Sipple: 8-4 reasonable

The only comment I have on that is, when Blake was fired, most felt who ever got the Oklahoma job had the talent to compete with anyone. Most felt there was NC talent on the team.

Unfortunately Bo does not have those comments, much less the talent.

This is going to be a tough two or three years I am afraid. And I agree with Jayhawk, too hight of fan expectations is not good for the team. I only want to see a team that is prepared and does not quit for any reason. I saw way too much of that last year to last me the rest of my life. I still think we will see a lot of new kids playing this fall, the ones with heart, dedication, loyalty and desire. Bo will find the ones that want to play, and they will be on the field. If he does that and I see effort like a Nebraska team, I will be happy with the transition no matter the win loss results. This is not Devany/Osborne football. Much tougher to win the 9 games when you actually play 4 or 5 real teams every year, not 1.

This team needs our support, both coaches and players, no matter the win loss record. I think Bo will put a product on the field we can be proud of. If he does that, he has all the time he needs as far as I am concerned.
13 of the 22 starters on the NC game were Blake recruits or 59%. Didn't BC still have like 7 Solich recruits starting in his 4th year? Blake didn't just hand Stoops the NC with talent.

 
We had one good recruiting class, can you name the players of that class that are still here. I think that would be Lucky.

We got high ratings because of numbers, we take 28 players every year it adds up. Our star ratings on Rivals were never high, always the lowest of the top 12 to 13. He did a good job for what he had to sell, with very little backing. But If you read through my posts I never felt he did the super job some felt he did. I liked BC, I still do, he just did not fit here. But some of us gave way to much credit to what he recruited as being great atheletes, but in actuallity they were head cases.

I am one that never sees us returning to the mid 90's. I can live with that. I see us returning to a good, hard working team, that occasionally makes the big run. I do not ever see a 60-3 team at Nebraska again. REality is that it is tougher to do that now than it was then, and it was hell then. SC has loads of talent and they can not do it.

Give me a team that wins on a regular basis, plays by the rules, graduates its athletes and keeps it kids out of trouble and I will be happy. I do not need NC to be proud of Nebraska, I need teams, coaches and players that I can be proud of. Our moto says it all for me.

 
But stoops has not won since that talent left either. He is a good coach, but he has embarassed this conference far more than he has brought it pride.

I hope Bo is a better coach than Stoops. I think Stoops will bend or break any rule he thinks he can get by with.

 
But stoops has not won since that talent left either. He is a good coach, but he has embarassed this conference far more than he has brought it pride.

I hope Bo is a better coach than Stoops. I think Stoops will bend or break any rule he thinks he can get by with.
ok that damn near disqualifies anything you have said. I don't know how you can say that the most consistently powerful team in the Big 12 has embarassed the conference. No I'm no Sooner fan, I hate them almost as much as colorado and texas. And don't say because of the past two bowl games, thats just garbage.

 
I said it last year and I will say it this year. We do not have a player on this team that could start at any major/winning program, other than Lucky if he plays to potential this year. And several I would guess he would 3rd team.

BC recruited better than any before him, but he did not get the top talent. He got left overs/head cases and quitters. The ranks are still filled with those kids. Can Bo change thier attitudes and get them to fly right, we will not know until they actually play a game, that would be VaTech. If they get hammered in that game, you will see the same team that we saw last yar I am afraid. Quitters never win, winners never quit. Learned that in Jr High, still believe it to this day.
I take it you don't put much stock into what Rivals and other similar websites say?
KU was 12-1 and had almost no 4 stars and absolutely no 5 stars. Rivals is fun, but it is not the end all, be all. Mizzou is pretty darn good, they did not come in that far ahead of us.

 
His losses, when considered the top team in the country have been numerous. A thorough whipping by LSu one year, SC another, Boise State another were laughable at best.

I just do not see him as the end all coach that some do. He does a good job, but when it is all on the line he has not faired well since he lost Blakes talent pool.

Just my oppinion. You have yours. That is fine with me. I have been on this sight for a long time, and I always try stay on the side of reality, be it our loved Huskers or the opposition.

