Trump’s Accomplishments…at levels never seen before (2025 version)
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Archy1221
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Well I didn’t really get an answer to my question and for some reason you didn’t ask him for an answer as you did with me? After I answer your question, I assume you will be posting and asking Strangelove for an answer too? Right?
The Trump Admin actions as it pertains to USAID should follow the provisions in the constitution. The funding measures for USAID by my understanding have some latitude how SOME of that money is spent or a timeline of when it is spent. There may not be SPECIFIC line items for the money as it was for Border barriers money. Trump Admin should not be able to fold an entire Congressionally created Agency without Congress acting. Folding some responsibilities into State may not violate that provision.
ANYTHING that people or politicians claim Trump Admin is doing illegally should put in an immediate lawsuit to get it stopped. Some of the things being manufactured as outrage are most likely NOT illegal and just presented as illegal by people trying to make a point because they are having a sad that the slush funds are being looked at.
Dr. Strangelove
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What is he supposed to do, express that violating the Constitution is okay?
The only option Republican voters have is to rationalize the actions of their party by (poorly) linking parallels to when "Democrats did it", like they're doing in this thread now.
Was the Biden Administration's handling of border funding and wall building anything close to what Republicans are letting Elon Musk do? I mean, not in the same universe. But the only option for Republican voters is to:
1. Admit their support of the party is extremely dangerous to America and has roots in un-American Authoritarianism they support by proxy.
2. Employ selective cognitive dissonance and blame the other side.
They're going to choose #2 every time.
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Lorewarn
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I don't know that strangelove didn't have the same reaction years ago, and you already asked him, so I feel no need to ask him a loaded question about what he may or may not have thought then. As to the facts of it, Biden spent some time trying to get Congress and the courts to change things, failed, and then acquiesced using the money as it was mandated to be used.
"Trump should follow the constitution" is, frankly, such a weak declaration. Your opinion is that people should follow laws? Wow, so brave.
Also FYI, while there will always be some easy caricature targets of people "having a sad" for lazy low-level or programmed tribal reasons, there are also a lot of folks sad because of very legitimate reasons. We've already touched on the unconstitutional bit, but there are others. I personally know more than a dozen folks suddenly left jobless in the last few days, most all of whom are dedicated humanitarians and/or scientists working on things like preventing and treating HIV/AIDS and polio, providing access to clean water, and helping malnourished kids get nutritious school meals in vulnerable and under-developed parts of the world.
I have zero doubt that there are definitely elements of waste and fraud occurring in USAID programs and partnerships, and I am so entirely in favor of reforming it and any and all other systems and institutions that are being misused by bad actors. But reforming is different than burning to the ground, and yeah, my heart is heavy for my friends and the people who are drastically impacted in a positive way by their work who have all been deemed acceptable collateral damage.
Will it all be worth it eventually? I doubt it, I don't know, and god i f#&%ing hope so. Certainly doesn't feel anything more than callous and empty "thoughts and prayers" when I talk with them.
Scarlet
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Next up for selective cognitive dissonance: justifying ethnic cleansing and how that isn't a hallmark of fascist regimes.
https://www.reuters.com/world/palestinians-have-no-alternative-leaving-gaza-trump-says-2025-02-04/
"President Donald Trump on Tuesday suggested permanently displacing Palestinians from Gaza, saying people there had no alternative but to leave the Palestinian enclave devastated by Israel's military assault.
He has since reiterated that plan at least four times, including on Tuesday when he said Palestinians in Gaza could go to other countries beyond Jordan and Egypt as well.
Jordan, Egypt and other Arab nations, as well as Palestinian leaders, have publicly rejected the idea that critics say would amount to ethnic cleansing."
https://www.reuters.com/world/palestinians-have-no-alternative-leaving-gaza-trump-says-2025-02-04/
"President Donald Trump on Tuesday suggested permanently displacing Palestinians from Gaza, saying people there had no alternative but to leave the Palestinian enclave devastated by Israel's military assault.
He has since reiterated that plan at least four times, including on Tuesday when he said Palestinians in Gaza could go to other countries beyond Jordan and Egypt as well.
Jordan, Egypt and other Arab nations, as well as Palestinian leaders, have publicly rejected the idea that critics say would amount to ethnic cleansing."
commando
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funhusker
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JJ Husker
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Not that I give Trump credit for anything beyond kow towing to Israel but, if the Palestinians could be given some land away from Israel or absorbed into other regional Arab countries, it sure could solve about 3000 years worth of problems. IMO it’s a bit hyperbolic to compare this to ethnic cleansing. Relocation is not the same as extermination or genocide. As long as Israel and Palestinians are in close proximity to each other there will be war and problems. That’s just a historically proven fact. They are never going to coexist peacefully.
teachercd
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There are still weirdos that think the issue over there is only a few decades old.
It is like I have said and like you just said, this is 3000+ years old.
Scarlet
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It's the definition of ethnic cleansing
https://www.britannica.com/topic/ethnic-cleansing
"ethnic cleansing, the attempt to create ethnically homogeneous geographic areas through the deportation or forcible displacement of persons belonging to particular ethnic groups."
Scarlet
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:facepalm:
We're going to invade, occupy, develop and the make Gaza into a world community utopia? Would this fall under MAGA's "endless wars"?
It's hard work spinning this guy. This has to just be a distraction from our own constitutional crisis but still
We're going to invade, occupy, develop and the make Gaza into a world community utopia? Would this fall under MAGA's "endless wars"?
It's hard work spinning this guy. This has to just be a distraction from our own constitutional crisis but still
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Archy1221
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Why would I answer your question”loaded question” then (even though I went ahead and did so) when it’s the same basic question.
No, he decided to ignore Congress and only defended their actions in court once pressed which is different meaning than “trying to get the courts to change things”
I didn’t think it was brave but thanks. Would you have preferred someone saying “not follow the constitution?”
It really does suck for anyone to be out of a job, but it sounds like they are really good people and will be in great demand in the private sector and do great work.
I personally know of 6 companies looking to hire multiple scientific personnel for various job openings. They should be in high demand.
RedDenver
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Lorewarn
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That's one of the definitions of ethnic cleansing. It doesn't have to be genocide, just a systematic and forced removal of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group.
But regardless, let's run with the idea. Who's land are you going to steal to give to the Palestinians? We feel good about them being on board with that, since (if you want to say it's the same conflict for the last 3,000 years) this modern incarnation of the conflict in the Palestinian imagination was essentially the same thing - a group's land taken away to give to another group.
They were in the private sector.
BigRedBuster
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