Moving Past Notre Dame and Texas?
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VectorVictor
Heisman Trophy Winner
I think page is best viewed with Netscape Navigator, if you can pick up what I'm laying down.
And broganreynik linked to the NCAA's own site, and those numbers mirror those from the article that I referenced from before the 2016 season started.
RunMickeyRun02
Starter
Fair enough, still appreciate bringing this back to the front of my brain.
Another thing I noticed is the way Ohio State and Alabama have been playing in recent years they could be passing us in the not to distant future.
knapplc
International Man of Mystery
The NCAA's site cites a source that has Nebraska at #9 with 846 wins, but their data stops at 2010. Add 50 more wins from 2011-present, that gets us to 896, which isn't right.
HuskerMax uses Stassen, which has Nebraska at #4 at the end of the 2015 season with 880 wins.
If Stassen is correct, it's currently:
1. Michigan - 932
2. Notre Dame - 894
3. Texas - 889
4. Nebraska - 887
5. Ohio State - 881
RunMickeyRun02
Starter
I'm not normally the anal-retentive perfectionist type but the fact I can't find one good source of truth really bothers me. Here are my numbers. I went here sorted by Wins descending and added this years games so far:
BUT then the pdf it uses as a reference doesn't seem to jive.... :-(
- Michigan 936 (7-0 this year)
- Notre Dame 895 (2-5)
- TexA$$ 889 (3-4)
- NEBRASKA 887 (7-0)
- Ohio State* 881 (6-1)
- Alabama* 872 (8-0)
BUT then the pdf it uses as a reference doesn't seem to jive.... :-(
beorach
Special Teams Player
I think there's some cool functionality on that site and others it links to besides. E.g., did you see you can calculate winning percentage for whatever eras that interest you? If you just look at the years TO was the head coach at Nebraska, you'll see that the Cornhuskers led the nation in both wins and winning percentage during that period.
I was not sharing it because I thought anything shared previously was lacking (though I had never previously heard of cheatsheet.com and was not impressed by the writing, let alone the spam ads, in the article you linked). I didn't have any trouble viewing Stassen's page in Google Chrome either. I understand the discussion on the exact page I linked to was dated but it speaks to details on sampling methodologies relevant to this calculation (that can be as simple or detailed as one wants to make it).
Getting into specifics, I'd be more interested in a table on an NCAA site (.com or .org) that shows all-time wins and winning percentage but what was linked to was just an article with a few figures. The best thing I found (on NCAA.com) was a list of champions by year. These data are not easily found for whatever reason. All I can think about now is that I've lost track of better websites. I remember one that allowed you to sort through historical, final AP rankings. I might choose a decade and ask for a list of top 5 or 10 or 25 teams. The site would list all the teams that finished in the top 5 for that decade and how many times each finished with that high a final ranking. It was a good, quick way to argue conference strength with visiting fans of other programs.
p.s. - I hope you didn't step in what you were laying down. I wasn't about to pick it up.
p.p.s. - Here's what I started to blather (if you can do that via text) about in that last paragraph: http://collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/app_final.cfm#.WA9ztSHR9hG
I was not sharing it because I thought anything shared previously was lacking (though I had never previously heard of cheatsheet.com and was not impressed by the writing, let alone the spam ads, in the article you linked). I didn't have any trouble viewing Stassen's page in Google Chrome either. I understand the discussion on the exact page I linked to was dated but it speaks to details on sampling methodologies relevant to this calculation (that can be as simple or detailed as one wants to make it).
Getting into specifics, I'd be more interested in a table on an NCAA site (.com or .org) that shows all-time wins and winning percentage but what was linked to was just an article with a few figures. The best thing I found (on NCAA.com) was a list of champions by year. These data are not easily found for whatever reason. All I can think about now is that I've lost track of better websites. I remember one that allowed you to sort through historical, final AP rankings. I might choose a decade and ask for a list of top 5 or 10 or 25 teams. The site would list all the teams that finished in the top 5 for that decade and how many times each finished with that high a final ranking. It was a good, quick way to argue conference strength with visiting fans of other programs.
p.s. - I hope you didn't step in what you were laying down. I wasn't about to pick it up.
p.p.s. - Here's what I started to blather (if you can do that via text) about in that last paragraph: http://collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/app_final.cfm#.WA9ztSHR9hG
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knapplc
International Man of Mystery
I went through HuskerMax's W/L records for all 127 (counting 2016) years of Husker football. Add 'em up and you get 887 wins.
I'm betting Stassen is accurate, then. That means we're two games behind Texas, with a solid chance to pass them this year.
