Transfer Portal?

lo country said:
Sums it up.  I'd add past 6, but you are correct.  
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Not to tear down pelinis reign too much as he did post 9 wins, BUT, gotta admit, some of those seasons we were pretty damn lucky in close games.  His 9 wins look great surface level and way better than today, but hot damn a lot of those couldve very easily gone the other way... coupled with the fact he always shat the bed on the big stage, might be more like 8-9 years we've collectively sucked a$$.  

Really cant honestly say I've been super proud of a team we've fielded since the back to back years of Suh's ending and first year of Taylor... if only that offense coulda played with Suh's defense... i love living in the past baabbyyyyyyyy

 
gossamorharpy said:
Not to tear down pelinis reign too much as he did post 9 wins, BUT, gotta admit, some of those seasons we were pretty damn lucky in close games.  His 9 wins look great surface level and way better than today, but hot damn a lot of those couldve very easily gone the other way... coupled with the fact he always shat the bed on the big stage, might be more like 8-9 years we've collectively sucked a$$.  

Really cant honestly say I've been super proud of a team we've fielded since the back to back years of Suh's ending and first year of Taylor... if only that offense coulda played with Suh's defense... i love living in the past baabbyyyyyyyy
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If Joe Ganz had that one more year of eligibility or TM was a year earlier we have another NC.  no doubt.  

 
lo country said:
If Joe Ganz had that one more year of eligibility or TM was a year earlier we have another NC.  no doubt.  
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Who are we picking in a coaching match up here.  

Coach 1: The love child spawned from one night gone wrong between all of the coaches over the past 20 years who has the recruiting chops of Billy C, the drinking proclivity  of franky s, the defensive chops and upside/downside of bo's temper in motivating his team but a being a loose cannon the sidelines along with bo's staff's proclivity of indulging in the devil's dandruff with booster wive's, sprinkled on top with frostys allure and hometown ties, all of this stirred together with rileys mr rodgers routine which is endearing to the fans.

or 

Coach 2- tom osborne

 
lo country said:
So......The best year that Frost had were because of Bo's kids?  The kids that played (or RS) the first year and then played 3 with Riley....So Bo was such a phenomenal coach that being in his presence for 1 year allowed them to weather the sh!tty coaching of Riley and Co.  And then allowed them to excel under Frost.  They were Pelini recruits for sure.  But to think that Riley didn't have any influence over them for 3 years is naive at best.  And is "factual" in that it fits your narrative.  Riley was the worst coach since Bill Jennnings.  Until Frost came along.....That would also be a fact, but doesn't fit your narrative so it's easily overlooked.  I get it.  Nobody wanted Frost to fail.  Or thought it would be this bad, but here we are year 4 with more questions than answers.  A lot of potential.  But it seems like that was the case every year.....

Again, this is and has beens Frost show from day 1.  You develop the kids you have.  You coach with what you have not with what you want.  If we give props to Bo's recruits for Frost's best year then how much of the miracle UCF season rests with the recruiting of O'Leary?  That magical season coaching acumen has yet to show up.
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You have quite the unique view of things 

 
With the Portal and transfer rules the way they are now, college football and the programs therein will not look the same in less than 5-7 yrs. 

It’s already been seen the last 3-4 yrs that there are 4-5 top tier programs that get solid 4&5 star recruits every year who aren’t hurt by transfers and portals. They get the top portal and transfer players IN and aren’t hurt by their 2nd and 3rd team players going OUT. Case in point T’o T’o going to Alabama after losing their top LB to the draft. 

Those top teams make the Playoff every year and keep everyone else out. 
 

stack on top of that, Image and Likeness payments and it only exacerbates the growing problem. 
 

it absolutely is a scratch and claw system for every other team to keep players, build from within, have a magical season come together, keep good coaches from leaving, and have a patient fan base.
 

Also: pay bigly for infrastructure upgrades, fan interest and excitement, build depth, have the administration on board, and show progress. 
 

I think the last paragraph suits us very well despite the challenges the portal and transfer rules bring every other team besides tOSU, Tide, Clemson, and OU.  We will be in that top tier where this “hard to recruit but easy to get out” won’t affect us to much in the very near future. 

 
gossamorharpy said:
Not to tear down pelinis reign too much as he did post 9 wins, BUT, gotta admit, some of those seasons we were pretty damn lucky in close games.  His 9 wins look great surface level and way better than today, but hot damn a lot of those couldve very easily gone the other way... coupled with the fact he always shat the bed on the big stage, might be more like 8-9 years we've collectively sucked a$$.  

Really cant honestly say I've been super proud of a team we've fielded since the back to back years of Suh's ending and first year of Taylor... if only that offense coulda played with Suh's defense... i love living in the past baabbyyyyyyyy
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Agree with you, but he did win those close games. Not sure how you factor luck in, but at least he made the best decisions to at least benefit from luck in the last quarter or even the final two minutes. 
 

I remember a number of games that a Frost mismanaged the final two minutes so badly that we couldn’t even get the benefit of luck. Just horrible coaching in the final two minutes. 
 

 
krc1995 said:
Agree with you, but he did win those close games. Not sure how you factor luck in, but at least he made the best decisions to at least benefit from luck in the last quarter or even the final two minutes. 
 

I remember a number of games that a Frost mismanaged the final two minutes so badly that we couldn’t even get the benefit of luck. Just horrible coaching in the final two minutes. 
 
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With Bo, he won the games he was supposed to win, but lost and lost big in the most high profile games he played. IMO, that was going to change if we had kept him on for a few more years. In his last year, we almost lost to a .500 Mcneese State. I mean its better than what we've been since he left, but we were trending down the last few Pelini years.

 
whateveritis1224 said:
With Bo, he won the games he was supposed to win, but lost and lost big in the most high profile games he played. IMO, that was going to change if we had kept him on for a few more years. In his last year, we almost lost to a .500 Mcneese State. I mean its better than what we've been since he left, but we were trending down the last few Pelini years.
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What way are we trending now? 

 
whateveritis1224 said:
Who knows, I was more commenting on where Bo left the program. Better than Riley, but not in the best place. Hold me down and I'd say we're probably trending up and I'm cautiously optimistic that we're going to have a good jump in wins this year.
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I am also optimistic that we are going to trend up (hard to trend lower than we have been). Bo was under duress the final 2-3 years as once Osborne left and Eichorst/Perlman got more involved, Bo's ownership of the program was constantly challenged. The staff mentioned it a handful of times in interviews the final couple years how recruiting was a challenge because of their contract situations and the AD's unwillingness to commit to the coaching staff. Despite this, he continued to win the nine games a year and was starting to gain a better foothold with the body types/style of play needed to compete in the Big Ten (examples: d-line recruits being bigger body, bigger RBs). Would have been interesting to see those 2015-2016 teams with junior & senior classes staying together under Bo & company.

 
whateveritis1224 said:
Who knows, I was more commenting on where Bo left the program. Better than Riley, but not in the best place. Hold me down and I'd say we're probably trending up and I'm cautiously optimistic that we're going to have a good jump in wins this year.
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Fingers crossed here too 

I think Riley was an ok in-game coach.  It’s the other areas of the game that passed him by, like strength and conditioning and recruiting. 
 

Bo was a good coach in a lot of aspects. We had a bunch of talent come through, but some might have residual from Callahan, who really could recruit his arse off. No one agrees with me so I’m wrong, but I think Callahan is very underrated. 
 

I have a few theories in the struggle of Frost, but none of them make total sense given his lineage, success as an assistant and as a head coach. 

 
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