Elon Musk Nazi Salute

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@Enhancewould this be a better place? What you continue to ignore is the context. You keep saying well he probably didn't do that look other people have made the same movement but did the other people also continually signal boost fringe extremist with nazi beliefs? Double down on the action afterwards with jokes of the holocaust? Within context the most likely conclusion is the man did a nazi salute as a dog whistle to other people with similar beliefs telling them we are here now. Should we wait until he does more egregious stuff to say "well you know what, maybe it was a nazi salute" the man has told us who he is we should probably just listen at this point. 

 
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@Enhancewould this be a better place? What you continue to ignore is the context. You keep saying well he probably didn't do that look other people have made the same movement but did the other people also continually signal boost fringe extremist with nazi beliefs? Double down on the action afterwards with jokes of the holocaust? Within context the most likely conclusion is the man did a nazi salute as a dog whistle to other people with similar beliefs telling them we are here now. Should we wait until he does more egregious stuff to say "well you know what, maybe it was a nazi salute" the man has told us who he is we should probably just listen at this point. 
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I didn't ignore the context:
 

Enhance said:
I agree Musk continuing to be a dumbass after the fact is germane, particularly given the disappointing associations between the Republican party and Nazis.

While I agree, I was replying to a comment that was isolated specifically to the gesture and ironically asking why everyone else doesn't do it. Everybody knows the gesture was stupid, but largely seemed unfortunate and unintentional. IMO it really only becomes relevant once we step outside the vacuum of the movement itself and take all the other factors that you mentioned into account.
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In summary, my point was that - in a vacuum - I didn't really think his movement was as egregious as some are making it out to be. However, when taken into context with some of the unfortunate associations of the Republican party and Nazis, as well as some of the stupid things he said/did in the days following, it is all a bad look.

 
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Enhance said:
I didn't ignore the context:
 

In summary, my point was that - in a vacuum - I didn't really think his movement was as egregious as some are making it out to be. However, when taken into context with some of the unfortunate associations of the Republican party and Nazis, as well as some of the stupid things he said/did in the days following, it is all a bad look.
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But there is no reason to look at the action in a vacuum. Why would you look at it in a vacuum? It's clear what he was doing and obfuscating the point doesn't do anything to help combat the very real threat we face. 

 
Enhance said:
In summary, my point was that - in a vacuum - I didn't really think his movement was as egregious as some are making it out to be. However, when taken into context with some of the unfortunate associations of the Republican party and Nazis, as well as some of the stupid things he said/did in the days following, it is all a bad look.
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When self proclaimed white supremacists come out proclaim that it was a nazi salute, maybe we should pay attention.


 
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But there is no reason to look at the action in a vacuum. Why would you look at it in a vacuum? It's clear what he was doing and obfuscating the point doesn't do anything to help combat the very real threat we face. 
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So you admit I acknowledged the context? Cool.

I was responding to someone making an ironic joke about the salute, so I made a comment specifically in response to that and was talking about the salute. Seems like our opinions on it all really aren't that different, although it feels like you're really trying to find something to argue about.

 
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Enhance said:
So you admit I acknowledged the context? Cool.

I was responding to someone making an ironic joke about the salute, so I made a comment specifically in response to that and was talking about the salute. Seems like our opinions on it all really aren't that different, although it feels like you're really trying to find something to argue about.
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Where did I say that? I asked you why you would look at the action in a vacuum in the first place which is strange imo. If you took that as an admittance that's really twisting what I said. I am curious why you feel the need to obscure the issue by looking at it in a vacuum as if that has an actual bearing on what happened in reality.

 
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Where did I say that? I asked you why you would look at the action in a vacuum in the first place which is strange imo. If you took that as an admittance that's really twisting what I said. I am curious why you feel the need to obscure the issue by looking at it in a vacuum as if that has an actual bearing on what happened in reality.
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You literally said in your OP that I was ignoring the context lol... I wasn't. Someone made a joke specifically about the salute, I replied with a comment specifically about the salute. I then went on to acknowledge the problematic nature of it all given the wider context. You then hopped in here accusing me of ignoring the context.

You're really trying to stretch this into something isn't. I think I've amply acknowledged the overall problematic nature of what Musk did, the optics and the context. It's not a good look. Not sure I can say anything else at this point.

 
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You literally said in your OP that I was ignoring the context lol... I wasn't. Someone made a joke specifically about the salute, I replied with a comment specifically about the salute. I then went on to acknowledge the problematic nature of it all given the wider context. You then hopped in here accusing me of ignoring the context.

You're really trying to stretch this into something isn't. I think I've amply acknowledged the overall problematic nature of what Musk did, the optics and the context. It's not a good look. Not sure I can say anything else at this point.
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Just don't get why you can't call it what it was which is a nazi salute. You've been extremely avoidant to label it as such and have gone as far as to use what about ism comparing it to things that aren't even remotely the same. It's just weird tbh. Maybe I'm making too big of a deal about it but frankly I don't play when it comes to nazi salutes. This is as serious as it gets and should be condemned in the most vigorous fashion imo. Playing the what if game doesn't help at all even if you did acknowledge it's a bad look later. You still haven't called it what it is which is a nazi salute. You seem to be giving the benefit of the doubt which is pretty dangerous in situations such as these. Again, just my opinion. 

 
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Maybe I'm making too big of a deal about it
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Yep.   Might as well close the thread now :)  

It wasn’t a Nazi Salute, Elon is a spaz who loves to troll after the fact (I don’t think he was trolling on convention night, it was just him being a weirdo acknowledging his appreciation of voters and that’s about it.   

 
Archy1221 said:
Yep.   Might as well close the thread now :)  

It wasn’t a Nazi Salute, Elon is a spaz who loves to troll after the fact (I don’t think he was trolling on convention night, it was just him being a weirdo acknowledging his appreciation of voters and that’s about it.   
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@Enhance and this is why it's a bad idea to give any credence to the idea that "maybe he didn't do it on purpose" yes, in fact he did. It was a nazi salute and the more you defend it the worse you look. I will never ever forget or let go frankly it is absolutely  abominable this was allowed to happen

 
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