Here are the wins I counted. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
1890 - 2
1891 - 2
1892 - 2
1893 - 3
1894 - 6
1895 - 6
1896 - 6
1897 - 5
1898 - 8
1899 - 1
1900 - 6
1901 - 6
1902 - 9
1903 - 10
1904 - 7
1905 - 8
1906 - 6
1907 - 8
1908 - 7
1909 - 3
1910 - 7
1911 - 5
1912 - 7
1913 - 8
1914 - 7
1915 - 8
1916 - 6
1917 - 5
1918 - 2
1919 - 3
1920 - 5
1921 - 7
1922 - 7
1923 - 4
1924 - 5
1925 - 4
1926 - 6
1927 - 6
1928 - 7
1929 - 4
1930 - 4
1931 - 8
1932 - 7
1933 - 8
1934 - 6
1935 - 6
1936 - 7
1937 - 6
1938 - 3
1939 - 7
1940 - 8
1941 - 4
1942 - 3
1943 - 2
1944 - 2
1945 - 4
1946 - 3
1947 - 2
1948 - 2
1949 - 4
1950 - 6
1951 - 2
1952 - 5
1953 - 3
1954 - 6
1955 - 5
1956 - 4
1957 - 1
1958 - 3
1959 - 4
1960 - 4
1961 - 3
1962 - 9
1963 - 10
1964 - 9
1965 - 10
1966 - 9
1967 - 6
1968 - 6
1969 - 9
1970 - 11
1971 - 13
1972 - 9
1973 - 9
1974 - 9
1975 - 10
1976 - 9
1977 - 9
1978 - 9
1979 - 10
1980 - 10
1981 - 9
1982 - 12
1983 - 12
1984 - 10
1985 - 9
1986 - 10
1987 - 10
1988 - 11
1989 - 10
1990 - 9
1991 - 9
1992 - 9
1993 - 11
1994 - 13
1995 - 12
1996 - 11
1997 - 13
1998 - 9
1999 - 12
2000 - 10
2001 - 11
2002 - 7
2003 - 10
2004 - 5
2005 - 8
2006 - 9
2007 - 5
2008 - 9
2009 - 10
2010 - 10
2011 - 9
2012 - 10
2013 - 9
2014 - 9
2015 - 6
2016 - 7
Total - 887
I'm betting Stassen is accurate, then. That means we're two games behind Texas, with a solid chance to pass them this year.
Here are the wins I counted. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
1890 - 2
1891 - 2
1892 - 2
1893 - 3
1894 - 6
1895 - 6
1896 - 6
1897 - 5
1898 - 8
1899 - 1
1900 - 6
1901 - 6
1902 - 9
1903 - 10
1904 - 7
1905 - 8
1906 - 6
1907 - 8
1908 - 7
1909 - 3
1910 - 7
1911 - 5
1912 - 7
1913 - 8
1914 - 7
1915 - 8
1916 - 6
1917 - 5
1918 - 2
1919 - 3
1920 - 5
1921 - 7
1922 - 7
1923 - 4
1924 - 5
1925 - 4
1926 - 6
1927 - 6
1928 - 7
1929 - 4
1930 - 4
1931 - 8
1932 - 7
1933 - 8
1934 - 6
1935 - 6
1936 - 7
1937 - 6
1938 - 3
1939 - 7
1940 - 8
1941 - 4
1942 - 3
1943 - 2
1944 - 2
1945 - 4
1946 - 3
1947 - 2
1948 - 2
1949 - 4
1950 - 6
1951 - 2
1952 - 5
1953 - 3
1954 - 6
1955 - 5
1956 - 4
1957 - 1
1958 - 3
1959 - 4
1960 - 4
1961 - 3
1962 - 9
1963 - 10
1964 - 9
1965 - 10
1966 - 9
1967 - 6
1968 - 6
1969 - 9
1970 - 11
1971 - 13
1972 - 9
1973 - 9
1974 - 9
1975 - 10
1976 - 9
1977 - 9
1978 - 9
1979 - 10
1980 - 10
1981 - 9
1982 - 12
1983 - 12
1984 - 10
1985 - 9
1986 - 10
1987 - 10
1988 - 11
1989 - 10
1990 - 9
1991 - 9
1992 - 9
1993 - 11
1994 - 13
1995 - 12
1996 - 11
1997 - 13
1998 - 9
1999 - 12
2000 - 10
2001 - 11
2002 - 7
2003 - 10
2004 - 5
2005 - 8
2006 - 9
2007 - 5
2008 - 9
2009 - 10
2010 - 10
2011 - 9
2012 - 10
2013 - 9
2014 - 9
2015 - 6
2016 - 7
Total - 887
I pulled them from here, which was the first list I found:
http://social.quintevents.com/bid/204365/The-Top-10-Winningest-College-Football-Teams-and-Coaches-of-All-Time
At the time, I didn't know that there were several different variations of such a list. Some places make a tie "half a win, half a loss", some may or may count games that were retroactively forfeited because of cheating, etc., etc.
I can't or won't say which is right, but I suppose the NCAA would be the final arbiter of these things. Whatever is the consensus, I will go with that. I just saw that rankings might change this season.
BigRedBuster
International Man of Mystery
Well, here is Texas's remaining schedule:
Baylor L
TT W
W Virginia L
KU W
TCU W
I'm seeing them at 3-2 with that schedule. Of course, as we see many times in college football the wheels can always fall completely off and start losing to even really bad teams. I will be a big J Hawk fan that weekend. I would love it if they would lose every single one but I doubt if they do.
Notre Dame's remaining schedule:
Miami W
Navy L
Army L
VT L
USC L
Now, let's say we split the next two and win the rest. That's 4-1.
So, end of regular season:
ND 895
Texas 892
Nebraska 891
I think we will have to wait till next year to pass either of them. BUT...next year we could make a big move in the rankings.
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TGHusker
Heisman Trophy Winner
We'll also have a bowl game. If it rolls right, maybe we tie Texas based on your analysis. I could also see texas loosing to either TT or TCU. Then we could move ahead of them.
admo
Heisman Trophy Winner
The Callahan years weren't too kind, but we really need to make up for the 40's.
(And maybe the 50's too)