Trump’s Accomplishments…at levels never seen before (2025 version)

BigRedBuster said:
Just to be clear.  According to Trump, it must be Biden that accomplished this
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Maybe so.   People can give credit wherever they want.  Or people can give blame wherever they want.  Politician’s of all stripes seem to do this take credit and give blame thing.   Either way it seems like good news and if the tariff nonsense goes away we may have something this year.  

 
Archy1221 said:
Maybe so.   People can give credit wherever they want.  Or people can give blame wherever they want.  Politician’s of all stripes seem to do this take credit and give blame thing.   Either way it seems like good news and if the tariff nonsense goes away we may have something this year.  
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Yes.  In reality, it's not a cut and dried date of....well, after January 20th, everything is great because of Trump....or the other way too.  There are certain situations where an administration can do things that immediately affect the country.  But, normally that doesn't happen.  They take time for the affects to be realized.  Yes...Trump's tariff actions are having immediate affect on the stock market.  But, the long term affects will take time to realize....good or bad.

That's the same with immigration policies.  We really don't know yet how those will affect the economy.  I don't think they have had any macro affect yet.  However, they are starting to raid more job sites rounding up people and deporting them.  That can have a negative affect on the economy if construction and farming are widely negatively affected.

 
BigRedBuster said:
That's the same with immigration policies.  We really don't know yet how those will affect the economy.  I don't think they have had any macro affect yet.  However, they are starting to raid more job sites rounding up people and deporting them.  That can have a negative affect on the economy if construction and farming are widely negatively affected.
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Don’t care.   Border security is one of the few fundamental tasks of the federal government and it needed to be addressed.   Far far far too many people were allowed to illegally come across the previous four years.  Sending them back is excellent way to get control of the situation and show future illegal crossings won’t be tolerated.  The days of being released for years while the incompetent legal system tries to evaluate if someone crossed illegally should be over 

 
Archy1221 said:
Don’t care.   Border security is one of the few fundamental tasks of the federal government and it needed to be addressed.   Far far far too many people were allowed to illegally come across the previous four years.  Sending them back is excellent way to get control of the situation and show future illegal crossings won’t be tolerated.  The days of being released for years while the incompetent legal system tries to evaluate if someone crossed illegally should be over 
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That's your freedom to have your own opinion.

But, my point is, we won't know the affects on the economy taking those out of these jobs for a while.

I'm glad you don't care about the economy as long as those horrible people are not a part of our country anymore.

 
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Archy1221 said:
It’s strange you call them horrible.   
 

They can come.   Just do it legally.   Not too much to ask now is it?   
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So THEY have to do it legally (which I agree with btw) but when it comes to due process and deporting people WE don’t have to do it “legally”?

 
JJ Husker said:
So THEY have to do it legally (which I agree with btw) but when it comes to due process and deporting people WE don’t have to do it “legally”?
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So, THEY have to do it legally and WE need to deport legally.   
 

DUE PROCESS also shouldn’t take 3-5 years while the people who broke the law coming in roam around with little to no consequence.   It’s kinda why people feel so emboldened to skirt our immigration laws.  👍

 
Archy1221 said:
So, THEY have to do it legally and WE need to deport legally.   
 

DUE PROCESS also shouldn’t take 3-5 years while the people who broke the law coming in roam around with little to no consequence.   It’s kinda why people feel so emboldened to skirt our immigration laws.  👍
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I totally agree.

So by deductive reasoning, shouldn’t Trump be giving the courts and immigration the resources to handle these cases more expeditiously (you know, legally with due process) instead of throwing due process out the window and ignoring the courts and acting like an autocrat that isn’t answerable to anyone?

Isn’t he in effect placing the blame and hardship on people who are due due process while it is really our government to blame because we have failed to keep them out and to commit the required resources to deal with the problem in a timely manner?

