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J-MAGIC said:
I don't understand the "this offense doesn't work in the Big Ten" stuff. It's already proven it has; his first year when he two good receivers and a good back and an experienced line the offense was ranked top 25 nationally and moved the ball on a lot of good defenses (with a true freshman QB). There have needed to be some tweaks as any good coach would make to a new situation, but the offense's lack of success the past couple years has been far more about not having skill position players who would start at many other B1G schools than it has about any sort of scheme or player archetype.

And you need all sorts of backs and receivers who are good at different things to be a successful offense. Bigger receivers were a glaring need so they've been the priority, but we're also still recruiting a lot of small fast-as-hell type of guys.
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With Riley's guys.....We have decreased production in each succeeding year......That's not a glowing report of Frost's O works.....And our l osing record sure as hell doesn't.....But hey, yards are better than wins....

 
Mavric said:
No, with Pelini's guys.  Riley left crap to work with on offense, as I've already outlined several times but you seem to ignore.
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Who played for Riley and were developed by Riley.......Just because you continually post “facts” doesn’t make them true.  So yea, i ignore a lot......I guess we could also point to the “facts” that Frosts recruiting misses have left the O in bad straights as well.  Iirc, no receivers from the 2018 or 2019 class.  Year 4 and the RB is full of fresh/Rsfr.....Yes he’s had misses and transfers, but he’s done a great job of flipping the roster, but the O has lagged behind the D in developing depth and culture IMO.  And this shows in the O’s performance.

I want Frost to succeed. But continually blaming sh!t on Riley is getting old.  And I couldn’t stand Riley.  But sadly, in the win column, he’s looking better in year 3 than Frost.  And that sucks.

 
lo country said:
Who played for Riley and were developed by Riley.......Just because you continually post “facts” doesn’t make them true.  So yea, i ignore a lot......I guess we could also point to the “facts” that Frosts recruiting misses have left the O in bad straights as well.  Iirc, no receivers from the 2018 or 2019 class.  Year 4 and the RB is full of fresh/Rsfr.....Yes he’s had misses and transfers, but he’s done a great job of flipping the roster, but the O has lagged behind the D in developing depth and culture IMO.  And this shows in the O’s performance.

I want Frost to succeed. But continually blaming sh!t on Riley is getting old.  And I couldn’t stand Riley.  But sadly, in the win column, he’s looking better in year 3 than Frost.  And that sucks.
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I would like to see you point to one of the "facts" that I've posted that isn't true.

Riley had Pelini's recruits to work with.  Frost has had Riley's to work with.  Chicken salad and such.  You can be tired of it all you want.  That doesn't mean it's not true.

I mentioned in earlier posts that Frost bears some blame in the recruiting department also.  But I guess you keep ignoring the parts you don't want to read.

 
Most of what Riley had to work with were recruited by Pelini and had some development under Pelini.  Really only Riley's third year would that have been more guys that he recruited and that had "developed" under him for three years.  That year we went 4-8 and had one of the worst defenses we've ever had.

I'm not saying development doesn't play a part of it.  It absolutely does.  But it's also hard to quantify.  

Here's a look at our three leading rushers and receivers over the last six years and who they were recruited by:

2015:

Rushing - Pelini, Pelini, Pelini

Receiveing - Pelini, Pelini, Pelini

2016: 

Rushing - Pelini, Pelini, Riley

Receiving - Pelini, Pelini, Pelini

2017:

Rushing - Riley, Pelini, Riley

Receiving - Pelini, Riley, Pelini

2018:

Rushing - Riley, Frost, Frost

Receiving - Pelini, Riley, Frost

2019:
Rushing - Frost, Frost, Frost

Receiving - Riley, Frost, Frost

2020:

Rushing - Frost, Frost, Frost

Receiving - Frost, Riley Frost

By Riley's third year, he could only contribute three of the six to his own recruiting.  Frost contributed three of his own in the first year and five out of six in the other two.  Pelini was still contributing more receiving in Frost's first year than Riley was.

Yeah, Riley had more wins in his first three years than Frost did.  But to try to pass that off acting like they were starting on equal footing is laughable.

 
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Mavric said:
I would like to see you point to one of the "facts" that I've posted that isn't true.

Riley had Pelini's recruits to work with.  Frost has had Riley's to work with.  Chicken salad and such.  You can be tired of it all you want.  That doesn't mean it's not true.

I mentioned in earlier posts that Frost bears some blame in the recruiting department also.  But I guess you keep ignoring the parts you don't want to read.
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I agree on Frost and recruiting.  But not all of it was his fault.  Some head cases and misses that other coaches do as well.  