I remember a coache we had here after he lost a few major games almost being run off. Stoops may end up being that level of coach, but his big game wins are few and far between, unless it is Texas.

 
Mangino brings the arguement that Bo can do it to. I agree with that. But he has been doing it for a few years, he got the kids that bought in and worked them to the level they are. A great coach, no question, is Bo that level of coach and do we have a talent base with the same attitude and work ethic. I think Bo will be but I do not think it will happen as quickly as most die hard Husker fans do.

As far as hate for Oklahoma, I have none, nor for Kansas State or Missouri or Colorado. I love college football and with out your competition you have nothing.

 
Mangino brings the arguement that Bo can do it to. I agree with that. But he has been doing it for a few years, he got the kids that bought in and worked them to the level they are. A great coach, no question, is Bo that level of coach and do we have a talent base with the same attitude and work ethic. I think Bo will be but I do not think it will happen as quickly as most die hard Husker fans do.

As far as hate for Oklahoma, I have none, nor for Kansas State or Missouri or Colorado. I love college football and with out your competition you have nothing.
Even Stoops went 7-5, not 8-4, and that was pretty much one of the most positive examples. I still think 8-4 woulf be pretty incredible, but not impossible...

 
Mangino brings the arguement that Bo can do it to. I agree with that. But he has been doing it for a few years, he got the kids that bought in and worked them to the level they are. A great coach, no question, is Bo that level of coach and do we have a talent base with the same attitude and work ethic. I think Bo will be but I do not think it will happen as quickly as most die hard Husker fans do.

As far as hate for Oklahoma, I have none, nor for Kansas State or Missouri or Colorado. I love college football and with out your competition you have nothing.
Even Stoops went 7-5, not 8-4, and that was pretty much one of the most positive examples. I still think 8-4 woulf be pretty incredible, but not impossible...
I can see the Huskers going 7-5 and beating V-Tech. I think that would be a great step forward for Bo and his crew.

 
Oh man.

Coach #1: Legendary coach "retires" replaced by hand-picked assistant.

Coach #2: New coach does OK, but not good enough for crazy fan base.

Coach #3: Replaced by outsider/mercenary with great recruiting and crappy coaching. Eventually wears out welcome with one too many disappointing seasons.

Coach #4: Replaced by guy from Ohio who was also on Coach #2s staff. His first season is mediocre, maybe even a step backwards, His second season they win the National Championship.

#1: Woody Hayes

#2: Earl Bruce

#3: John "Hall of Fame" Cooper

#4: Jim Tressel

Write it up kids. Nebraska national championship 2009!
John Cooper and Bill Callahan are about as similar to eachother as a pair of tube socks and a grapefruit. Cooper was a fantastic coach (111-43-4 record while at Ohio State), he just couldn't beat Michigan. Nice try though :thumbs

 
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We had one good recruiting class, can you name the players of that class that are still here. I think that would be Lucky.

We got high ratings because of numbers, we take 28 players every year it adds up. Our star ratings on Rivals were never high, always the lowest of the top 12 to 13. He did a good job for what he had to sell, with very little backing. But If you read through my posts I never felt he did the super job some felt he did. I liked BC, I still do, he just did not fit here. But some of us gave way to much credit to what he recruited as being great atheletes, but in actuallity they were head cases.

I am one that never sees us returning to the mid 90's. I can live with that. I see us returning to a good, hard working team, that occasionally makes the big run. I do not ever see a 60-3 team at Nebraska again. REality is that it is tougher to do that now than it was then, and it was hell then. SC has loads of talent and they can not do it.

 

Give me a team that wins on a regular basis, plays by the rules, graduates its athletes and keeps it kids out of trouble and I will be happy. I do not need NC to be proud of Nebraska, I need teams, coaches and players that I can be proud of. Our moto says it all for me.

Wow!

Good Great last two paragraphs..My sentiments pretty much exactly..And probably one of the 1st posts of yours that didn't even mention VaTech..Sorry, but for awhile I was beginning to think you were on their payroll.

