husker fans wonder why people around the country think we're delusional or entitled.
The "explain it like I'm five" version: If you fire a coach who has never won less than 9 games, and has a clean program, you become toxic to new hires.

Prove that statement.

I've posted comments from various media and coaches about it. Use the search function.

This means he doesn't know or he can't.

Or, I don't need to spell out something that is known, and has been proven. Same reason you don't argue with someone who think the sun revolves around the earth, or thinks vaccines cause autism. It's not worth the effort.

 

[Saunders]

...because at the end of the day, most of the Bo supporters like QMany care little about anything else. As long as the 9 is there, that's good enough for them.

Once again, this fallacy. And husker fans wonder why people around the country think we're delusional or entitled.

The "explain it like I'm five" version: If you fire a coach who has never won less than 9 games, and has a clean program, you become toxic to new hires.

expecting to do what msu and wiscy do = delusional and entitled.

and who would not want to come here? great pay. great facilities. you can lose 4 games a year (with a favorable schedule), get blown out on national television regularly, you never have to win anything of significance, and you get to essentially tell the fans and media that you hate them (although, hope you do not mind signing off on press releases that vaguely resemble an apology). we are not stingy with our years, you can always have one more; as long as you are working on a process. also, make as many mistakes as you want, as those help justify your one more year. and do not worry about censoring yourself. if you think something is chickshit, well damnit, tell us.

Once again, please list the teams in the history of CFB that fired a 9+ win coach, who never won less than 70% of his games.

Here, I'll make it even easier.

Show me the ones who did it, and got better.

 

[HuskerNationNick]

Or there's a regent or two that remain very beholden to the desires of Tom Osborne, who is still widely on board for Bo staying.

Not trying to pick an argument, or call you out NU, but where does this rumor exactly come from? There is not a single report online, from a known source of any sort that even comes close to this. I don't think TO has anything to do with Bo being here, whether its his desires or him. In my opinion, this is the most ridiculous thing I see getting thrown around on this board.

Bo is here because he hasn't lost more than 4 games a year. He has had 3 10 win seasons, and never won less than 9. He has only had ONE incident that was completely uncalled for on TV, and that's the Iowa game. His tape, had that leaked out before the CCG debacle, we may have had a new coach, but maybe not. He also runs a very clean program. One portion of his game has improved with each year. Offense has gotten better each year, with the exception of 2013. Mostly because we lost our BIGGEST play maker, in TM. Defense got better for his first two years, declined because of the inability to recruit. Say what you want, but he had nothing to sell to those kids. You think Nebraska having nothing to show for the previous decade would be enough, keep smoking whatever it is that makes you think that. His recruiting is also improving each year, which is why we are seeing the improvements we are. Last year, we saw a much more improved defense towards the end of the year, leaving his bosses something to wonder about. When the improvement stops, that's when he will truly be on the hot seat.

I am also a firm believer that we could have had a MUCH better recruiting class last year, had the media and fans not hyped up and questioned Bo's future at Nebraska. You read interviews of these kids and their parents, their biggest concern was the job security of the coaches. Sure kids come to play for the University and wear their uniforms, but they are committing more to the coach than anything.

 

[True2tRA]

but in no way was Nebraska play playing NC caliber defense during any of those seasons.

Aside from that Landlord, I was always under the impression that had Callahan been willing to make a move at DC, he may have been retained, but Callahan showed no desire to do so? Is this not the case? That loyalty thing....it can be good and bad some times.

1. Our defense was pretty damn good in 2006. It wasn't 2009 or 2010 good, but to call it championship-caliber defense (defining that as good enough to win championships) is reasonable and accurate.

We held a #4 ranked USC team to 28 points despite anemic offense, a #5 Texas team to 20 points, a #10 Oklahoma team to 21 points, and a #10 Auburn team to 17 points. That's good.

So just remember that nobody had any serious criticisms towards Cosgrove before the third game of the 2007 season. Who knows what would have happened if he fired Cosgrove, but I don't think it is the case that it would have changed anything. Callahan was fired based on his inability to turn around the second half of that season, according to the words of Tom Osborne. That wasn't going to change regardless of Cosgrove.

