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Landlord said:
*admits to not having facts but arguing a point based on unfounded and unresearched opinions*

*criticizes those who use facts in their arguments as being subjective*

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THERE YOU ARE! I was worried you wouldn't jump in for your cheap +1's, you cheeky fella you didn't let me down.

 
*criticizes P&R posters for being dickish, smug, getting away with insults, etc.*

*criticizes the left for being defensive*

*resorts to ad hominem attacks*

 
I am a christian, and I feel that Christmas is under attack at some levels.....but it isn't from saying Happy Holidays!  I've used that phrase for as long as I can remember. I say it to encompass both Christmas and New Years.  Goodness some people, on both sides of the spectrum must just get up everyday and look for things to fret about.

 
Landlord said:
It isn't. Merry Christmas!
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I think "attack" is a fairly strong word in this issue but, what is it that has changed in the last few years? There is no denying that many stores/companies have adopted a new approach of not mentioning Christmas, not saying or printing materials that express "Merry Christmas" and rather the new norm for them is Happy Holidays. Have these stores/companies just all at once come to the conclusion they were not being inclusive enough? Why is it now necessary for them to promote Happy Holidays over Merry Christmas? Has the demographics in this country largely shifted in favor of Jews, Kwanzaa celebrators, and/or the secular crowd? Was Merry Christmas really off putting to non-Christians?

Like I said, "attack" is too strong of a word and inaccurate IMO but there is and has been a definite movement to remove Christmas from the season. So please explain to me just what is causing this.

 
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JJ Husker said:
there is and has been a definite movement to remove Christmas from the season
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No there hasn't.

Christmas stuff/junk is sold in these same stores earlier than ever. Christmas music is played more and earlier than ever. There is more Christmas now than ever. The Christmas season is longer and more saturated than it ever has been. There is no attack or movement against Christmas.

 
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Moiraine said:
No there hasn't.

Christmas stuff/junk is sold in these same stores starting in September and October. Christmas music is played more and earlier than ever. There is more Christmas now than ever. The Christmas season is longer and more saturated than it ever has been. There is no attack or movement against Christmas.
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Maybe I should have said Christ instead of Christmas.  And I was not referring to Christmas "junk" or Christmas "songs" or the ridiculously long selling season. What I said was many stores/companies/retailers have foregone calling it Christmas or saying or displaying the term Merry Christmas. Are you denying that has actually happened and that it hasn't been noticeable over the past 5-10 years?

Don't get me wrong, I could give a sh#t what retailers are doing. The whole thing has been overblown and perverted for far too long. What I am saying is there has been a shift in the way many stores approach and promote the season. Frankly, I'm glad they are less and less using Christmas by name to promote their overblown merchandising efforts. But don't sit there and tell me it hasn't changed. It has.

My question was an honest one. I want to know what others think is behind their changed marketing efforts. I don't think there is some anti-Christian conspiracy afoot but I also don't quite understand what has prompted the shift away from Merry Christmas. I have a theory but I would like to hear some other thoughts on it before sharing. Simply saying nothing has changed doesn't address the reality that, yes it has.

 
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