NU Cancelling Oklahoma Game?

Wistrom Disciple said:
I believe you must have skipped over the part: "Perlman the next day publicly admonished Pelini, something he now acknowledges may have been a mistake. Some thought he should have handled the matter internally. Perlman at the time thought it was important to make it clear to the public that the university did not condone Pelini’s behavior."  Steve Pedersen was a bad call, but if you think firing Solich didn't include consultation with Harvey, you've got wool over your eyes.

Yes, plenty of coaches get angry at reporters, officials, etc. Very few of them have their boss' boss releasing public statements to the media condemning the behavior like Perlman did on several occasions. I get that you obviously didn't like Bo and couldn't stand his attitude or demeanor. I come from a different breed I guess and would rather have a jerk for a coach that wins than the ice cream man who maybe wins half the games. 

Those who don't learn from their past are doomed to repeat it. Patience allowed for programs to thrive over time including our own from the late 60s to the 90s (also Iowa enjoying its' best all-time decade now, Notre Dame currently, Clemson, etc.) I agree that no one expected three years of underachieving but as the past 20 years have taught me, changing coaches every 5 or so years hasn't yielded good results either. Our best bet right now is to stay the course we're on, hope the continuity of the staff will help development and success will follow. 
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Again, Perlman's been gone for five years, Riley and Eichorst going on four, Pelini seven.  In terms of an administration, AD and coach in sync, on-field performance, public relations and fan expectation, how are we doing in the here and now, and what lesson from the past are we ignoring? 

Bob Devaney turned the entire program around in a single season. Ask Tom Osborne about "fan patience" during the first 20 years of his head coaching career. You may be surprised.

I want Scott Frost to have another 3 seasons guaranteed. Much less concerned about W/L this season than visible effort and emerging talent. Enough to add a little pressure on 2022. By his sixth season we will know Scott's recruiting skills, willingness to adapt and adjust, and his motivational ability. Hopefully this little Oklahoma incident will be long in the rear view mirror. But in the here and now, it doesn't represent Nebraska well and fans have every right to let the people responsible know it. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Again, Perlman's been gone for five years, Riley and Eichorst going on four, Pelini seven.  In terms of an administration, AD and coach in sync, on-field performance, public relations and fan expectation, how are we doing in the here and now, and what lesson from the past are we ignoring? 

Bob Devaney turned the entire program around in a single season. Ask Tom Osborne about "fan patience" during the first 20 years of his head coaching career. You may be surprised.

I want Scott Frost to have another 3 seasons guaranteed. Much less concerned about W/L this season than visible effort and emerging talent. Enough to add a little pressure on 2022. By his sixth season we will know Scott's recruiting skills, willingness to adapt and adjust, and his motivational ability. Hopefully this little Oklahoma incident will be long in the rear view mirror. But in the here and now, it doesn't represent Nebraska well and fans have every right to let the people responsible know it. 
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I will assume my point was made in regards to Perlman overstepping his role as you brushed past those points. The lessons from the past were in regards to your "ironic" comment about learning from Perlman's follies of switching ADs and coaches every five or so years. By all means, fans can complain to the university until they're blue in the face if it makes them feel better. However, it was done several times in the past 20 years we have often lived in mediocrity with a revolving door of coaches during that period. Let's hope we've learned from it and stick with Frost/Moos through the rollercoaster next several years.

Since we disagree on the subject and my evidence didn't sway your belief that Perlman & Eichorst "made the right decision" or were good for the athletic department, I will not be carrying on the discussion further. 

 
Is the rumor that frost single handedly tried to cancel the ou game? It makes more sense that he could've gone around the AD directly to the chancellor to get the game canceled or had the chancellor pressure the AD to do what Frost wants.

 
LumberJackSker said:
Is the rumor that frost single handedly tried to cancel the ou game? It makes more sense that he could've gone around the AD directly to the chancellor to get the game canceled or had the chancellor pressure the AD to do what Frost wants.
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That's about the only option that remotely makes sense.  The chancellor isn't even going to go cancel a football game and find a replacement team without the AD.  That's the AD's job.

Personally, I think someone (Frost, Moos, Chancellor) floated the idea and everyone had input.  It was obviously decided that they would try to cancel the game.

 
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Wistrom Disciple said:
I will not be carrying on the discussion further. 
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Lightfighter214 said:
Logically, it makes me think frost probaly floated the idea to someone outside of Moos, or even a few people and one of them leaked it.
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If that's what happened (and likely did) I really don't have a problem with it.  I don't have a problem with Frost talking about ideas with various people at the University and Moos shouldn't either.

I have a bigger problem with the one who leaked it 

 
Anyone who seriously believes the head coach of the school's biggest money maker was making or contemplating major changes to scheduling without consulting their AD is incredibly gullible and has no idea how an athletic department works.

 
Lightfighter214 said:
I think it really depends on what "over his head" actually means.  

It can be as severe as not liking the answer and straight negotiating with other schools to as little as floating the idea with someone else in the department and seeing if their was interest. 

Logically, it makes me think frost probaly floated the idea to someone outside of Moos, or even a few people and one of them leaked it.

The whole thing is a mess, but its getting even more cringeworty that frost hasnt said anything.

I do think its impossible to believe that any head coach wouldn't have input in their schedule.  Frost knew and was one of the first few in the department to know, where, what when, and how he knew we will probaly never know for sure.
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No way that happened.  A coach doesn't have the authority to sign a contract with other schools.  Other schools would be like "mmm k but where's your athletic director?"

 
Wistrom Disciple said:
I will assume my point was made in regards to Perlman overstepping his role as you brushed past those points. The lessons from the past were in regards to your "ironic" comment about learning from Perlman's follies of switching ADs and coaches every five or so years. By all means, fans can complain to the university until they're blue in the face if it makes them feel better. However, it was done several times in the past 20 years we have often lived in mediocrity with a revolving door of coaches during that period. Let's hope we've learned from it and stick with Frost/Moos through the rollercoaster next several years.

Since we disagree on the subject and my evidence didn't sway your belief that Perlman & Eichorst "made the right decision" or were good for the athletic department, I will not be carrying on the discussion further. 
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You know what happens when you "assume."

So if the key is patience, we should have urged Harvey Perlman to give Steve Pederson, Bill Callahan, Bo Pelini,, Shawn Eichorst and Mike Riley more time, and not judge Scott Frost and Bill Moos on standards established by the previous 60 years of University of Nebraska football? 

Do you think Harvey Perlman regretting a public reprimand of Bo Pelini is evidence that firing Bo Pelini was the wrong call by Eichorst? Or that it was more inappropriate for the Chancellor to distance the University from Pelini's go f#&% yourself comments than it was for Pelini to make them in the first place? You keep dodging my point that Bo Pelini's post-Nebraska career strongly suggests Eichorst was not wrong to fire him.

The singular lesson is that Nebraska can't assume it's in the running for top coaching prospects who have multiple options, and we will have to take calculated risks on whoever we think will be better than the last coach. As mentioned, Frost has another three years to prove himself in my book. But this Oklahoma thing really rubs me wrong. 

And do you really think this discussion is over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

 
I don't know what to think except for it's not a good look.  For me, having grown up with the NU/OU rivalry, I was excited for this game.  Of course, I thought we would be light years from where we are now, bit I digress.  I think what makes it worse is it a former rival, a blue blood program and an opportunity to see where we are.  Regardless of the reason, it "looks" like we are ducking a game against a top 5 opponent.  Hell, we win, this would be the biggest NU victory since 1997.  I can' remember if we have ever beaten a team ranked this high since our fall from grace.  I could be wrong.  I tred to blot out a lot of those years :)

 
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