Riley Voices OLine Concerns

[Saunders]

At some point, talented youth and getting players healthy is no longer an excuse for the current line under performing. We've had almost two decades of not getting important recruits, certain recruits not panning out, linemen transferring and various injuries. "Next year," as it relates to offensive linemen, has grown old.

This. It makes me laugh when people use the "oh, fans are just impatient and want to fire everyone if they don't get immediate results" line.

No.

In 2 seasons, we're at the two decade mark. Twenty years is a long time.

 

[spurs1990]

At some point, talented youth and getting players healthy is no longer an excuse for the current line under performing. We've had almost two decades of not getting important recruits, certain recruits not panning out, linemen transferring and various injuries. "Next year," as it relates to offensive linemen, has grown old.

This. It makes me laugh when people use the "oh, fans are just impatient and want to fire everyone if they don't get immediate results" line.

No.

In 2 seasons, we're at the two decade mark. Twenty years is a long time.

The problem with that logic is that Cav hasn't been here for 20 years. Yes 20 years is a long time, but 90% of those aren't his problem. He can only control the here and now. He is the coach now and he definitely deserves a chance. You don't fire someone because they don't get immediate results. That line is applicable and viable in this situation.

 

[RedSavage]

At some point, talented youth and getting players healthy is no longer an excuse for the current line under performing. We've had almost two decades of not getting important recruits, certain recruits not panning out, linemen transferring and various injuries. "Next year," as it relates to offensive linemen, has grown old.

This. It makes me laugh when people use the "oh, fans are just impatient and want to fire everyone if they don't get immediate results" line.

No.

In 2 seasons, we're at the two decade mark. Twenty years is a long time.

The problem with that logic is that Cav hasn't been here for 20 years. Yes 20 years is a long time, but 90% of those aren't his problem. He can only control the here and now. He is the coach now and he definitely deserves a chance. You don't fire someone because they don't get immediate results. That line is applicable and viable in this situation.

I don't think anyone is expecting to see results overnight. But do you think it's fair to say that by the end of year 3 we should begin to see some results and if not then maybe a change is in order? Personally, I think by the end of year 3 is plenty of time for a "chance" and about the time pretty much all those excuses begin to lose validity.

 

[Saunders]

At some point, talented youth and getting players healthy is no longer an excuse for the current line under performing. We've had almost two decades of not getting important recruits, certain recruits not panning out, linemen transferring and various injuries. "Next year," as it relates to offensive linemen, has grown old.

This. It makes me laugh when people use the "oh, fans are just impatient and want to fire everyone if they don't get immediate results" line.

No.

In 2 seasons, we're at the two decade mark. Twenty years is a long time.

The problem with that logic is that Cav hasn't been here for 20 years. Yes 20 years is a long time, but 90% of those aren't his problem. He can only control the here and now. He is the coach now and he definitely deserves a chance. You don't fire someone because they don't get immediate results. That line is applicable and viable in this situation.

I don't think anyone is expecting to see results overnight. But do you think it's fair to say that by the end of year 3 we should begin to see some results and if not then maybe a change is in order? Personally I think year 3 is plenty of time for a "chance" and about the time pretty much all those excuses begin to lose validity.

Hail Varsity did an article on it last summer, and the tl;dr is that in the vast majority of cases, successful coaches get a nice bump in year 2, and begin to hit their stride in year 3. If they don't "get good" by then, it probably won't happen.

 

[Saunders]

At some point, talented youth and getting players healthy is no longer an excuse for the current line under performing. We've had almost two decades of not getting important recruits, certain recruits not panning out, linemen transferring and various injuries. "Next year," as it relates to offensive linemen, has grown old.

This. It makes me laugh when people use the "oh, fans are just impatient and want to fire everyone if they don't get immediate results" line.

No.

In 2 seasons, we're at the two decade mark. Twenty years is a long time.

The problem with that logic is that Cav hasn't been here for 20 years. Yes 20 years is a long time, but 90% of those aren't his problem. He can only control the here and now. He is the coach now and he definitely deserves a chance. You don't fire someone because they don't get immediate results. That line is applicable and viable in this situation.

Right, which is why I didn't lay all the blame at his feet. But he has to improve his unit this year, the excuses are pretty much gone.

