The 2024 Election —What did we learn?

Crusader Husker said:
Gen Z is an interesting group.  I had read the week before the election the group was leaning right.
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I wonder if it is because of true ideology, or just because of social media.  It is not in doubt that the right has created a powerful grassroots movement in the current digital media age.  I know Harris had Swift and other "stars" behind her, but I don't think a lot of kids are swayed by that.  It's not really cool to be simple.  In my experience talking to students, they think they are more informed because they are listening to fringes instead of mainstream.  And the right dominates the fringes.

 
nic said:
Maybe GenZ knows who to blame for the remote learning and generally making life suck.  :)

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2024/11/gen-z-woke-myth-election/680653/

But that progressive reputation was called into question when Donald Trump won last week’s presidential election—partly thanks, it seems, to Gen Z, which encompasses voters ages 18 to 27. Exit polls and county-by-county analyses, however imprecise, indicated that young voters had shifted right since 2020. That’s especially true for young men—most of all young white men, who made up one of Trump’s most supportive cohorts. Democrats also lost ground with young women, though. According to some national exit-poll data, the party’s lead among 18-to-29-year-olds was cut nearly in half. And county data (which are considered more reliable, though still imperfect) indicate that counties with large populations of 18-to-34-year-olds moved 5.6 points rightward since the 2020 election.
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You mean the remote learning that became a thing under Trump??

 
funhusker said:
I wonder if it is because of true ideology, or just because of social media.  It is not in doubt that the right has created a powerful grassroots movement in the current digital media age.  I know Harris had Swift and other "stars" behind her, but I don't think a lot of kids are swayed by that.  It's not really cool to be simple.  In my experience talking to students, they think they are more informed because they are listening to fringes instead of mainstream.  And the right dominates the fringes.
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Social media IMO influences you based on how you want to be influenced. If you want to be leftist, you'll go down the leftist rabbit hole. If you want to be a right-wing nut job, you'll go down that rabbit hole. I don't really know how much it necessarily sways people but it definitely ingratiates them further into their current feelings, especially pre-dispositioned ones.

I know young men, particularly young white man, are feeling attracted to the Republican party because they perceive the party to care about them and their interests more than the Democrats. And sure, we can talk all day about how privileged young men (particularly young white men) tend to be compared to minorities and other groups, but politics is an emotional entity moreso than it is a logical one.

And I agree with you about the Democrats' proclivity for pushing celebrities onto us in their campaigns and paid media. Seeing that Taylor Swift, Beyonce, and Eminem support Harris... it does nothing for me. And I love Eminem. But those people and their realities and their priorities are so far removed from mine that it honestly feels condescending moreso than it does empowering.

 
Yes, yes you did. You saw him constantly on the campaign trail with Trump. It was reported before the election that he would a part of his administration. 
 


 
1. Obama wasn't a criminal, nor a rapist. He was (and is) a good man, and a damned good president.

2. Republicans did not "stand behind Obama." They went apes#!t and elected - twice! - the worst person to occupy the Oval Office in American history.

https://bsky.app/profile/georgetakei.bsky.social/post/3lb3ipjsbmc2u

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knapplc said:
1. Obama wasn't a criminal, nor a rapist. He was (and is) a good man, and a damned good president.

2. Republicans did not "stand behind Obama." They went apes#!t and elected - twice! - the worst person to occupy the Oval Office in American history.

https://bsky.app/profile/georgetakei.bsky.social/post/3lb3ipjsbmc2u

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This doesn't even warrant a response. They're professional gaslighters. Trump spent 4 years saying the election was stolen and all his supporters believed him.

Also, I believe most people got behind Trump from November 2015-January 2016. We were told he was just acting the way he acts for the campaign, and that he'd act presidential. I hoped they were right. Then he threw a tantrum over crowd size to start off and things got progressively worse from there.

 
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This Democrat learned something...

https://www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/seth-moulton-trans-athletes-democrats/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=17317981838238&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fboston%2Fnews%2Fseth-moulton-trans-athletes-democrats%2F

"I have two little girls, I don't want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat I'm supposed to be afraid to say that," Moulton told The Times.

And out came the pitchforks.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/democrats-planning-replace-seth-moulton-after-speaking-out-against-trans-athletes

Salem Democratic City Committee chair Liz Bradt told the Globe that she had heard from "several" people in the area who were considering running against him in Massachusetts’ Sixth District.

"We will find someone to run against him and win," Bradt said. 

"I certainly am calling on Seth Moulton to resign and will be supporting any Democrat and LGBT ally that runs against him," Davis said. 

"It’s a democracy. If you want to run against me, go for it," Moulton said, but added that it was "not going to be very helpful for winning elections."

"What we need to do is defeat Republicans, not fellow Democrats."

 
Barack Obama sucked as a president.
- Obama started more wars than the Bushes.
- Obama deregulated like Bill Clinton.

- Obama was the "Deporter in Chief".

- Obama's "No Drama' mantra was his war on whistleblowers.

- Obama legalized funding for Gain of Function Research in his lame duck days.

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
Can someone point me to the number of little girls being run over former male athletes, and how many times it would have to happen to become a national issue? 
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As you should be able to tell by the reality we live in, the number of times it happens has zero correlation towards whether it becomes a national issue. 

Even if it happened zero times, the self-generating media fear apparatus would invent murky and false details about an actual woman to be turned into a trans issue. 

 
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