Epley's comments on Talent

[Guy Chamberlin]

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Thanks Mavric.

I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST.

The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly.

It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it.

But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period.

But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way.

Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds.

"Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy.

And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions.

Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years.

I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo.

Of course you don't.

Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot?

Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance?

Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game?

Remember Bo and the Cat?

How all of these somehow went viral?

These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own.

Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare.

Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program.

 

[GBRedneck]

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Thanks Mavric.

I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST.

The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly.

It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it.

But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period.

But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way.

Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds.

"Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy.

And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions.

Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years.

I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo.

Of course you don't.

Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot?

Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance?

Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game?

Remember Bo and the Cat?

How all of these somehow went viral?

These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own.

Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare.

Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program.

Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things?

 

[74Hunter]

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Thanks Mavric.

I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST.

The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly.

It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it.

But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period.

But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way.

Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds.

"Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy.

And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions.

Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years.

I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo.

Of course you don't.

Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot?

Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance?

Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game?

Remember Bo and the Cat?

How all of these somehow went viral?

These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own.

Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things?

Exactly.

I remember those things, but I don't remember Pederhorst being the one to get those stories/images to the media.

 

[RedSavage]

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Thanks Mavric.

I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST.

The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly.

It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it.

But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period.

But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way.

Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds.

"Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy.

And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions.

Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years.

I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo.

Of course you don't.

Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot?

Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance?

Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game?

Remember Bo and the Cat?

How all of these somehow went viral?

These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own.

Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare.

Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program.

Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things?

You honestly think he had a hand in the recent comments by Epley but had nothing to do with those things?

 

[BRV920]

No offense but his job depends on Riley being successful and this story helps his cause. He has a million reasons to do it.

 

[cm husker]

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Shocking.

<sarcasm>

And yet some people wonder why some of the players have reservations about playing for this AD and coaching staff.

I am not particularly perturbed by Mavric's claim, if it is in fact true. I think a lot of people are unaware just how many stories and articles are pushed out by PR people inside given organizations. They may appear on the surface to be genuine but in fact have been calculated moves.

I can tell you right now that if the AD at my alma mater pushed a story that "a lack of talent is the reason for a 5-7 season" after 7 straight years of 9+ wins per season, that AD would be literally shot out of a cannon.

It's bush league. It's stupid and it's just another example of the lack in leadership NU has at the top.

On one hand, I really hope Riley didn't approve it (based on his demeanor and reputation, I doubt he would), but on the other, it's a major problem if the AD isn't coordinating things like this with their coaches.

p.s., to those who claim the AD engineered all kind of touchy feely stuff for Bo, (a) those Bo related actions were to disprove a negative perception, not to help "prove" a negative one as an excuse (this is a huge difference and why the two aren't comparable, even if the AD did push both), and (b) I don't really believe Eichorst did that because I do believe Bo when he said he had probably a handful of short conversations with the guy.

 

[NUance]

Why is it an issue whether or not Eichorst was behind the comments? For all I care it could have been Zombie Bob Devaney who was behind it. The real issue should be whether Epley's comments were true. And if true, how long it will take to fix.

 

[GBRedneck]

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Thanks Mavric.

I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST.

The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly.

It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it.

But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period.

But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way.

Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds.

"Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy.

And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions.

Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years.

I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo.

Of course you don't.

Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot?

Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance?

Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game?

Remember Bo and the Cat?

How all of these somehow went viral?

These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own.

Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare.

Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program.

Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things?

You honestly think he had a hand in the recent comments by Epley but had nothing to do with those things?

You honestly think Eichorst had nothing to do with Epley's comments and did have something to do with Bo's PR?

The newspapers already confirmed that the AD contacted them both to do a coordinated story. And Bo's own inner circle was responsible for all of his PR. Eichorst had nothing to do with it, except possibly a rubber stamp approval for a few of them.

 

[flfmrredfan]

Dude, you don't need to "infer" anything. I'm telling you that TOM OSBORNE HIMSELF says he started recruiting for defensive speed after 1990, having watched those speedy Florida (and Georgia Tech) teams thwart his offense.

That would seem to suggest that however much speed Tom Osborne had recruited before 1990, he realized he had to step up his game in the new college football landscape that put a premium on DEFENSIVE SPEED.

Or to look at it another way, in keeping with the thread, Nebraska needed to target and secure better talent to become the '93-'97 juggernaut we remember.

