HuskerShark
Banned
The best way to stop an offense is to get in the backfield before the play starts. This new attacking scheme will improve that.
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Dr. Strangelove
All-Conference
The see-ball, less thinking, more just doing 'attacking' scheme sounds great on paper until teams hit you deep with a play action pass.
Correct- real coaches understand that
Also
When DL players don't engage at all- that allows Olinemen to get to second level unscathed and crush your LBs
This isn't YMCA football where you just come up field as fast as you can to make plays in front of mom and dad. YMCA OCs don't know how to address that, all college coaches do
Zone teams will crush that- so will teams that trap/ wham and screen
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Cosgroves defenses had a lot of negative yardage plays
Often at the top of the conference, several times near the top nationally
How did that work out for him?
Defense is far more complex than most people comprehend
knapplc
International Man of Mystery
Every defense has its weakness. The weakness for Bo's defense was stopping the run. It was deadly against the pass. Unfortunately we're not in a pass-first conference, the B1G is run-based.
The weakness of Banker's defense is against the pass. Your DBs are on an island more often than not, stressing them heavily. But that also stresses the opponent's QB to get ball out accurately, which is FAR better in this league than locking down the defensive secondary at the expense of controlling the line of scrimmage.
Bo's defense was great against the Big XII. They passed more than they ran and we saw how well he could shut down even good passing offenses. But in this league we saw how awful it was against teams that can rush well.
Hell, SDSU ran well against Bo's scheme. Twice.
If I never see our D Line "occupying" offensive linemen again, I'll be happy. That had me cursing at the TV from day one.
The weakness of Banker's defense is against the pass. Your DBs are on an island more often than not, stressing them heavily. But that also stresses the opponent's QB to get ball out accurately, which is FAR better in this league than locking down the defensive secondary at the expense of controlling the line of scrimmage.
Bo's defense was great against the Big XII. They passed more than they ran and we saw how well he could shut down even good passing offenses. But in this league we saw how awful it was against teams that can rush well.
Hell, SDSU ran well against Bo's scheme. Twice.
If I never see our D Line "occupying" offensive linemen again, I'll be happy. That had me cursing at the TV from day one.
knapplc
International Man of Mystery
There is a HUGE difference between 1) occupying 2) what most good defensive teams do and 3) just aggressively penetrating upfield aka YMCA football which is what most YMCA sofa coaches suggest
There are Reads involved based on the initial footwork of the key
One can penetrate and squeeze while still getting a hand on the hip of the down or combo blocker to take him off his path
Same for the player going directly to second level
That's why so FEW defensive linemen start as Freshman
You cant just play as a beast- zone will just allow the offense to use that momentum against you- that's one of the main reasons zone was invented in the first place- as will trap/wham, draw and screen game
IF D line play was just about penetrating upfield and making tackles- there would be little need to practice for 2 plus hours every day or pay coaches hundreds of thousands of $$ to coach the position.
But watching it on TV with little to none technical commentary from the announcers- where all they seem to be interested in is the human drama stories, pans of the crowd and cheerleaders shaking pom poms- I get where that all comes from.
It isn't like the only choices are between a Thad Randle patty cake eat up blockers and a full speed gap penetrating rush
MUCH more to it than that- many other options
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BigRedBuster
International Man of Mystery
AMEN!!!!
Control the attack at the LOS by stopping the run and putting pressure on the QB. If he beats us with the pass, he will have to get it out quickly, accurately, the WR will have to run a good rout and beat our DB and then ultimately make the catch. I'd rather gamble on that not being able to happen more times than not.
swmohusker
All-Conference
If our LB are not reading the offense then God help us all. Any defense you use you are required to read the offense. Even when you are blitzing you have to read your gap. Maybe the keys they read will be simplified or the responsibilities of the LBs will be shrunken down but they are still going to be asked to take their read steps, read the play, and play their responsibility.SouthLincoln Husker said:
Count 'Bility
Banned
My god. Did i read what i just read?
Obviously were not just gonna sit in cover 2 and shoot gaps all day. Good god.
And yes. Were gonna give up some big plays here and there. Even our vaunted 90s defenses did that. And it was pretty damn often too. But so many refuse to remember that. But its what you do in between or what you sacrafice to stop the big plays that makes or breaks your hay.
Obviously were not just gonna sit in cover 2 and shoot gaps all day. Good god.
And yes. Were gonna give up some big plays here and there. Even our vaunted 90s defenses did that. And it was pretty damn often too. But so many refuse to remember that. But its what you do in between or what you sacrafice to stop the big plays that makes or breaks your hay.