Yep, we lost to USC 28-10. I guess holding them to 28 wasn't good enough huh. Umm....holding Texas to 20 would have resulted in a tie bud, we had 20, Texas had 22....damn, if only that Kevin Cosgrove National Championship Caliber defense had been able to hold them to 19.....derp, derp, derp...Oklahoma, he'll of a game. We held em to 21! Wow, too bad we scored 7! Geez you support your arguments don't you, no matter how dumb it sounds. All losses so far. Auburn, yep....we held them to 17......so we only lost that one 17-14.

I almost laughed out loud as I typed Kevin Cosgroves National Championship Caliber Defense. Probably the same NC caliber defense we had in 2011, 2012, and 2013......you know, when the offense scores 41 and the defense allows 38, it doesn't mean we played good defense, it just means we scored more points than them. When the offense can't score, games can become what they call a defensive battle. That's where two tough defenses will limit each others offenses. So is what you are saying is that Bill Callahans and Jay Norvells offenses were the problem?

 

[sd'sker]

...because at the end of the day, most of the Bo supporters like QMany care little about anything else. As long as the 9 is there, that's good enough for them.

Once again, this fallacy. And husker fans wonder why people around the country think we're delusional or entitled.

The "explain it like I'm five" version: If you fire a coach who has never won less than 9 games, and has a clean program, you become toxic to new hires.

expecting to do what msu and wiscy do = delusional and entitled.

and who would not want to come here? great pay. great facilities. you can lose 4 games a year (with a favorable schedule), get blown out on national television regularly, you never have to win anything of significance, and you get to essentially tell the fans and media that you hate them (although, hope you do not mind signing off on press releases that vaguely resemble an apology). we are not stingy with our years, you can always have one more; as long as you are working on a process. also, make as many mistakes as you want, as those help justify your one more year. and do not worry about censoring yourself. if you think something is chickshit, well damnit, tell us.

Once again, please list the teams in the history of CFB that fired a 9+ win coach, who never won less than 70% of his games.

Here, I'll make it even easier.

Show me the ones who did it, and got better.

huh? why? i am talking about our circumstances. i would not want to assert a false equivalency.

 

[HuskerNationNick]

Yep, we lost to USC 28-10. I guess holding them to 28 wasn't good enough huh. Umm....holding Texas to 20 would have resulted in a tie bud, we had 20, Texas had 22....damn, if only that Kevin Cosgrove National Championship Caliber defense had been able to hold them to 19.....derp, derp, derp...Oklahoma, he'll of a game. We held em to 21! Wow, too bad we scored 7! Geez you support your arguments don't you, no matter how dumb it sounds. All losses so far. Auburn, yep....we held them to 17......so we only lost that one 17-14.

I almost laughed out loud as I typed Kevin Cosgroves National Championship Caliber Defense. Probably the same NC caliber defense we had in 2011, 2012, and 2013......you know, when the offense scores 41 and the defense allows 38, it doesn't mean we played good defense, it just means we scored more points than them. When the offense can't score, games can become what they call a defensive battle. That's where two tough defenses will limit each others offenses. So is what you are saying is that Bill Callahans and Jay Norvells offenses were the problem?

Callahan's days is a grey figure in my mind, but I don't remember us having CLOSE to a national caliber defense. Not even a smidget. IIRC, that is why we lost almost all of our games, because of the lack of defense, and an average offense.

 

[Saunders]

...because at the end of the day, most of the Bo supporters like QMany care little about anything else. As long as the 9 is there, that's good enough for them.

Once again, this fallacy. And husker fans wonder why people around the country think we're delusional or entitled.

The "explain it like I'm five" version: If you fire a coach who has never won less than 9 games, and has a clean program, you become toxic to new hires.

expecting to do what msu and wiscy do = delusional and entitled.

and who would not want to come here? great pay. great facilities. you can lose 4 games a year (with a favorable schedule), get blown out on national television regularly, you never have to win anything of significance, and you get to essentially tell the fans and media that you hate them (although, hope you do not mind signing off on press releases that vaguely resemble an apology). we are not stingy with our years, you can always have one more; as long as you are working on a process. also, make as many mistakes as you want, as those help justify your one more year. and do not worry about censoring yourself. if you think something is chickshit, well damnit, tell us.

