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[It'sNotAFakeID]

I don't want to turn into Minnesota. The Golden Gophers were titans of college football in the 1930s & won a national championship as recently as 1960. They dropped off a cliff after that and have only recently become a contender in their own conference again.

I concur, and this was my original concern when you fire not one but two coaches who win over 70 percent of their games.

Neither Solich nor Pelini were going to get us where we want to be. Callahan wasn't an improvement over Solich (when you factor in Cosgrove), and it remains to be seen if Riley is an improvement over Pelini.
Nobody is beating down Frank's door to get him back to coaching a Power 5 school, though. It'll be interesting to see if anyone wants Pelini in years to come.

The problem is not firing coaches, but hiring coaches. Callahan was fired from the Raiders for running the team into the ground. Riley is a career mediocre coach. At least Bo was an up and coming DC, but NU has cash; get a top coach and a top staff.

I'm still concerned about the staff Riley put together. Especially on defense. Banker's defenses didn't impress at OSU, and so far they aren't better here. Three games is a terrible sample size, but there are some concerns, especially how the secondary suddenly seems inept when they were... "not inept" before. Davie didn't suddenly turn into a merde cover guy, neither did Kalu. Not sure what to make of that, but it's scheme-related, definitely.
I agree with the issue of hiring. Callahan was always a mistake, from Day 1 just about everyone knew it would end badly. Riley carries his own baggage, but seems more a "Nebraska Guy" than anyone since Solich. Does he have a run left in him at this stage of his career? A lot of that depends, I believe, on how married he is to his Assistants. If something isn't working, he's got to be ready to pull the trigger. Callahan wouldn't with Cosgrove, and it got him run out of town. Same's going to happen with Riley if his guys aren't cutting it and he won't make changes.

As if he cares? NU stepped up and guaranteed him a golden parachute/retirement fund that OSU would never have offered. Hell they couldn't even afford the buyout to fire him. NU paid it and then offered him more. He turns around and grabs the guys OSU also wanted fired and guarantees them a retirement package. Does anyone really believe he's planning to stay past 5 years? So what sort of pressure is going to make him rollover on his best bud Banker? Harvey and the GingerKid are probably already writing up new pay raises with buyouts that would make Jerry Jones have a stroke. Best to just buckle up...gonna be a bumpy ride.

Just let it all out.

Just don't understand it. Trying real hard to be patient with the guy, but damn. I mean, situation : You're on the verge of being run outta town by the school you've dedicated a good chunk of your life to despite the lack of resources they provide. Only reason he's still there is because OSU doesn't think they can sell 3 million cupcakes at the campus bake sale to buy yer a$$ out. Along comes NU, tongue wagging and checkbook out, and says you're the guy, we got all the best toys, here's a blank check, just take us to the good times. So what do you do? You go drag all the guys who got you into that S#!T storm in the first place. Brilliant. Oh but he's "comfortable" with Banker and Cavanaugh, he can trust them. To do what? F^6k sh#t up and keep the hate focused on them rather than a "nice guy" like you? That's like chicks who hang around with fat girls to make themselves look hotter.
I'm just not seeing or feeling it right now. Looking at the schedule I can envision us never seeing the other side of .500 all season. And I'm out of #@!*&$@ beer!!!

It's game THREE! That's about 20 games too few to make any sort of confident qualitative and quantitative judgment on the hire.

Hey you said let it out. Don't offer a shoulder to cry on then complain about the snot getting on your shirt.

if only I could remember Bo's first three games.... Or better yet his record through his first 20. Looking a lot better than Riley right now.

Huh? Bo's first 3 games came against eh hem Western Michigan, San Jose State, and New Mexico State. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure all 3 of those teams would be maybe a 3 point favorite against South Alabama and certainly none of them would even get close to BYU and Miami.

It's easier to install and implement a system when you're facing teams that can't hang with you athletically and/or fundamentally.

Well, Pelini beat Miami one short season ago.