I suppose I can infer that Tom Osborne's doesn't know what Tom Osborne was thinking as well as you do?

Osborne said a lot of things that, without context, were taken wrong. He and his staff always tried to recruit speed. Speed on the part of OU hurt NU many, many times in the '70s and '80s. So, regardless of what you understand Osborne to say, he didn't just wake up one day in the '90s and suddenly decide to recruit speed. That just under estimates Osborne and his staff. And it ignores the speed of players like Neil Smith, Broderick Thomas, to name a few of the defensive players in the '80s.

But, we do agree that the difference was in the way he and his staff changed their defense. And that was due in large measure to Kevin Steele's influence, and of course, the losses to the Florida schools in the late '80s and early '90s.

 

[BRV920]

I have no doubt they are true. We aren't as talented as the teams of the 90's. But let's face it, we may never assemble that kind of talent at Nebraska ever again. I believe the article states that we have a lot of players in the 1700 range. Not sure if the article tells the age of the players so there is to time to boost their numbers. It's also the first year with Epley back it's going to take some time.

 

[flfmrredfan]

You honestly think he had a hand in the recent comments by Epley but had nothing to do with those things?

The newspapers already confirmed that the AD contacted them both to do a coordinated story. And Bo's own inner circle was responsible for all of his PR. Eichorst had nothing to do with it, except possibly a rubber stamp approval for a few of them.

The more I read about Ickyhorst, the more he resembles SPEM. I wonder if Ickyhorst is SPEM's revenge?

Naw. Prickman picked both of those incompetent boobs, so, a pattern is evident.

 

[cm husker]

People seem to forget that Osborne and McBride changed their SCHEME during the early 90s (you know, what good coaches do). Osborne didn't blame his players for a lack of athleticism or even come out and say his players lacked talent.

To argue that TO called out his players publicly for their deficiencies or as an implied excuse for losses is the worst kind of revisionism yet.

 

[NUance]

I have no doubt they are true. We aren't as talented as the teams of the 90's. But let's face it, we may never assemble that kind of talent at Nebraska ever again. I believe the article states that we have a lot of players in the 1700 range. Not sure if the article tells the age of the players so there is to time to boost their numbers. It's also the first year with Epley back it's going to take some time.

If you look back long enough it seems like we were able to bring talent to a peak about every 10 or 12 years starting with the BobFather's two MNCs. '70-'71. '82-'83. '94-'97. Well, three times at least. That repeating pattern failed to materialize in the 2000s. What happened???

 

[Enhance]

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Shocking.

<sarcasm>

And yet some people wonder why some of the players have reservations about playing for this AD and coaching staff.

I am not particularly perturbed by Mavric's claim, if it is in fact true. I think a lot of people are unaware just how many stories and articles are pushed out by PR people inside given organizations. They may appear on the surface to be genuine but in fact have been calculated moves.

I can tell you right now that if the AD at my alma mater pushed a story that "a lack of talent is the reason for a 5-7 season" after 7 straight years of 9+ wins per season, that AD would be literally shot out of a cannon.

It's bush league. It's stupid and it's just another example of the lack in leadership NU has at the top.

OK, but look at this logically - you yourself have said that Nebraska is capable of sending about a dozen or so players to the NFL on this roster. That would mean about three per season, correct? That's roughly what Nebraska has been doing for the last several years. Now, a data-driven analysis comes out that shows, currently, there are three NFL caliber players on this roster. That leaves room for the other players to improve in the future and still hit that three average.

This data proves your point, yet, you're more focused on being uspet about it. Furthermore, Epley has tested 12 sports using the same formula. It's not like he is picking on the football team. That said, I do understand the argument it's in poor taste, but you're also drawing into question a man considered the Godfather of modern sports training in your relentless effort to sift out conspiracies and bash the coaching staff.

Also, now that I have your attention, I was wondering if you'd care to respond to a question I asked you on page five about where your data comes from that Frank left more draft picks for Bill than Bill left for Bo. Here's my question for you.

I am curious about your facts, however.

How are you formulating the claim that Solich left more draft picks for Callahan than Callahan did for Pelini? I did a little research, and according to the numbers I pulled, Frank left 11 NFL draft picks for Callahan's years. Callahan left 13 for Bo. I can quote the names I found to be more specific, if requested.

Perhaps I missed some players, but I don't think I did. Your thoughts here?

 

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