Once again, please list the teams in the history of CFB that fired a 9+ win coach, who never won less than 70% of his games.

Here, I'll make it even easier.

Show me the ones who did it, and got better.

huh? why? i am talking about our circumstances. i would not want to assert a false equivalency.

So was I. Then you brought up Wiscy and MSU, and changed the argument. All the other stuff you mentioned doesn't really matter. We aren't replacing Bo unless he falls on his face, because nobody will want the job.

 

[NUpolo8]

...because at the end of the day, most of the Bo supporters like QMany care little about anything else. As long as the 9 is there, that's good enough for them.

Once again, this fallacy. And husker fans wonder why people around the country think we're delusional or entitled.
The "explain it like I'm five" version: If you fire a coach who has never won less than 9 games, and has a clean program, you become toxic to new hires.

expecting to do what msu and wiscy do = delusional and entitled.
and who would not want to come here? great pay. great facilities. you can lose 4 games a year (with a favorable schedule), get blown out on national television regularly, you never have to win anything of significance, and you get to essentially tell the fans and media that you hate them (although, hope you do not mind signing off on press releases that vaguely resemble an apology). we are not stingy with our years, you can always have one more; as long as you are working on a process. also, make as many mistakes as you want, as those help justify your one more year. and do not worry about censoring yourself. if you think something is chickshit, well damnit, tell us.

Once again, please list the teams in the history of CFB that fired a 9+ win coach, who never won less than 70% of his games.
Here, I'll make it even easier.

Show me the ones who did it, and got better.

I would say Ohio st is better than they used to be.

 

[NUpolo8]

...because at the end of the day, most of the Bo supporters like QMany care little about anything else. As long as the 9 is there, that's good enough for them.

Once again, this fallacy. And husker fans wonder why people around the country think we're delusional or entitled.

The "explain it like I'm five" version: If you fire a coach who has never won less than 9 games, and has a clean program, you become toxic to new hires.

expecting to do what msu and wiscy do = delusional and entitled.

and who would not want to come here? great pay. great facilities. you can lose 4 games a year (with a favorable schedule), get blown out on national television regularly, you never have to win anything of significance, and you get to essentially tell the fans and media that you hate them (although, hope you do not mind signing off on press releases that vaguely resemble an apology). we are not stingy with our years, you can always have one more; as long as you are working on a process. also, make as many mistakes as you want, as those help justify your one more year. and do not worry about censoring yourself. if you think something is chickshit, well damnit, tell us.

Once again, please list the teams in the history of CFB that fired a 9+ win coach, who never won less than 70% of his games.

Here, I'll make it even easier.

Show me the ones who did it, and got better.

huh? why? i am talking about our circumstances. i would not want to assert a false equivalency.

So was I. Then you brought up Wiscy and MSU, and changed the argument. All the other stuff you mentioned doesn't really matter. We aren't replacing Bo unless he falls on his face, because nobody will want the job.

Completely unknowable.

 

[True2tRA]

but in no way was Nebraska play playing NC caliber defense during any of those seasons.

Aside from that Landlord, I was always under the impression that had Callahan been willing to make a move at DC, he may have been retained, but Callahan showed no desire to do so? Is this not the case? That loyalty thing....it can be good and bad some times.

1. Our defense was pretty damn good in 2006. It wasn't 2009 or 2010 good, but to call it championship-caliber defense (defining that as good enough to win championships) is reasonable and accurate.

We held a #4 ranked USC team to 28 points despite anemic offense, a #5 Texas team to 20 points, a #10 Oklahoma team to 21 points, and a #10 Auburn team to 17 points. That's good.

So just remember that nobody had any serious criticisms towards Cosgrove before the third game of the 2007 season. Who knows what would have happened if he fired Cosgrove, but I don't think it is the case that it would have changed anything. Callahan was fired based on his inability to turn around the second half of that season, according to the words of Tom Osborne. That wasn't going to change regardless of Cosgrove.

Callahan and Pedersen both were fired for as much of what went on off the field as for what went on on.

Solich, too.

