Callahans Recruits

Screw hype. You guys are making this out to be bigger than it is. Truth is, there's thousands upon thousands of guys all around the country that can run, jump, juke, tackle and catch pretty much the same. And most of the teams get those guys. THen there's a handful that are above and beyond the rest in talent. It's what you do with the kids when they get here that matters. Which is why Kansas and MU are better than us right now. They're staff wasn't incompetent and actually developed.

Callahn didn't recruit crap, he brought in football players, they just didn't get developed. That simple.

 
Screw hype. You guys are making this out to be bigger than it is. Truth is, there's thousands upon thousands of guys all around the country that can run, jump, juke, tackle and catch pretty much the same. And most of the teams get those guys. THen there's a handful that are above and beyond the rest in talent. It's what you do with the kids when they get here that matters. Which is why Kansas and MU are better than us right now. They're staff wasn't incompetent and actually developed.

Callahn didn't recruit crap, he brought in football players, they just didn't get developed. That simple.

exactly. I dont know why people have trouble grasping this. it was obvious that they weren't well coached last year. anyone could see that

 
well, even if these kids had talent, they have only been "coached" for 3 games......hard to tell, but i tend to agree, the "talent" we recruited was over hyped, to a large degree........
Hunter --- once more you succinctly hit the nail on the head --- Callahan was grossly overrated as a recruiter --- it was all hype. The talent Callahan brought in was of lower grade than what Solich recruited.

so if the rankings are all hype answer this question for me.....why are KU and MU all of the sudden going after higher star players? have mangino and pinkle bought into the "hype" too??
The hype is not recruiting stars and rankings in general but Callahan's recruiting in particular. Callahan, in terms of average stars of recruits signed had an average well under 4 --- closer to 3.5. None of classes were a top 20 class in terms of average stars of players signed. He simply had three things that led to the Callahan recruiting hype. 1) he courted and brought many players closes to signing --- dozens of 4& 5 star players gave NU serious, serious consideration --- but 90% went elsewhere --- the coming close issue made it seem as though he recruited well --- but in the end they did not come, 2) he recruited large classes of mainly 3 star with a few 4 star players in --- because the classes were large the rankings were fairly high --- artificially though in that the average star per player was never top 10 stuff, rarely top 15 and typically #20 or so, and 3) people blew the NFL coach thing out of proportion and so he was given credit where credit was not due.

In the end, many of the 4 star players signed either never came, came and left or came and were not very good. If you simply say that players were not developed --- which is true --- but if you say that this is the only problem you will be left with the mistaken notion that NU is only "a little player development away" from a really competitive team. This is not the case. If Pelini were to fully develop and get 90% of the potential out of each player on the squad NU would improve and maybe be a fringe top 25 team --- but that is it. Do not make the mistake of thinking we have top 10 talent here that is simply under-performing. Pelini could maximize the players we have here now and, at best, they would be maybe a top 25 team (of course that is 40 or so notches above where NU was last year and it would be a huge, huge improvement).

The point is not just lack of player development --- though it is that (in part). The problem as well is the top programs are bigger, leaner (less fat), stronger, faster and moreover, deeper than is NU. We have not the athletes to expect a top 25 program anytime soon. We have talent that would be # 5-7 or so in any of the major conferences. Callahan was hyped as a recruiter and that was it --- he was not that good even at recruiting.

So far, Pelini's staff is recruiting at a level that is also not that good. This is understandable --- the losing records, the lack of bowl games, the geographic isolation, the fact that NU has been irrelevant nationally in the past 5-7 years (the only period of time these recruits can directly connect with), the embarrasing losses on TV (which is all these kids we recruit have seen) and the emergence of other programs around us, well.... Pelini has a really, really, really tough sell. These recruits are not like us --- we all remember well what NU football once was --- they do not (at least the national recruits) --- at best these kids would have someone tell them that NU "once was a powerhouse" and that they have rabid fans and nice facilities --- but none of them have seen it. They will think of 25-30 programs first before NU. This is a "what have you done for me world lately" and NU has done nothing good lately. So, it would be expected that NU will not recruit now with the big boys --- or even the pretty big boys.