There was a guy by the name of Ameer Abdullah that played more a role in Nebraska beating Miami than Pelini. Also, Pelini wasn't trying to implement an ENTIRELY system in Year 7. That makes a big difference. Those things just don't happen overnight.

 

[Elf]

I don't want to turn into Minnesota. The Golden Gophers were titans of college football in the 1930s & won a national championship as recently as 1960. They dropped off a cliff after that and have only recently become a contender in their own conference again.

I concur, and this was my original concern when you fire not one but two coaches who win over 70 percent of their games.

Neither Solich nor Pelini were going to get us where we want to be. Callahan wasn't an improvement over Solich (when you factor in Cosgrove), and it remains to be seen if Riley is an improvement over Pelini.
Nobody is beating down Frank's door to get him back to coaching a Power 5 school, though. It'll be interesting to see if anyone wants Pelini in years to come.

The problem is not firing coaches, but hiring coaches. Callahan was fired from the Raiders for running the team into the ground. Riley is a career mediocre coach. At least Bo was an up and coming DC, but NU has cash; get a top coach and a top staff.

I'm still concerned about the staff Riley put together. Especially on defense. Banker's defenses didn't impress at OSU, and so far they aren't better here. Three games is a terrible sample size, but there are some concerns, especially how the secondary suddenly seems inept when they were... "not inept" before. Davie didn't suddenly turn into a merde cover guy, neither did Kalu. Not sure what to make of that, but it's scheme-related, definitely.
I agree with the issue of hiring. Callahan was always a mistake, from Day 1 just about everyone knew it would end badly. Riley carries his own baggage, but seems more a "Nebraska Guy" than anyone since Solich. Does he have a run left in him at this stage of his career? A lot of that depends, I believe, on how married he is to his Assistants. If something isn't working, he's got to be ready to pull the trigger. Callahan wouldn't with Cosgrove, and it got him run out of town. Same's going to happen with Riley if his guys aren't cutting it and he won't make changes.

As if he cares? NU stepped up and guaranteed him a golden parachute/retirement fund that OSU would never have offered. Hell they couldn't even afford the buyout to fire him. NU paid it and then offered him more. He turns around and grabs the guys OSU also wanted fired and guarantees them a retirement package. Does anyone really believe he's planning to stay past 5 years? So what sort of pressure is going to make him rollover on his best bud Banker? Harvey and the GingerKid are probably already writing up new pay raises with buyouts that would make Jerry Jones have a stroke. Best to just buckle up...gonna be a bumpy ride.

Just let it all out.

Just don't understand it. Trying real hard to be patient with the guy, but damn. I mean, situation : You're on the verge of being run outta town by the school you've dedicated a good chunk of your life to despite the lack of resources they provide. Only reason he's still there is because OSU doesn't think they can sell 3 million cupcakes at the campus bake sale to buy yer a$$ out. Along comes NU, tongue wagging and checkbook out, and says you're the guy, we got all the best toys, here's a blank check, just take us to the good times. So what do you do? You go drag all the guys who got you into that S#!T storm in the first place. Brilliant. Oh but he's "comfortable" with Banker and Cavanaugh, he can trust them. To do what? F^6k sh#t up and keep the hate focused on them rather than a "nice guy" like you? That's like chicks who hang around with fat girls to make themselves look hotter.
I'm just not seeing or feeling it right now. Looking at the schedule I can envision us never seeing the other side of .500 all season. And I'm out of #@!*&$@ beer!!!

It's game THREE! That's about 20 games too few to make any sort of confident qualitative and quantitative judgment on the hire.

Hey you said let it out. Don't offer a shoulder to cry on then complain about the snot getting on your shirt.

if only I could remember Bo's first three games.... Or better yet his record through his first 20. Looking a lot better than Riley right now.

Huh? Bo's first 3 games came against eh hem Western Michigan, San Jose State, and New Mexico State. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure all 3 of those teams would be maybe a 3 point favorite against South Alabama and certainly none of them would even get close to BYU and Miami.