 

[GBRFAN]

Follow up. Was it "nuances of the offensive line" that caused us to get stonewalled by a bad Tennessee defense that had given up 1055 yards rushing (6.46 ypr) against Kentucky, Missouri, and Vandy in the 3 games prior to playing us?

It's not like we're throwing a bunch of low 2* or 3* guys out there either. Here's the scholarship guys on the roster, excluding the latest class.

Broc Bando - 3* 0.8412

Jalin Barnett - 4* 0.9207

Brain Brokop - 3* 0.8847

Michael Decker - 3* 0.8544

Tanner Farmer - 4* 0.9021

Matt Farniok - 4* 0.9049

Jerald Foster - 3* 0.8708

Nick Gates - 4* 0.8929

Christian Gaylord - 3* 0.8882

David Knevel - 3* 0.8765

John Raridon - 4* 0.9435

Boe Wilson - 3* 0.8559

Not exactly garbage.

Star talent is looking good and should continue to get better

The players listed above are:

Freshman - Bando, Brokop, Farnoik, Rairdon, Wilson

Sophmore - Barnett, Decker, Gaylord

Junior - Farmer, Gates, Foster

Senior - Knevel

The bigger concern is that most of these players are young and the 3 top rated players are all underclassmen. Healthy players and talent that has been around the program an additional year will make Cav look better in 2017 - 2018 will be even better with the combination of talent and upperclassmen depth.

This isn't directed at you, necessarily, but at the theme of your post. It's one that's been around the program for a long time now.

At some point, talented youth and getting players healthy is no longer an excuse for the current line under performing. We've had almost two decades of not getting important recruits, certain recruits not panning out, linemen transferring and various injuries. "Next year," as it relates to offensive linemen, has grown old.

I get it and I totally agree - however Cav can not take the blame for the previous 18 years. Every time a new guy or staff comes in we have to be patient in respect to that generation - sucks for us, however it is what it is.

 

[BoNeyard]

I think Cav was deserving of getting one more year, but this is definitely a make it or break it year for him. These assistant coaches now know Riley is willing to axe anyone who isn't getting it done. The offensive line at Nebraska has been pitiful for years now and we desperately need a solid O-Line to have any sort of success in the B1G. If Cav can't get it done this year, hope Riley takes whoever Wisconsin has as O-Line coach. Why could Nebraska or why would Nebraska take Wisconsin's O-Line coach? Simple, it is well known Wisconsin doesnt pay their assistance very much, and whoever it is would have connections already in important B1G territory, and also our O-Line needs to be like Wisconsins.

 

[marko polo]

Follow up. Was it "nuances of the offensive line" that caused us to get stonewalled by a bad Tennessee defense that had given up 1055 yards rushing (6.46 ypr) against Kentucky, Missouri, and Vandy in the 3 games prior to playing us?

It's not like we're throwing a bunch of low 2* or 3* guys out there either. Here's the scholarship guys on the roster, excluding the latest class.

Broc Bando - 3* 0.8412

Jalin Barnett - 4* 0.9207

Brain Brokop - 3* 0.8847

Michael Decker - 3* 0.8544

Tanner Farmer - 4* 0.9021

Matt Farniok - 4* 0.9049

Jerald Foster - 3* 0.8708

Nick Gates - 4* 0.8929

Christian Gaylord - 3* 0.8882

David Knevel - 3* 0.8765

John Raridon - 4* 0.9435

Boe Wilson - 3* 0.8559

Not exactly garbage.

Could have fooled me by reading a lot of posts on here!

I could be way off on this, but aren't those projections of where the players will be by the time they exit the program? Like what their contribution level could be? If so, our line at this point is still filled with juniors and under. Should they have been expected to be at their optimal performance level by their sophomore year last year? Kids have ups and downs. Inconsistency and drop offs are to be expected. Last year seems like a whole lot of growing pain and things to learn from.

I just see too many reasons personally to give more time. My opinion doesn't really matter in the end and I traditionally lean towards more time than not enough. Could be a fault, but I'm fine with that.

no they are projections as what they are now compared to other recruits

spin it all you like , we suck on the line and will continue to do so unless average or below is where we should be for your liking

 

[spurs1990]

Follow up. Was it "nuances of the offensive line" that caused us to get stonewalled by a bad Tennessee defense that had given up 1055 yards rushing (6.46 ypr) against Kentucky, Missouri, and Vandy in the 3 games prior to playing us?