 
well, even if these kids had talent, they have only been "coached" for 3 games......hard to tell, but i tend to agree, the "talent" we recruited was over hyped, to a large degree........
Hunter --- once more you succinctly hit the nail on the head --- Callahan was grossly overrated as a recruiter --- it was all hype. The talent Callahan brought in was of lower grade than what Solich recruited.

so if the rankings are all hype answer this question for me.....why are KU and MU all of the sudden going after higher star players? have mangino and pinkle bought into the "hype" too??
The hype is not recruiting stars and rankings in general but Callahan's recruiting in particular. Callahan, in terms of average stars of recruits signed had an average well under 4 --- closer to 3.5. None of classes were a top 20 class in terms of average stars of players signed. He simply had three things that led to the Callahan recruiting hype. 1) he courted and brought many players closes to signing --- dozens of 4& 5 star players gave NU serious, serious consideration --- but 90% went elsewhere --- the coming close issue made it seem as though he recruited well --- but in the end they did not come, 2) he recruited large classes of mainly 3 star with a few 4 star players in --- because the classes were large the rankings were fairly high --- artificially though in that the average star per player was never top 10 stuff, rarely top 15 and typically #20 or so, and 3) people blew the NFL coach thing out of proportion and so he was given credit where credit was not due.

In the end, many of the 4 star players signed either never came, came and left or came and were not very good. If you simply say that players were not developed --- which is true --- but if you say that this is the only problem you will be left with the mistaken notion that NU is only "a little player development away" from a really competitive team. This is not the case. If Pelini were to fully develop and get 90% of the potential out of each player on the squad NU would improve and maybe be a fringe top 25 team --- but that is it. Do not make the mistake of thinking we have top 10 talent here that is simply under-performing. Pelini could maximize the players we have here now and, at best, they would be maybe a top 25 team (of course that is 40 or so notches above where NU was last year and it would be a huge, huge improvement).

The point is not just lack of player development --- though it is that (in part). The problem as well is the top programs are bigger, leaner (less fat), stronger, faster and moreover, deeper than is NU. We have not the athletes to expect a top 25 program anytime soon. We have talent that would be # 5-7 or so in any of the major conferences. Callahan was hyped as a recruiter and that was it --- he was not that good even at recruiting.

So far, Pelini's staff is recruiting at a level that is also not that good. This is understandable --- the losing records, the lack of bowl games, the geographic isolation, the fact that NU has been irrelevant nationally in the past 5-7 years (the only period of time these recruits can directly connect with), the embarrasing losses on TV (which is all these kids we recruit have seen) and the emergence of other programs around us, well.... Pelini has a really, really, really tough sell. These recruits are not like us --- we all remember well what NU football once was --- they do not (at least the national recruits) --- at best these kids would have someone tell them that NU "once was a powerhouse" and that they have rabid fans and nice facilities --- but none of them have seen it. They will think of 25-30 programs first before NU. This is a "what have you done for me world lately" and NU has done nothing good lately. So, it would be expected that NU will not recruit now with the big boys --- or even the pretty big boys.
Actually, the recruits that Callahan got the past four years were highly sought after that had offers from a plethora of quality schools. They chose to come to NU because it was a special place to them. Just because we aren't on the national stage doesn't mean we aren't going to be of interest to good players, we have some of the best facilities in the nation and the best support you can find. No, we're not going to get the type of athletes that USC or Florida get, but we will get good football players that can be developed into amazing football players.

In 2005, we got Zachary Bowman, Ola Dagunduro, Barry Cryer, Phillip Dillard, Cody Glenn, Frantz Hardy, Marlon Lucky, Steve Octavien, Zach Potter, Matt Slauson, Ndamukong Suh, Zac Taylor, Bryan Wilson and Barry Turner, all who either contributed greatly or are still contributing to this team.

In 2006, we got Pierre Allen, Major Culbert, Ricky Henry, Will Henry, Menelik Holt, Andre Jones, D.J. Jones, Mike McNeil, Carl Nicks, Maurice Purify, Rickey Thenarse, Anthony West and Kenny Wilson, who all contributed or are still contributing to this team. I'm not even listing the rest in these classes because they are developing still and will contribute when it's their time.