It's easier to install and implement a system when you're facing teams that can't hang with you athletically and/or fundamentally.

Well, Pelini beat Miami one short season ago.

Pelini beat Miami in Lincoln. Riley just lost in Miami. These are exactly the results I expected when the home/home deal with the 'Canes was announced.

 

[TheSker]

Bo's first two losses were both at home by a combined 40 points. It took him five games. If Riley wins his next two they'll have the same record, but Riley won't have any blowouts. Starting with barer cupboards than Bo had, I'd say overall that's an improvement.

Expectations are vastly different between what Pelini took over and what Riley has taken over. Callahan v.2 may end up proving Pelini the better developer of talent......even though that's the reputation Callahan v.2 brought to the table.

 

[TheSker]

I don't want to turn into Minnesota. The Golden Gophers were titans of college football in the 1930s & won a national championship as recently as 1960. They dropped off a cliff after that and have only recently become a contender in their own conference again.

I concur, and this was my original concern when you fire not one but two coaches who win over 70 percent of their games.

Neither Solich nor Pelini were going to get us where we want to be. Callahan wasn't an improvement over Solich (when you factor in Cosgrove), and it remains to be seen if Riley is an improvement over Pelini.
Nobody is beating down Frank's door to get him back to coaching a Power 5 school, though. It'll be interesting to see if anyone wants Pelini in years to come.

The problem is not firing coaches, but hiring coaches. Callahan was fired from the Raiders for running the team into the ground. Riley is a career mediocre coach. At least Bo was an up and coming DC, but NU has cash; get a top coach and a top staff.

I'm still concerned about the staff Riley put together. Especially on defense. Banker's defenses didn't impress at OSU, and so far they aren't better here. Three games is a terrible sample size, but there are some concerns, especially how the secondary suddenly seems inept when they were... "not inept" before. Davie didn't suddenly turn into a merde cover guy, neither did Kalu. Not sure what to make of that, but it's scheme-related, definitely.
I agree with the issue of hiring. Callahan was always a mistake, from Day 1 just about everyone knew it would end badly. Riley carries his own baggage, but seems more a "Nebraska Guy" than anyone since Solich. Does he have a run left in him at this stage of his career? A lot of that depends, I believe, on how married he is to his Assistants. If something isn't working, he's got to be ready to pull the trigger. Callahan wouldn't with Cosgrove, and it got him run out of town. Same's going to happen with Riley if his guys aren't cutting it and he won't make changes.

As if he cares? NU stepped up and guaranteed him a golden parachute/retirement fund that OSU would never have offered. Hell they couldn't even afford the buyout to fire him. NU paid it and then offered him more. He turns around and grabs the guys OSU also wanted fired and guarantees them a retirement package. Does anyone really believe he's planning to stay past 5 years? So what sort of pressure is going to make him rollover on his best bud Banker? Harvey and the GingerKid are probably already writing up new pay raises with buyouts that would make Jerry Jones have a stroke. Best to just buckle up...gonna be a bumpy ride.

Just let it all out.

Just don't understand it. Trying real hard to be patient with the guy, but damn. I mean, situation : You're on the verge of being run outta town by the school you've dedicated a good chunk of your life to despite the lack of resources they provide. Only reason he's still there is because OSU doesn't think they can sell 3 million cupcakes at the campus bake sale to buy yer a$$ out. Along comes NU, tongue wagging and checkbook out, and says you're the guy, we got all the best toys, here's a blank check, just take us to the good times. So what do you do? You go drag all the guys who got you into that S#!T storm in the first place. Brilliant. Oh but he's "comfortable" with Banker and Cavanaugh, he can trust them. To do what? F^6k sh#t up and keep the hate focused on them rather than a "nice guy" like you? That's like chicks who hang around with fat girls to make themselves look hotter.
I'm just not seeing or feeling it right now. Looking at the schedule I can envision us never seeing the other side of .500 all season. And I'm out of #@!*&$@ beer!!!