I know it's human nature or maybe "The American Way" for casual fans to judge their team using only wins and losses..But dambit'..We're CornHusker Fans..One of the reasons we are considered the greatest fans in the Milky Way Galaxy is because we take the extra effort? to obsess about every detail of the game..

'Specially after last season, we'll take ANY kind of improvement as a sign of things to come will be better.

Oh yeah..VaTech may be a great test for our young Pelini's inaugural season, but don't count on it being our 1st..(We may lose before playing or even figuring out what Hokies are).

 
I would say 8-4 is rather optimistic. Bo has done great to take a losing team in his first year and go 8-4. Kudos to him if he can do it. That is hard to do.

As I am a nerd, I check to see how many coaches won a higher percentage of their games than their predecessors in the 90s or 00's when there was a Big 12 North coaching change... I did not count interim coaches, See results below...

Nebraska 3 Changes, 0 Improved over prior coach

CU 3 Changes, 0 Improved over prior coach

KU 2 Changes, 1 Improved over prior coach (KU went from 4-7 to 5-6 once)

K-State 1 Changes, 1 Improved over prior coach (KSU went from 5-6 to 7-6 once)

Iowa State 2 Changes, 1 Improved over prior coach (ISU went from 0-10 to 3-8 once)

Mizzou 2 Changes, 1 Improved over prior coach (MU went from 3-8 to 4-7 once)

Not saying it never happens, I think I have predicted you will improve, but I am just saying be fair to the guy. Irnoically, over the 4 improvements above, none of he teams improved in a big way. Maybe the North is not a great sample, I know Texas got better after each change, for instance, and actually got good under Mack Brown, and if your talent pool is deep, which it may be, could happen here. Just sayin be a little realistic, you were not very good last year by most standards, and awful by husker standards. 2 of the 4 BC teams were the worst since 1961. So we will see, and best wishes minus one game (and any others if by some miracle you come ALL the way back right away and we need you to lose).

id say that the chances of us going 8-4 are much better than the chance of us not improving. also look at the state of the program for nebraska after the last 3 coaching changes. its kind of hard to improve on those seasons.

 
Mangino brings the arguement that Bo can do it to. I agree with that. But he has been doing it for a few years, he got the kids that bought in and worked them to the level they are. A great coach, no question, is Bo that level of coach and do we have a talent base with the same attitude and work ethic. I think Bo will be but I do not think it will happen as quickly as most die hard Husker fans do.

As far as hate for Oklahoma, I have none, nor for Kansas State or Missouri or Colorado. I love college football and with out your competition you have nothing.
Even Stoops went 7-5, not 8-4, and that was pretty much one of the most positive examples. I still think 8-4 woulf be pretty incredible, but not impossible...
the thing is we really werent that far from winning 7 last year. the cu and TU games should have been won. esp CU. we had a big lead at half and cally came out like we were down big. I really dont think we are that far from 8-4. I would agree that 7-5 is much more realistic, but I dont see 8-4 for us be as big of a turnaround as you make it out to be. i'll put it this way, i guys certainly less improbable then you guys going from 6-6 to 12-1. I find it amusing that you constantly come on here and talk about how we cant improve when you guys were 6-6 in 06 with losses to toledo and baylor.

 
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It's still ridiculous to think that we don't have talent, whether or not you follow recruiting sites or not (the ones who don't think we have talent, somehow seem to be the ones who DO follow them).

In 2008 we signed 28 players, less than six other schools listed in Scout's top 25 (we finished 21st). Our star rating was 2.86, which ranked 36th (still not a bad rank..).

In 2007 we signed 27 kids, less than six other schools once again, and ranked 21st. Our star rating ranked 19th.

In 2006 we signed 22 players (man that is so many), and ranked 29th. Our star rating was 17th at 3.27.

In 2005 we signed 31 players, which is actually the ONLY time we ranked in the top 5 of players taken, and finished 10th. Our star rating was a 3.23, which got us 16th.

So total over those years we have signed 108 kids, how many of them have quit or are head cases like you said? Certainly not even close to the majority. So I really don't see what you're talking about skersfan.

 
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