I can go on with the next two classes but I'll spare you, my point is that we don't have a lack of talent, and we don't have crap recruits that no one wanted. Quit making it sound like our recruiting the past four years has been absolutely worhtless. THe guys that we have had choices to go to other, "better" top 25 teams, but they chose Nebraska. You don't have to be ranked in the Top 10 year in and year out to get quality guys. It helps, but not necessary.

 
These condoms could hang with half of the NFC east and I'm afraid what they might do in a virtual game with our '95 Huskers.
Tell me you did not just say that! That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read all season! (that and five SEC teams in the top ten this week!) What, are you trying out for the Kirk Herbstreet fan club? :WTH

 
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These condoms could hang with half of the NFC east and I'm afraid what they might do in a virtual game with our '95 Huskers.
Tell me you did not just say that! That has got to be the dumbest thing I've read all season! (that and five SEC teams in the top ten this week!) What, are you trying out for the Kirk Herbstreet fan club? :WTH
No, it's very probably true, but the question is a silly one to ask.

College athletes today are obviously stronger, faster, more athletic than in 1995. I mean, take your "average" NFL running back today and compare him to the NFL stars from the 1950s. Vernand Morency is probably faster, stronger, tougher...but is he a star? Nope.

 
I've never bought in to that argument. I think it's total B.S. What did human evolution kick into over drive the past decade? Seriously there is more talent spread around, but I think your just being fooled by the complete saturation that the internet and ESPN are providing us.

You want to make that argument for say the 71 huskers, then MAYBE you have something. With all the new training regimens, and kids starting camps in 6th grade to be top rated football players. Yeah it makes a hell of a difference. But you go ask the Peters, or Touchdown Tommy if they could hang with USC. Better yet ask Payton Manning. He says the 97 huskers where the best D he's EVER seen.

Don't by that :bs: one bit! Think someone is drinking a little to much ESPN :koolaid2:

 
In all honesty, there's no possible way that we could know who would beat the 1995 team today. While today's teams are more big and physical.

But that 1995 team had something special about them. They had determination, dedication and the strive to be the best that I've never seen from any other team, and because of all that, they were the best and it's why they are still considered the best team to ever set foot on a college football field. Who really knows though, who really cares?

 
well, even if these kids had talent, they have only been "coached" for 3 games......hard to tell, but i tend to agree, the "talent" we recruited was over hyped, to a large degree........
Hunter --- once more you succinctly hit the nail on the head --- Callahan was grossly overrated as a recruiter --- it was all hype. The talent Callahan brought in was of lower grade than what Solich recruited.

so if the rankings are all hype answer this question for me.....why are KU and MU all of the sudden going after higher star players? have mangino and pinkle bought into the "hype" too??
The hype is not recruiting stars and rankings in general but Callahan's recruiting in particular. Callahan, in terms of average stars of recruits signed had an average well under 4 --- closer to 3.5. None of classes were a top 20 class in terms of average stars of players signed. He simply had three things that led to the Callahan recruiting hype. 1) he courted and brought many players closes to signing --- dozens of 4& 5 star players gave NU serious, serious consideration --- but 90% went elsewhere --- the coming close issue made it seem as though he recruited well --- but in the end they did not come, 2) he recruited large classes of mainly 3 star with a few 4 star players in --- because the classes were large the rankings were fairly high --- artificially though in that the average star per player was never top 10 stuff, rarely top 15 and typically #20 or so, and 3) people blew the NFL coach thing out of proportion and so he was given credit where credit was not due.

In the end, many of the 4 star players signed either never came, came and left or came and were not very good. If you simply say that players were not developed --- which is true --- but if you say that this is the only problem you will be left with the mistaken notion that NU is only "a little player development away" from a really competitive team. This is not the case. If Pelini were to fully develop and get 90% of the potential out of each player on the squad NU would improve and maybe be a fringe top 25 team --- but that is it. Do not make the mistake of thinking we have top 10 talent here that is simply under-performing. Pelini could maximize the players we have here now and, at best, they would be maybe a top 25 team (of course that is 40 or so notches above where NU was last year and it would be a huge, huge improvement).

The point is not just lack of player development --- though it is that (in part). The problem as well is the top programs are bigger, leaner (less fat), stronger, faster and moreover, deeper than is NU. We have not the athletes to expect a top 25 program anytime soon. We have talent that would be # 5-7 or so in any of the major conferences. Callahan was hyped as a recruiter and that was it --- he was not that good even at recruiting.