It's game THREE! That's about 20 games too few to make any sort of confident qualitative and quantitative judgment on the hire.

Hey you said let it out. Don't offer a shoulder to cry on then complain about the snot getting on your shirt.

if only I could remember Bo's first three games.... Or better yet his record through his first 20. Looking a lot better than Riley right now.

Huh? Bo's first 3 games came against eh hem Western Michigan, San Jose State, and New Mexico State. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure all 3 of those teams would be maybe a 3 point favorite against South Alabama and certainly none of them would even get close to BYU and Miami.

It's easier to install and implement a system when you're facing teams that can't hang with you athletically and/or fundamentally.

Well, Pelini beat Miami one short season ago.

There was a guy by the name of Ameer Abdullah that played more a role in Nebraska beating Miami than Pelini. Also, Pelini wasn't trying to implement an ENTIRELY system in Year 7. That makes a big difference. Those things just don't happen overnight.

I care as much about the whole "system" debate as Urban Meyer does.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Bo's first two losses were both at home by a combined 40 points. It took him five games. If Riley wins his next two they'll have the same record, but Riley won't have any blowouts. Starting with barer cupboards than Bo had, I'd say overall that's an improvement.

Expectations are vastly different between what Pelini took over and what Riley has taken over. Callahan v.2 may end up proving Pelini the better developer of talent......even though that's the reputation Callahan v.2 brought to the table.

Whose expectations are we talking about here, and what are/were these expectations?

 

[Elf]

Armstrong is looking better and better. Finally found someone to catch the ball. TooLtooL.

21-45 with 3 picks is a terrible day despite 4 TDs

How many dropped balls? If I'm the receivers coach I'm telling them they better start hanging onto the ball or I'll find men who can.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

I don't want to turn into Minnesota. The Golden Gophers were titans of college football in the 1930s & won a national championship as recently as 1960. They dropped off a cliff after that and have only recently become a contender in their own conference again.

I concur, and this was my original concern when you fire not one but two coaches who win over 70 percent of their games.

Neither Solich nor Pelini were going to get us where we want to be. Callahan wasn't an improvement over Solich (when you factor in Cosgrove), and it remains to be seen if Riley is an improvement over Pelini.
Nobody is beating down Frank's door to get him back to coaching a Power 5 school, though. It'll be interesting to see if anyone wants Pelini in years to come.

The problem is not firing coaches, but hiring coaches. Callahan was fired from the Raiders for running the team into the ground. Riley is a career mediocre coach. At least Bo was an up and coming DC, but NU has cash; get a top coach and a top staff.

I'm still concerned about the staff Riley put together. Especially on defense. Banker's defenses didn't impress at OSU, and so far they aren't better here. Three games is a terrible sample size, but there are some concerns, especially how the secondary suddenly seems inept when they were... "not inept" before. Davie didn't suddenly turn into a merde cover guy, neither did Kalu. Not sure what to make of that, but it's scheme-related, definitely.
I agree with the issue of hiring. Callahan was always a mistake, from Day 1 just about everyone knew it would end badly. Riley carries his own baggage, but seems more a "Nebraska Guy" than anyone since Solich. Does he have a run left in him at this stage of his career? A lot of that depends, I believe, on how married he is to his Assistants. If something isn't working, he's got to be ready to pull the trigger. Callahan wouldn't with Cosgrove, and it got him run out of town. Same's going to happen with Riley if his guys aren't cutting it and he won't make changes.

As if he cares? NU stepped up and guaranteed him a golden parachute/retirement fund that OSU would never have offered. Hell they couldn't even afford the buyout to fire him. NU paid it and then offered him more. He turns around and grabs the guys OSU also wanted fired and guarantees them a retirement package. Does anyone really believe he's planning to stay past 5 years? So what sort of pressure is going to make him rollover on his best bud Banker? Harvey and the GingerKid are probably already writing up new pay raises with buyouts that would make Jerry Jones have a stroke. Best to just buckle up...gonna be a bumpy ride.