But a championship season -- or just avoiding that 7 loss season -- might have saved everyone's job.

Would Bo have survived the Iowa loss if Kellogg's Hail Mary wasn't answered a few weeks earlier?

That's a fingertip margin of error right there.

He may have survived, even with a loss there. Those were trying times I assure you. I'm sure wheels were in motion. If not, the Iowa circus had to have been enough. In what walk of life wouldn't it have been?

I have to believe the feelers were put out, names were circulated, calls were made and chances were weighed.....in the end the man running this program currently, felt we could not do better at this time.

The last thing you do is fire a coach who wins 9 a year, then hire a guy to win you 8. It's got to be a #BOOM if/when it happens.

Regardless of your feelings about Bo, we are trying to improve, not take a step back. There's a lot at stake and knee jerk reactions are for amateurs, like myself. If anything, we have learned that Eichorst does not rush to judgement and won't have his hand forced. Even when the media was crying, "he has to say something, why isn't he saying something? Why is this happening to us?!".

 

[True2tRA]

Yep, we lost to USC 28-10. I guess holding them to 28 wasn't good enough huh. Umm....holding Texas to 20 would have resulted in a tie bud, we had 20, Texas had 22....damn, if only that Kevin Cosgrove National Championship Caliber defense had been able to hold them to 19.....derp, derp, derp...Oklahoma, he'll of a game. We held em to 21! Wow, too bad we scored 7! Geez you support your arguments don't you, no matter how dumb it sounds. All losses so far. Auburn, yep....we held them to 17......so we only lost that one 17-14.

I almost laughed out loud as I typed Kevin Cosgroves National Championship Caliber Defense. Probably the same NC caliber defense we had in 2011, 2012, and 2013......you know, when the offense scores 41 and the defense allows 38, it doesn't mean we played good defense, it just means we scored more points than them. When the offense can't score, games can become what they call a defensive battle. That's where two tough defenses will limit each others offenses. So is what you are saying is that Bill Callahans and Jay Norvells offenses were the problem?

Callahan's days is a grey figure in my mind, but I don't remember us having CLOSE to a national caliber defense. Not even a smidget. IIRC, that is why we lost almost all of our games, because of the lack of defense, and an average offense.

Me too man, but apparently most of us here will say almost anything as long as it supports our opinion. I know I will.

 

[True2tRA]

but in no way was Nebraska play playing NC caliber defense during any of those seasons.

Aside from that Landlord, I was always under the impression that had Callahan been willing to make a move at DC, he may have been retained, but Callahan showed no desire to do so? Is this not the case? That loyalty thing....it can be good and bad some times.

1. Our defense was pretty damn good in 2006. It wasn't 2009 or 2010 good, but to call it championship-caliber defense (defining that as good enough to win championships) is reasonable and accurate.

We held a #4 ranked USC team to 28 points despite anemic offense, a #5 Texas team to 20 points, a #10 Oklahoma team to 21 points, and a #10 Auburn team to 17 points. That's good.

So just remember that nobody had any serious criticisms towards Cosgrove before the third game of the 2007 season. Who knows what would have happened if he fired Cosgrove, but I don't think it is the case that it would have changed anything. Callahan was fired based on his inability to turn around the second half of that season, according to the words of Tom Osborne. That wasn't going to change regardless of Cosgrove.

Callahan and Pedersen both were fired for as much of what went on off the field as for what went on on.

Enlighten me. I truly don't know what you're speaking of. Not being a smartass, I really don't know. What did they do that was worse than the things Bo has done? Specifically, the audio tape where he told the Nebraska fans to " (can't use Bo's language on Huskerboard) themselves".

 

[sd'sker]

So was I. Then you brought up Wiscy and MSU, and changed the argument. All the other stuff you mentioned doesn't really matter. We aren't replacing Bo unless he falls on his face, because nobody will want the job.

how was the argument changed? that makes no sense. wiscy and msu were brought up as an example of our expectations being reasonable and not delusional. you have been insistent on someone providing a program that fired a 9+ win coach who has won more than 70% of his games long before i mentioned msu and wiscy.

but nonetheless you assert something that is non-demonstrable and rather ridiculous.