So far, Pelini's staff is recruiting at a level that is also not that good. This is understandable --- the losing records, the lack of bowl games, the geographic isolation, the fact that NU has been irrelevant nationally in the past 5-7 years (the only period of time these recruits can directly connect with), the embarrasing losses on TV (which is all these kids we recruit have seen) and the emergence of other programs around us, well.... Pelini has a really, really, really tough sell. These recruits are not like us --- we all remember well what NU football once was --- they do not (at least the national recruits) --- at best these kids would have someone tell them that NU "once was a powerhouse" and that they have rabid fans and nice facilities --- but none of them have seen it. They will think of 25-30 programs first before NU. This is a "what have you done for me world lately" and NU has done nothing good lately. So, it would be expected that NU will not recruit now with the big boys --- or even the pretty big boys.
Actually, the recruits that Callahan got the past four years were highly sought after that had offers from a plethora of quality schools. They chose to come to NU because it was a special place to them. Just because we aren't on the national stage doesn't mean we aren't going to be of interest to good players, we have some of the best facilities in the nation and the best support you can find. No, we're not going to get the type of athletes that USC or Florida get, but we will get good football players that can be developed into amazing football players.

In 2005, we got Zachary Bowman, Ola Dagunduro, Barry Cryer, Phillip Dillard, Cody Glenn, Frantz Hardy, Marlon Lucky, Steve Octavien, Zach Potter, Matt Slauson, Ndamukong Suh, Zac Taylor, Bryan Wilson and Barry Turner, all who either contributed greatly or are still contributing to this team.

In 2006, we got Pierre Allen, Major Culbert, Ricky Henry, Will Henry, Menelik Holt, Andre Jones, D.J. Jones, Mike McNeil, Carl Nicks, Maurice Purify, Rickey Thenarse, Anthony West and Kenny Wilson, who all contributed or are still contributing to this team. I'm not even listing the rest in these classes because they are developing still and will contribute when it's their time.

I can go on with the next two classes but I'll spare you, my point is that we don't have a lack of talent, and we don't have crap recruits that no one wanted. Quit making it sound like our recruiting the past four years has been absolutely worhtless. THe guys that we have had choices to go to other, "better" top 25 teams, but they chose Nebraska. You don't have to be ranked in the Top 10 year in and year out to get quality guys. It helps, but not necessary.
These recruits were not worthless. They were middle conference recruits though. Perhaps two or three of the players you mentioned, and these were the star recruits, will make a full season in the NFL. That allotment of players you mentioned are less than what we recruited the preceding 4 years --- in terms of NFL players. Decent recruits. Not worthless. Not top 25 talent though and less, as a group than what preceded them --- and hopefully less than what follows.

 
well, even if these kids had talent, they have only been "coached" for 3 games......hard to tell, but i tend to agree, the "talent" we recruited was over hyped, to a large degree........
Hunter --- once more you succinctly hit the nail on the head --- Callahan was grossly overrated as a recruiter --- it was all hype. The talent Callahan brought in was of lower grade than what Solich recruited.

so if the rankings are all hype answer this question for me.....why are KU and MU all of the sudden going after higher star players? have mangino and pinkle bought into the "hype" too??
 

The hype is not recruiting stars and rankings in general but Callahan's recruiting in particular. Callahan, in terms of average stars of recruits signed had an average well under 4 --- closer to 3.5. None of classes were a top 20 class in terms of average stars of players signed. He simply had three things that led to the Callahan recruiting hype. 1) he courted and brought many players closes to signing --- dozens of 4& 5 star players gave NU serious, serious consideration --- but 90% went elsewhere --- the coming close issue made it seem as though he recruited well --- but in the end they did not come, 2) he recruited large classes of mainly 3 star with a few 4 star players in --- because the classes were large the rankings were fairly high --- artificially though in that the average star per player was never top 10 stuff, rarely top 15 and typically #20 or so, and 3) people blew the NFL coach thing out of proportion and so he was given credit where credit was not due.