 
JJ Husker said:
So by deductive reasoning, shouldn’t Trump be giving the courts and immigration the resources to handle these cases more expeditiously (you know, legally with due process)
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No I don’t believe so.  It’s my understanding that Congress has the power of the purse.   And with that said, do you believe that Democrats would allow the Senate to get to the 60 vote threshold if a stand alone spending bill was passed through the house that did nothing else but fund more immigration judges?   I certainly don’t.  
 

JJ Husker said:
Isn’t he in effect placing the blame and hardship on people who are due due process while it is really our government to blame because we have failed to keep them out and to commit the required resources to deal with the problem in a timely manner?
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In some sense yes, for those that were deported WITHOUT a deportation order, but also in a way no.   Far too many use the asylum process in a way it’s not meant to be used so f#&% them because it ends up hurting those that truly need the asylum process.  And at this point, people who cross illegally must know that jail or deportation is the legal likely outcome so they are doing it to themselves by crossing over illegally anyways 
 

 
Archy1221 said:
No I don’t believe so.  It’s my understanding that Congress has the power of the purse.   And with that said, do you believe that Democrats would allow the Senate to get to the 60 vote threshold if a stand alone spending bill was passed through the house that did nothing else but fund more immigration judges?   I certainly don’t.  
 

In some sense yes, for those that were deported WITHOUT a deportation order, but also in a way no.   Far too many use the asylum process in a way it’s not meant to be used so f#&% them because it ends up hurting those that truly need the asylum process.  And at this point, people who cross illegally must know that jail or deportation is the legal likely outcome so they are doing it to themselves by crossing over illegally anyways 
 
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That’s a legitimate opinion to have. But it’s very inconsistent to claim you are for due process and following the law while simultaneously saying f#&% due process because….list of excuses.

You’re either for the law and due process or you are not. I’ll take it that your detailed explanation is your true position and that “I’m for due process and the law” is just lip service so you can say you said it.

 
JJ Husker said:
That’s a legitimate opinion to have. But it’s very inconsistent to claim you are for due process and following the law while simultaneously saying f#&% due process because….list of excuses.

You’re either for the law and due process or you are not. I’ll take it that your detailed explanation is your true position and that “I’m for due process and the law” is just lip service so you can say you said it.
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I certainly can see how you take it as inconsistent.   And I’m fine with it.   
 

It’s probably just as inconsistent as so many saying you are either for the law and due process or you are not…..and then say someone who has been living here with an active deportation order for 10 years who has a job and a family shouldn’t still be deported because it’s been 10 years and all is well.   Either follow the law and be for the deportation or be inconsistent.   Because those of some of the stories we are getting in the news that have people up in arms, while also screaming due process…just don’t follow it in those cases.   

 
Ultimately, our government shipping folks off to private foreign gulags to disappear forever, rather than just send them away (but still free) is a stain on the history of this country.

Some of those folks having only committed the crime of coming here illegally is a further stain.

Some of those folks having actually come here legally and done literally nothing illegal is about as bloody of a stain as you can imagine that might not ever wash out. 

What's our modern American version of, "First they came for ____, and I said nothing"?

 
Archy1221 said:
So, THEY have to do it legally and WE need to deport legally.   
 

DUE PROCESS also shouldn’t take 3-5 years while the people who broke the law coming in roam around with little to no consequence.   It’s kinda why people feel so emboldened to skirt our immigration laws.  👍
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Interesting....when they are literally arresting and deporting people who came here through legal channels and are showing up to court houses at their scheduled court dates to continue the legal process as it is required.

 
BigRedBuster said:
Interesting....when they are literally arresting and deporting people who came here through legal channels and are showing up to court houses at their scheduled court dates to continue the legal process as it is required.
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I’m not sure why you are replying to me with this?   

 
Archy1221 said:
I’m not sure why you are replying to me with this?   
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Because you act like the only people they are doing this with are people who came here illegally and somehow are skirting the system to hurt our country.

Also, just whimsically cancelling visas of people who have come here legally....but happen to go to a University that hurt your feelings.  It's pretty pathetic to think our country is doing this.  It's not what we should be as a country.

 
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