As to Riley and his sh!tty culture/recruits, why did he have a better record than Frost with subpar athletes?  Was Riley. Better coach?  Kids suited to his system?  I hear ya.  I wanted Frost to be the one to return NU to the land of champions,  But for me, he over promised and has under delivered.  Blast Riley all you want (and I did for 3 years), But his record is better.  We are blaming a 4th Years coaches issues on a guy with a .500 record.....And that’s just getting old.  

As to pointing out “facts”, it’s something we all do.  Like right now.  Riley’s record is better.  Does that mean I liked him or want him back?  Hell no.  Didn’t want him then.  But it’s a “fact” true argue a point,  I’m sure my opinion and “facts” has done little if anything to sway or change an opinion.  It’s a message board.  

At at the end of the day, regardless of opinion, we all want Frost to succeed.  NU to get back to national. Prominence and hopefully win another NC before we die.

 
Another thing to think about here is that, when a recruit arrives on campus he's probably not going to contribute for a couple or three years regardless of how talented he is.  It's rare that a true frosh gets significant playing time. (With some notable exceptions.  Like Wan'dale.) 

The lag in contributing means that whoever did the recruiting 2 to 3 years before largely determines the talent level on the field.  Riley pulled in some good recruits.  But most of his best recruits left when he did.  The cupboard was pretty bare for Frost's first couple of years.   But that excuse has pretty much expired now that we're headed into Frost year 4.  

 
NUance said:
Another thing to think about here is that, when a recruit arrives on campus he's probably not going to contribute for a couple or three years regardless of how talented he is.  It's rare that a true frosh gets significant playing time. (With some notable exceptions.  Like Wan'dale.) 

The lag in contributing means that whoever did the recruiting 2 to 3 years before largely determines the talent level on the field.  Riley pulled in some good recruits.  But most of his best recruits left when he did.  The cupboard was pretty bare for Frost's first couple of years.   But that excuse has pretty much expired now that we're headed into Frost year 4.  
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True. 

However Im not sure you can put most of the blame on Frosts shoulders here. Im guessing Frosts approach to practice and out of season work may have had a part to play in those leaving. 

For the most part most of the kids that transferred out- havent done much where they landed. 

Rileys recruiting was all smoke and mirrors. What alpha male stud 18 year old football player really wants to play for Mr Rodgers with his sprinkles, goofy bike helmet and Prius? 

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NUance said:
Another thing to think about here is that, when a recruit arrives on campus he's probably not going to contribute for a couple or three years regardless of how talented he is.  It's rare that a true frosh gets significant playing time. (With some notable exceptions.  Like Wan'dale.) 

The lag in contributing means that whoever did the recruiting 2 to 3 years before largely determines the talent level on the field.  Riley pulled in some good recruits.  But most of his best recruits left when he did.  The cupboard was pretty bare for Frost's first couple of years.   But that excuse has pretty much expired now that we're headed into Frost year 4.  
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Right. People are mad at Frost for "missing" on recruits who were redshirt freshman and sophomores last year who didn't have a spring. It's essentially being mad that a bare cupboard didn't get immediately replenished, which is nothing but impatience and a lack of understanding of how good college football programs work. Iowa and Wisconsin are good because when they have a contributor graduate or go pro, they've got another three-star redshirt junior at his position they've been cooking for four years ready to step in and play. That wasn't happening under Riley in the first place, and then everyone from one class transferred when Frost got the job. It's not really going to be an excuse going forward, but a lot of our problems are affected by not having any depth and that's not really on the new coach.

 
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Mavric said:
I literally spent the last part explaining this.
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So......The best year that Frost had were because of Bo's kids?  The kids that played (or RS) the first year and then played 3 with Riley....So Bo was such a phenomenal coach that being in his presence for 1 year allowed them to weather the sh!tty coaching of Riley and Co.  And then allowed them to excel under Frost.  They were Pelini recruits for sure.  But to think that Riley didn't have any influence over them for 3 years is naive at best.  And is "factual" in that it fits your narrative.  Riley was the worst coach since Bill Jennnings.  Until Frost came along.....That would also be a fact, but doesn't fit your narrative so it's easily overlooked.  I get it.  Nobody wanted Frost to fail.  Or thought it would be this bad, but here we are year 4 with more questions than answers.  A lot of potential.  But it seems like that was the case every year.....

Again, this is and has beens Frost show from day 1.  You develop the kids you have.  You coach with what you have not with what you want.  If we give props to Bo's recruits for Frost's best year then how much of the miracle UCF season rests with the recruiting of O'Leary?  That magical season coaching acumen has yet to show up.

 
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