What Did We Learn? - Michigan

Miami, among others, came calling $$$$ for Raiola before they got Carson Beck “Igor” from Georgia. They might be on to something idk. Igor wasn’t their first pick
 
Hilltop said:
What would Tony's defense look like without Ty and Nash? Our guys were in place to make the plays on most of the plays that hurts us. They just missed tackles or took bad angles, or just weren't fast enough. In general our defense was very successful except for 3 plays and that was with lesser talent. I tend to feel the coaching is there, we are just missing the key talent.
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You're bordering on making a straw man out of what I wrote. You're making it into something I didn't write.

Of course, graduating Robinson and Hutmacher hurts this year's team immensely. But we don't know who might have stayed if Tony White stayed out of the guys that transferred out.

And also, Tony brought the intensity. I can't prove to you that John Butler has a significantly lower intensity level he's bringing to the defensive side of the ball. Can't prove it, but I personally tend to think that it's a significant factor, personally.
 
Undone said:
You're bordering on making a straw man out of what I wrote. You're making it into something I didn't write.

Of course, graduating Robinson and Hutmacher hurts this year's team immensely. But we don't know who might have stayed if Tony White stayed out of the guys that transferred out.

And also, Tony brought the intensity. I can't prove to you that John Butler has a significantly lower intensity level he's bringing to the defensive side of the ball. Can't prove it, but I personally tend to think that it's a significant factor, personally.
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Fair point, but the loss of those two was going to be noticeable, no matter who was coaching the defense.
 
Went back and watched this game. Twice actually.
I’ll digress on the porous O-line (it was bad).
We have no run game, calling plays for runs doesn’t mean we emphasize it. Dylan needs to chuck it out of bounds sometimes to save a sack. etc etc….

Then, I went back and watched a bunch of games from 97-09. Yeah I get it we had the most and greatest generational talent at DL ever (who got robbed of the Heisman btw). E had a punishing run game, yeah we had early Bo shut down.

We started Cody Greene against OU in 09. We had Zac Lee and a Primadonna McCaffrey get snaps. As a starter.
Kelllog was a starter for us. Tanner Lee, Zac Taylor. All really Huskers but not gonna hang my hat on them as 9-11 game winners.

Short story long, it’s been a very long minute for Nebraska to cheer for a really really good QB. YES, as a true sophomore he’s not gonna look like what we want as overall team success.
But when we can make tackle in the open field (Buford) f’ing block someone (our tackles) and get a nice bruiser to get goal line TDs, we are where we are.
It’s so damn hard to win games at D1.

But Raiola is showing us something we haven’t seen since Martinez, Taylor…just some f’ing moxie

Also, block better. Tackle better. Beat the f out of the other team.
 
People need to remember/realize something here.

The next step in the rebuild isn't beating the teams ahead of us.

The next step in the rebuild is beating all the teams below us.

You can't become an OSU without becoming a PSU first. Franklin gets crap on plenty, but they win 10-11+ each year, which is how many teams they're better than each year. We're barely removed from losing to Georgia Southern and struggling against UNI. Does anyone feel like that's the case anymore?

We'll check back in soon, because the next four games are games we should win, and winning those is proof of the process and the development and getting better, but how many of you (who probably guessed at a max reg. season win total of MAYBE 10 but probably 8-9) would be grumpy about being 7-1 a month from now?
 
But…we’ve been exposed.

The coaches in the B1G are really good.
We can’t run the ball and we cannot stop the run. Check Cincy and M as a rule.

Our offense seems like it could score 21-27 points a game. Which should win us some games.
But when the opponents can run for 5.9ypc, and we give up 3-5 sacks per game, we have no shot.
It’s in the trenches.
I will say, and I’m very pleased about this, we don’t seem to turn the ball over as much.
 
Undone said:
But we don't know who might have stayed if Tony White stayed out of the guys that transferred out.

And also, Tony brought the intensity. I can't prove to you that John Butler has a significantly lower intensity level he's bringing to the defensive side of the ball. Can't prove it, but I personally tend to think that it's a significant factor, personally.
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We can wonder that, but White was never coming back for this year. FSU didn't "steal" him from us, he was going to be employed somewhere else no matter what.

There was a lot of tension behind the scenes between Rhule and him last year. Rhule/Snow were very hands on with how they wanted the defense to work. White was not a fan of that (as one would be).
 
Red Five said:
We can wonder that, but White was never coming back for this year. FSU didn't "steal" him from us, he was going to be employed somewhere else no matter what.

