Should we fire Satterfield??

ranch boy said:
I don't blame Rhule for not having a great answer prepared here. Who could have guessed someone would have asked such an odd question out of left field as "why isn't your terrible offense not working?"
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Ya, especially when the answer is, "my offensive coordinator sucks and I'm working on a way to professionally send him packing and my true freshman QB is playing like burnt dog s#!t."

 
huskerfan99 said:
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I get that the teams we play have an extra week to prepare for us, but like can't we look at our offense and scout ourselves and anticipate how they might adjust and attack? Isn't that coaching? Not to mention we played Indiana after a bye and that did not prove to be much of an issue for Indiana. 

 
Caliborn72 said:
If you’ve ever wondered why teams hire so many analysts, this is mostly what they do^. Self scouting.

If a team gets noticeably worse as the year goes on, there’s things on film that the defense is picking up on too easily. Tendencies, alignment, even the ways players are standing are tipping off opposing defenses.

I don’t have any issue with Rhule bringing outside help to fix it - that shows he understands the issue. My only concern is this was a noted problem for him on the Panthers as well.
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Didn’t the d squad BTN game commentator on Saturday point out that when Nebraska offensive tackles had their hand in the ground it’s a run and when they stand it’s a pass every time?  
 

glad this was noticed by a guy who’s calling his first Nebraska game all year and probably something our OL and OC coach hasn’t noticed at all

 
gossamorharpy said:
Glenn Thomas should be given the reins. Below is his track record, 2 of the stops were with Rhule and far surpasses anything brain dead satt has ever accomplished.
 

On satt- has no rhythm. We get things rolling and he thinks it’s a great time to trot out heinrich for a trick play.  The book has been out for 5 weeks on how to stop the offense- you simply blitz up the middle and press the receivers with little to no safety help and we look completely lost on now to respond.  We are now worst offensively than we were last year at this time in conference play.  
 

Glenn Thomas:

ARIZONA STATE:. He oversaw a rushing attack that saw Xavier Valladay notch the 10th-best rushing mark in school history with 1,192 yards and 16 touchdowns. Additionally, under Thomas’ tutelage, quarterbacks Trenton Bourget broke the ASU record for single-season completion percentage at 71.4 percent.

BAYLOR: Thomas was the co-offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Baylor from 2017 to 2019, assisting in transforming the program. In 2019 the Bears went 11-2 with a No. 7 ranking and a Sugar Bowl appearance. During Thomas’ three years in Waco, quarterback Charlie Brewer developed into one of the top quarterbacks in school history, throwing 69 touchdowns in three seasons and being named a semifinalist for the 2019 Davey O’Brien Award.

TEMPLE: Thomas worked with Rhule at Temple in 2015 and 2016. In two years with the Owls, one as quarterbacks coach and the second as offensive coordinator, Thomas helped the program post the school’s first back-to-back 10-win seasons and bowl berths and capture the 2016 American Athletic Conference title. The 2016 offense averaged 413.6 yards and 32.4 points per game under Thomas’ direction. As quarterbacks coach in 2015, Thomas mentored junior QB P.J. Walker, who threw for 3,295 yards and 22 touchdowns
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I mean this is some serious cherry picking of accolades. That Arizona State team went 3-9 and ranked 79th in PPG. I think it's telling that of the Baylor co-OCs it's the other guy who is still coordinating offenses. And you very conspicuously cut out his 2020-2021 at UNLV, where he took over a bad offense (67th/98th in PPG before he got there) and took it further down (120th/112th). I see no evidence that Thomas would do anything better than Satt.

But to me the biggest thing is I haven't seen the weekly growth from Raiola, and that is the sole reason Thomas is here. I am sure there's more development happening than we understand, he's a true freshman and teams have recently all had extra weeks to cook up some weird stuff.

But that pick-six is the most alarming to me regarding Thomas/Satt - you have the entire half to draw that play up and coach him on what is going to happen, and Raiola still doesn't take the wide open primary read seam route when it was there. As a random play in a game, you can put a misread on Raiola. Coming out of the half that's on the coaches. That had to be drawn up having a good idea of what the defense would do. Fine playcall, but if there's any play where you can convince the QB to just trust what is there and take the shot that's called, it's the first play of a half when you have more than ~20 seconds to talk to him about it.

 
Husker in WI said:
I mean this is some serious cherry picking of accolades. That Arizona State team went 3-9 and ranked 79th in PPG. I think it's telling that of the Baylor co-OCs it's the other guy who is still coordinating offenses. And you very conspicuously cut out his 2020-2021 at UNLV, where he took over a bad offense (67th/98th in PPG before he got there) and took it further down (120th/112th). I see no evidence that Thomas would do anything better than Satt.