Just let it all out.

Just don't understand it. Trying real hard to be patient with the guy, but damn. I mean, situation : You're on the verge of being run outta town by the school you've dedicated a good chunk of your life to despite the lack of resources they provide. Only reason he's still there is because OSU doesn't think they can sell 3 million cupcakes at the campus bake sale to buy yer a$$ out. Along comes NU, tongue wagging and checkbook out, and says you're the guy, we got all the best toys, here's a blank check, just take us to the good times. So what do you do? You go drag all the guys who got you into that S#!T storm in the first place. Brilliant. Oh but he's "comfortable" with Banker and Cavanaugh, he can trust them. To do what? F^6k sh#t up and keep the hate focused on them rather than a "nice guy" like you? That's like chicks who hang around with fat girls to make themselves look hotter.
I'm just not seeing or feeling it right now. Looking at the schedule I can envision us never seeing the other side of .500 all season. And I'm out of #@!*&$@ beer!!!

It's game THREE! That's about 20 games too few to make any sort of confident qualitative and quantitative judgment on the hire.

Hey you said let it out. Don't offer a shoulder to cry on then complain about the snot getting on your shirt.

if only I could remember Bo's first three games.... Or better yet his record through his first 20. Looking a lot better than Riley right now.

Huh? Bo's first 3 games came against eh hem Western Michigan, San Jose State, and New Mexico State. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure all 3 of those teams would be maybe a 3 point favorite against South Alabama and certainly none of them would even get close to BYU and Miami.

It's easier to install and implement a system when you're facing teams that can't hang with you athletically and/or fundamentally.

Well, Pelini beat Miami one short season ago.

There was a guy by the name of Ameer Abdullah that played more a role in Nebraska beating Miami than Pelini. Also, Pelini wasn't trying to implement an ENTIRELY system in Year 7. That makes a big difference. Those things just don't happen overnight.

I care as much about the whole "system" debate as Urban Meyer does.

Okay? Just because Urban Meyer might not "care" about it, doesn't mean there's not an effect of it, nor does it mean that Urban doesn't believe that it's more difficult to win in a year you're establishing a new system than when you've been at a place for an extended time period.

 

[hskrfan4life]

Bo Pelini

2008

Western Michigan W 47-24 (Western Michigan 2008 record - 9-4, Played one ranked team in Ball State and lost)

San Jose St W 35-12 (6-6, played #12 Boise State and lost)

New Mexico St W 38-7 (3-9, played one ranked team #11 Boise St)

Virginia Tech L 30-35 (10-4)

#4 Missouri L 17-52

@ #7 Texas Tech L 31-37 (OT)

@ Iowa St W 35-7

Baylor W 32-20

@ #4 Oklahoma L 28-62

Kansas W 45-35

@ Kansas St W 56-28

Colorado W 40-31

*Clemson W 26-21

2009

Florida Atlantic W 49-3 (5-7)

Arkansas St W 38-9 (6-6)

@ Virginia Tech L 15-16 (10-4)

Louisiana-Lafayette W 55-0 (6-6)

@ Missouri W 27-21

Texas Tech L 10-31

Iowa State L 7-9

Do with this what you please.

Included records of non-con.

Think Riley has played better competition.

 

[Highway6]

if only I could remember Bo's first three games.... Or better yet his record through his first 20. Looking a lot better than Riley right now.

Bo beat the snot out of his first three opponents. 3-0 FTW.Western Michigan 47-24San Jose State 35-12New Mexico State 38-7Good thing Virginia Tech wasn't until game 4 that year.

when was the last time we started the season 1-2 Fredrick?

 

[Elf]

Bo's first two losses were both at home by a combined 40 points. It took him five games. If Riley wins his next two they'll have the same record, but Riley won't have any blowouts. Starting with barer cupboards than Bo had, I'd say overall that's an improvement.