There was a lot of tension behind the scenes between Rhule and him last year. Rhule/Snow were very hands on with how they wanted the defense to work. White was not a fan of that (as one would be).
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Benning swears this is incorrect, but moving to Tallahassee to be closer to family in the Keys is unquestionably an excuse, not a reason. That will probably become clear when he accepts a head job. Add Cooper & Knighton joining him and it quacks like a duck.

At the end of the day White had his pro's & con's and he was leaving sooner rather than later regardless. I personally like Butler's approach to coverage much better. White was pretty str8 forward in that regard despite all the movement up front. I think Butler's scheme is more diverse and disruptive on the back end. The next 4 should give us a clearer picture.
 
floridacorn said:
Benning swears this is incorrect, but moving to Tallahassee to be closer to family in the Keys is unquestionably an excuse, not a reason. That will probably become clear when he accepts a head job. Add Cooper & Knighton joining him and it quacks like a duck.

At the end of the day White had his pro's & con's and he was leaving sooner rather than later regardless. I personally like Butler's approach to coverage much better. White was pretty str8 forward in that regard despite all the movement up front. I think Butler's scheme is more diverse and disruptive on the back end. The next 4 should give us a clearer picture.
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Totally agree with that last sentence.

We haven't let a team do anything to us through the air. Which is great. But then Cincinnati rushed for 202 yards and Michigan rushed for 308. So like, we definitively have a big problem against the run.

It'll be all too easy to just write the whole season off with the excuse that the talent and the body types just aren't there in the front 7. But, people did the same thing in the weeks after the Georgia Southern debacle and Frost's firing...and then it became abundantly clear that the problem was much more coaching than it was talent.

It is a different scenario right now with our front 7 being young and really needing another year in the weight room and eating steak/eggs/the most expensive protein shakes money can buy.

But, Butler still needs to figure something out, or else this season will really be a waste of all of the great things we have going on with the offensive side of the ball.
 
floridacorn said:
Benning swears this is incorrect, but moving to Tallahassee to be closer to family in the Keys is unquestionably an excuse, not a reason. That will probably become clear when he accepts a head job. Add Cooper & Knighton joining him and it quacks like a duck.

At the end of the day White had his pro's & con's and he was leaving sooner rather than later regardless. I personally like Butler's approach to coverage much better. White was pretty str8 forward in that regard despite all the movement up front. I think Butler's scheme is more diverse and disruptive on the back end. The next 4 should give us a clearer picture.
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Tallahasee to Key West is a 10 hour drive. I doubt he uprooted his life just to save $100 and an hour or two on a plane from Tallahassee vs Omaha
 
Street Novelist said:
Man, there is an awful lot of coping in this thread. Saying we almost won if not for a play or two...this isn't Pop Warner. There are no such things as moral victories. There won't be an asterisk next to the score.

If we're being honest, if Michigan had a competent coach, they call a timeout and make us punt at the end of the 2nd quarter; no hail mary touchdown. And then there's the o-line; they were atrocious. Teddy was the biggest violator, but Corcoran wasn't great either. Pritchett was underwhelming, to put it lightly.

To sum up, we need a massive upgrade in talent. We aren't beating anyone worth a damn without doing so. Cincinnati, Houston Christian and Akron do not count.
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Ah, yes. It is tragic for fans to find something good and ... *gasp* ... think/hope that their team might improve going forward.

Only those who insist we are terrible unless we win every game (except winning those games that don't count) are those truly worthy of being able to post on message boards and have an opinion.
 
Mavric said:
Ah, yes. It is tragic for fans to find something good and ... *gasp* ... think/hope that their team might improve going forward.

Only those who insist we are terrible unless we win every game (except winning those games that don't count) are those truly worthy of being able to post on message boards and have an opinion.
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That's a gross over-exaggeration.
 
Undone said:
Totally agree with that last sentence.

We haven't let a team do anything to us through the air. Which is great. But then Cincinnati rushed for 202 yards and Michigan rushed for 308. So like, we definitively have a big problem against the run.

It'll be all too easy to just write the whole season off with the excuse that the talent and the body types just aren't there in the front 7. But, people did the same thing in the weeks after the Georgia Southern debacle and Frost's firing...and then it became abundantly clear that the problem was much more coaching than it was talent.

It is a different scenario right now with our front 7 being young and really needing another year in the weight room and eating steak/eggs/the most expensive protein shakes money can buy.

But, Butler still needs to figure something out, or else this season will really be a waste of all of the great things we have going on with the offensive side of the ball.
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Agree. To date I don't see evidence it's a Bo like issue where he's stubbornly playing coverage at the expense of run support. I didn't like seeing the entire middle of the field vacated vs that RPO on Underwood's TD, but one play is not the same as watching a QB who can't pass continually run all over you because you won't compromise your backend coverage principles.
 
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