But to me the biggest thing is I haven't seen the weekly growth from Raiola, and that is the sole reason Thomas is here. I am sure there's more development happening than we understand, he's a true freshman and teams have recently all had extra weeks to cook up some weird stuff.

But that pick-six is the most alarming to me regarding Thomas/Satt - you have the entire half to draw that play up and coach him on what is going to happen, and Raiola still doesn't take the wide open primary read seam route when it was there. As a random play in a game, you can put a misread on Raiola. Coming out of the half that's on the coaches. That had to be drawn up having a good idea of what the defense would do. Fine playcall, but if there's any play where you can convince the QB to just trust what is there and take the shot that's called, it's the first play of a half when you have more than ~20 seconds to talk to him about it.
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I'm not trying to make the point we're bringing in some offensive genius in week 10.  What I'm trying to say is we are in the absolute gutter offensively since halftime of the colorado game and it literally cannt get any worse.   Bring in some one else to call the plays for a simple reason to maybe have optimism and hopefully influence a nice boost.  Satt has not only had a long enough runway, he's completely ran this plane into a ditch.  I believe you said in the post i responded (sorry if im mixing it up), that who are we gonna elevate from the assistant/analyst spot, I was simply trying to point out we have a logical choice, who has worked with rhule, that might be the band aid fix we need to simply provide a much needed boost to get that final win out of our final 3 chances.  

I'm not saying we should then commit to this guy long term- i think we need to bring in a completely different voice and perspective across the board offensively this offseason.

 
Husker in WI said:
What are you expecting us to gain by firing people today? There is no one good available to just jump in and completely revamp an offense, so you're just promoting a position coach/analyst and I can't say I've been blown away by any of those coaches either.
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Accountability for one. Do your job or you're gone should be the message to the whole team.

Also, why did you bring in a Co-OC in the first place if you weren't preparing for this? Nobody has to jump in and revamp the offense. We need changes in play calling and concepts.

 
gossamorharpy said:
I'm not trying to make the point we're bringing in some offensive genius in week 10.  What I'm trying to say is we are in the absolute gutter offensively since halftime of the colorado game and it literally cannt get any worse.   Bring in some one else to call the plays for a simple reason to maybe have optimism and hopefully influence a nice boost.  Satt has not only had a long enough runway, he's completely ran this plane into a ditch.  I believe you said in the post i responded (sorry if im mixing it up), that who are we gonna elevate from the assistant/analyst spot, I was simply trying to point out we have a logical choice, who has worked with rhule, that might be the band aid fix we need to simply provide a much needed boost to get that final win out of our final 3 chances.  

I'm not saying we should then commit to this guy long term- i think we need to bring in a completely different voice and perspective across the board offensively this offseason.
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Got it, fair enough on not wanting long term. I just think it's quite likely that Thomas is as much the problem as Satterfield. So if we're going to shake things up just to shake things up might as well see if McGuire is the coaching savant Rhule claims he is an throw the playcalling to him. I don't like this idea, but if change is what we're after that would be more likely to have a noticeable impact (although probably negative) than swapping Satt/Thomas who I think are very similar.

ZRod said:
Accountability for one. Do your job or you're gone should be the message to the whole team.

Also, why did you bring in a Co-OC in the first place if you weren't preparing for this? Nobody has to jump in and revamp the offense. We need changes in play calling and concepts.
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How is changing the concepts that we run not a revamp? Co-OC was brought in to work with the QBs, not take over the offense - and I would say he has not done a great job. I also want change, but I think there's a very slim chance it helps us in the immediate future and a decent chance the instability hurts us. Do it at the end of the year for sure, but now is pointless IMO.

 
ZRod said:
It's pretty common at all levels, but it's usually done on obvious passing downs. Tackles need all the help they can get against edge rushers.
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yah the standing part isnt necessarily out of the ordinary, but if they setting up in a 3 point stance solely when its a run, thats a major issue.  any average lineman should be able to block, either run or pass out of 3 point, and its a pretty blatant tell to the defense what we're gonna run if its solely being used on a run play

 
Husker in WI said:
How is changing the concepts that we run not a revamp? Co-OC was brought in to work with the QBs, not take over the offense - and I would say he has not done a great job. I also want change, but I think there's a very slim chance it helps us in the immediate future and a decent chance the instability hurts us. Do it at the end of the year for sure, but now is pointless IMO.
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Because you don't need to change the whole playbook. We have some really good play designs but we need someone who can get the offense in a rythme with their calls, set up plays jets/PA/counters/etc, and simplify the passing game. That's what I mean by concepts.

Why give a guy a Co-OC title then? An even worse choice.

 
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