Expectations are vastly different between what Pelini took over and what Riley has taken over. Callahan v.2 may end up proving Pelini the better developer of talent......even though that's the reputation Callahan v.2 brought to the table.

After 3 games Riley is Callahan v.2?

I am so glad I don't have the defeatist attiude that some of you display on an almost constant basis. Riley and Co. may or may not pan out, that remains to be seen but I just don't have the kind of energy it takes to be this negative this early in Riley's tenure at Nebraska.

 

[zoogs]

I don't know. We typically play a lot of Directional States in the first three games.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Bo Pelini

2008

Western Michigan W 47-24 (Western Michigan 2008 record - 9-4, Played one ranked team in Ball State and lost)

San Jose St W 35-12 (6-6, played #12 Boise State and lost)

New Mexico St W 38-7 (3-9, played one ranked team #11 Boise St)

Virginia Tech L 30-35 (10-4)

#4 Missouri L 17-52

@ #7 Texas Tech L 31-37 (OT)

@ Iowa St W 35-7

Baylor W 32-20

@ #4 Oklahoma L 28-62

Kansas W 45-35

@ Kansas St W 56-28

Colorado W 40-31

*Clemson W 26-21

2009

Florida Atlantic W 49-3 (5-7)

Arkansas St W 38-9 (6-6)

@ Virginia Tech L 15-16 (10-4)

Louisiana-Lafayette W 55-0 (6-6)

@ Missouri W 27-21

Texas Tech L 10-31

Iowa State L 7-9

Do with this what you please.

Included records of non-con.

Think Riley has played better competition.

He certainly hasn't lost to worse competition.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

if only I could remember Bo's first three games.... Or better yet his record through his first 20. Looking a lot better than Riley right now.

Bo beat the snot out of his first three opponents. 3-0 FTW.Western Michigan 47-24San Jose State 35-12New Mexico State 38-7Good thing Virginia Tech wasn't until game 4 that year.

when was the last time we started the season 1-2 Fredrick?

When was the last time we opened a year playing a schedule similar to <Ranked Team> <Cupcake> <Ranked Team>, Felicia?

 

[hskrfan4life]

Bo Pelini

2008

Western Michigan W 47-24 (Western Michigan 2008 record - 9-4, Played one ranked team in Ball State and lost)

San Jose St W 35-12 (6-6, played #12 Boise State and lost)

New Mexico St W 38-7 (3-9, played one ranked team #11 Boise St)

Virginia Tech L 30-35 (10-4)

#4 Missouri L 17-52

@ #7 Texas Tech L 31-37 (OT)

@ Iowa St W 35-7

Baylor W 32-20

@ #4 Oklahoma L 28-62

Kansas W 45-35

@ Kansas St W 56-28

Colorado W 40-31

*Clemson W 26-21

2009

Florida Atlantic W 49-3 (5-7)

Arkansas St W 38-9 (6-6)

@ Virginia Tech L 15-16 (10-4)

Louisiana-Lafayette W 55-0 (6-6)

@ Missouri W 27-21

Texas Tech L 10-31

Iowa State L 7-9

Do with this what you please.

Included records of non-con.

Think Riley has played better competition.

He certainly hasn't lost to worse competition.

#IowaStateTurnovers

 

[TheSker]

Bo's first two losses were both at home by a combined 40 points. It took him five games. If Riley wins his next two they'll have the same record, but Riley won't have any blowouts. Starting with barer cupboards than Bo had, I'd say overall that's an improvement.

Expectations are vastly different between what Pelini took over and what Riley has taken over. Callahan v.2 may end up proving Pelini the better developer of talent......even though that's the reputation Callahan v.2 brought to the table.

Whose expectations are we talking about here, and what are/were these expectations?

Not rocket science.......Pelini could have gone .500 his first season and hardly an eyebrow would have raised. Replacing .700 with .500 can be a little rougher.