That's complete BS. They come here illegally. They commit identity theft to work and live here illegally. But yeah, otherwise they have great respect for our laws.
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That's complete BS. They come here illegally. They commit identity theft to work and live here illegally. But yeah, otherwise they have great respect for our laws.
I'm very supportive of LEGAL immigrants. I helped my church resettle some Syrian refugee families here in Omaha last year. We're a nation of laws and have a right to choose who comes here.
zoogs
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Illegal immigrants are not here to destroy our way of life and commit crimes. They're here because opportunities are better here. They're probably trying their best to defend and create for their families -- something you say you respect. If they could have come here legally they would -- and if they can get legal status, they'd want to.
Also: if you are indeed so very supportive of legal immigrants, I take it you're positively aghast at what the Trump Administration is doing.
Also: if you are indeed so very supportive of legal immigrants, I take it you're positively aghast at what the Trump Administration is doing.
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Nebfanatic
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The thing that is complete BS is when you make it seem as if a majority of illegal citizens are drug dealers and rapists when the facts say they are actually one of the most law abiding groups of people outside of laws regarding citizenship
RedDenver
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Do you have any evidence to backup any of these claims?
zoogs
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It is necessary to dehumanize people so that we can justify their harsh and inhumane treatment while still maintaining our self-illusion of decency.
This drives far too much of conservative policy. E.g:
- if trans people are actually predating on children is not letting them use their own bathrooms really such a bad thing?
- if the gays are defiling God's will and the sanctity of our marriages, shouldn't we look the other way when they are mistreated?
- if women who desire abortions are careless, selfish, and slutty, shouldn't we compel them to be Good People?
- if immigrants (legal or otherwise) are dangerous, or maybe dangerous, shouldn't they be kicked out of the country with extreme prejudice?
- if poor/black people are lazy bums shouldn't we not furnish their lavish, poverty queen lifestyles?
- if liberals are effete snowflakes, shouldn't we dismiss all they advocate for?
- 99.9% of gun owners are the most upstanding, responsible people and you are persecuting them
Watch for the politics that just boils down to Otherize, then Punish.
This drives far too much of conservative policy. E.g:
- if trans people are actually predating on children is not letting them use their own bathrooms really such a bad thing?
- if the gays are defiling God's will and the sanctity of our marriages, shouldn't we look the other way when they are mistreated?
- if women who desire abortions are careless, selfish, and slutty, shouldn't we compel them to be Good People?
- if immigrants (legal or otherwise) are dangerous, or maybe dangerous, shouldn't they be kicked out of the country with extreme prejudice?
- if poor/black people are lazy bums shouldn't we not furnish their lavish, poverty queen lifestyles?
- if liberals are effete snowflakes, shouldn't we dismiss all they advocate for?
- 99.9% of gun owners are the most upstanding, responsible people and you are persecuting them
Watch for the politics that just boils down to Otherize, then Punish.
Come here legally. If you sneak in in violation of our laws, don't expect me to care when ICE sends you home.
Illegals commit massive amount of crime. Liberals and flawed liberal studies lie about and ignore that FACT.
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/326272-most-illegal-aliens-routinely-commit-felonies%3famp
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/326272-most-illegal-aliens-routinely-commit-felonies%3famp
That's good, as I hate to disappoint.
Before you bleeding hearts shed too many tears, have a read about how the hypocritical Mexican government treats illegals.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/85798440
ZRod
Well-known member
So they falsify documents to get a job and survive. Which then means they pay taxes and never see the benefits of social security, Medicare, unclaimed taxes, etc. and are much more susceptible to wage theft if they are Venice paid above the table making minimum wage.
ZRod
Well-known member
Here's a question, how do we help Mexico, Guatemala, etc. improve their economies and living conditions for their citizens? Seems like the only real way to fix illegal immigration is to improve the conditions they came from so they don't have to leave their native country to come here illegally.
Danny Bateman
Active member
We have. This is what net illegal immigration from Mexico looks like:
The problem is a lot of people decided to take Trump's lead and b!^@h about NAFTA now like we're somehow getting a raw deal.
This presents a cognitive dissonance problem for hardcore Trumpers. They want to kick illegals out of the country ASAP, but they've also decided NAFTA is bad and we have to hatchet something that was instrumental in causing the shift in immigration illustrated above... because it's suddenly not good enough for us.
You can't really have it both ways. Unless you're OK with basically an authoritarian state that rounds up millions for deportation & goes around poking allies in the eye because you've been convinced by an ignorant charlatan at the head of the table that globalists (i.e., Jews), unfair trade deals and trade deficits are the cause of all our ills.
If you're OK with the U.S. becoming that type of country, well, you're going to have to go through myself and other like-minded people that just aren't going to let it happen.
They came here ILLEGALLY. They routinely engage in felonies that harm real people so they can stay here ILLEGALLY. I couldn't give two s***s about how much of the wages they earn ILLEGALLY while here ILLEGALLY they get to keep.
Or build a wall and make it impossible for illegals to find employment and housing while making them completely ineligible for welfare benefits. They'll self-deport soon enough once the gravy train runs out.