It's not like we're throwing a bunch of low 2* or 3* guys out there either. Here's the scholarship guys on the roster, excluding the latest class.

Broc Bando - 3* 0.8412

Jalin Barnett - 4* 0.9207

Brain Brokop - 3* 0.8847

Michael Decker - 3* 0.8544

Tanner Farmer - 4* 0.9021

Matt Farniok - 4* 0.9049

Jerald Foster - 3* 0.8708

Nick Gates - 4* 0.8929

Christian Gaylord - 3* 0.8882

David Knevel - 3* 0.8765

John Raridon - 4* 0.9435

Boe Wilson - 3* 0.8559

Not exactly garbage.

Could have fooled me by reading a lot of posts on here!

I could be way off on this, but aren't those projections of where the players will be by the time they exit the program? Like what their contribution level could be? If so, our line at this point is still filled with juniors and under. Should they have been expected to be at their optimal performance level by their sophomore year last year? Kids have ups and downs. Inconsistency and drop offs are to be expected. Last year seems like a whole lot of growing pain and things to learn from.

I just see too many reasons personally to give more time. My opinion doesn't really matter in the end and I traditionally lean towards more time than not enough. Could be a fault, but I'm fine with that.

no they are projections as what they are now compared to other recruits

spin it all you like , we suck on the line and will continue to do so unless average or below is where we should be for your liking

http://appalachianstate.247sports.com/Article/247Sports-Rating-Explanation-81574

I was looking at this thing and it looked like they correlated some projections with it. That might just be the author? I know it's on an App State site but I saw it just on 247 somewhere too, can't find where now.

I'm not really spinning anything, I believe that was just a question. Seems fair that this year three is make or break. My problem is it seems like people are saying he's toast before spring ball is even done. Just seems unnecessary to me.

Also, what defines make or break? What would you consider a statistically successful year?

 

[Toe]

You can put whatever subdomain you want on that link.

http://nebraska.247sports.com/Article/247Sports-Rating-Explanation-81574

 

[spurs1990]

You can put whatever subdomain you want on that link.

http://nebraska.247sports.com/Article/247Sports-Rating-Explanation-81574

Well then... point remains the same!

 

[OH HSKR FAN]

Is Pat Hill on Riley's rolodex? Callahan's OL coach was pretty good here. . .

 

[HuskermanMike]

I think Cav was deserving of getting one more year, but this is definitely a make it or break it year for him. These assistant coaches now know Riley is willing to axe anyone who isn't getting it done. The offensive line at Nebraska has been pitiful for years now and we desperately need a solid O-Line to have any sort of success in the B1G. If Cav can't get it done this year, hope Riley takes whoever Wisconsin has as O-Line coach. Why could Nebraska or why would Nebraska take Wisconsin's O-Line coach? Simple, it is well known Wisconsin doesnt pay their assistance very much, and whoever it is would have connections already in important B1G territory, and also our O-Line needs to be like Wisconsins.

http://www.uwbadgers.com/coaches.aspx?rc=494&path=football

Does not matter how much he is getting paid, he will not leave an OC/Associate HC/OL coach for a demotion to simply our offensive line coach. He was at Nebraska for one year, but that does not matter because he would not take a demotion to be here. We would have to go after someone else.

Its interesting that people are panicking this much during spring ball. Is this not the time for the athletes to get better instead of throwing in a revolving door of new coaches? He has to get the group to play better, but I feel like the maximum assistants Riley fires after the season is maybe 1. Too much change over the last few years to continue to fire and hire new people. Reggie is getting blamed a lot, but if Ozigbo and Bryant run behind an improved o-line in 2017, no one will be losing their job. Improvement is necessary, but how much is it on scheme is the real question.

 

[Nebfanatic]

And how much will we improve? I would say we have the players to make a significant improvement over last year. Just because we are not seeing it click now doesn't mean it won't happen. Let's at least wait until a few games are played before we start blaming Cav for the '17 line, you may be complimenting him without knowing it!

 

[marko polo]

And how much will we improve? I would say we have the players to make a significant improvement over last year. Just because we are not seeing it click now doesn't mean it won't happen. Let's at least wait until a few games are played before we start blaming Cav for the '17 line, you may be complimenting him without knowing it!

completely not likely, we were exposed when we played anyone with a pulse. It couldn't change that much!