In the end, many of the 4 star players signed either never came, came and left or came and were not very good. If you simply say that players were not developed --- which is true --- but if you say that this is the only problem you will be left with the mistaken notion that NU is only "a little player development away" from a really competitive team. This is not the case. If Pelini were to fully develop and get 90% of the potential out of each player on the squad NU would improve and maybe be a fringe top 25 team --- but that is it. Do not make the mistake of thinking we have top 10 talent here that is simply under-performing. Pelini could maximize the players we have here now and, at best, they would be maybe a top 25 team (of course that is 40 or so notches above where NU was last year and it would be a huge, huge improvement).

The point is not just lack of player development --- though it is that (in part). The problem as well is the top programs are bigger, leaner (less fat), stronger, faster and moreover, deeper than is NU. We have not the athletes to expect a top 25 program anytime soon. We have talent that would be # 5-7 or so in any of the major conferences. Callahan was hyped as a recruiter and that was it --- he was not that good even at recruiting.

So far, Pelini's staff is recruiting at a level that is also not that good. This is understandable --- the losing records, the lack of bowl games, the geographic isolation, the fact that NU has been irrelevant nationally in the past 5-7 years (the only period of time these recruits can directly connect with), the embarrasing losses on TV (which is all these kids we recruit have seen) and the emergence of other programs around us, well.... Pelini has a really, really, really tough sell. These recruits are not like us --- we all remember well what NU football once was --- they do not (at least the national recruits) --- at best these kids would have someone tell them that NU "once was a powerhouse" and that they have rabid fans and nice facilities --- but none of them have seen it. They will think of 25-30 programs first before NU. This is a "what have you done for me world lately" and NU has done nothing good lately. So, it would be expected that NU will not recruit now with the big boys --- or even the pretty big boys.
# of teams with a star rating over 3.5??

2007 6

2006 12

2005 6

as for the underlined statement

nu's rank by average star?

2005 13th

2006 17th

2007 13th

the stats dont back your opinion. either the recruiting agencies are totally off base(and apparently pinkle and mangino are being fooled by them this year and last) or we do have the talent we thought we had, just no coaching. there is no gray area here. the #'s speak for them volumes. as for players leaving? that happens to every program.

 
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4 star or above players signed

2007 10

9 played(dixon)

2006 6

5 played(wilson)

2005 13

10 played

(beck, jackson, tomerlin)

so we had a total of 5 leave in three years. and one was due to injury(wilson) dixon and tomerlin didn't leave they were shown the door for breaking team rules.

 
well, even if these kids had talent, they have only been "coached" for 3 games......hard to tell, but i tend to agree, the "talent" we recruited was over hyped, to a large degree........
Hunter --- once more you succinctly hit the nail on the head --- Callahan was grossly overrated as a recruiter --- it was all hype. The talent Callahan brought in was of lower grade than what Solich recruited.

so if the rankings are all hype answer this question for me.....why are KU and MU all of the sudden going after higher star players? have mangino and pinkle bought into the "hype" too??
 

The hype is not recruiting stars and rankings in general but Callahan's recruiting in particular. Callahan, in terms of average stars of recruits signed had an average well under 4 --- closer to 3.5. None of classes were a top 20 class in terms of average stars of players signed. He simply had three things that led to the Callahan recruiting hype. 1) he courted and brought many players closes to signing --- dozens of 4& 5 star players gave NU serious, serious consideration --- but 90% went elsewhere --- the coming close issue made it seem as though he recruited well --- but in the end they did not come, 2) he recruited large classes of mainly 3 star with a few 4 star players in --- because the classes were large the rankings were fairly high --- artificially though in that the average star per player was never top 10 stuff, rarely top 15 and typically #20 or so, and 3) people blew the NFL coach thing out of proportion and so he was given credit where credit was not due.

In the end, many of the 4 star players signed either never came, came and left or came and were not very good. If you simply say that players were not developed --- which is true --- but if you say that this is the only problem you will be left with the mistaken notion that NU is only "a little player development away" from a really competitive team. This is not the case. If Pelini were to fully develop and get 90% of the potential out of each player on the squad NU would improve and maybe be a fringe top 25 team --- but that is it. Do not make the mistake of thinking we have top 10 talent here that is simply under-performing. Pelini could maximize the players we have here now and, at best, they would be maybe a top 25 team (of course that is 40 or so notches above where NU was last year and it would be a huge, huge improvement).

The point is not just lack of player development --- though it is that (in part). The problem as well is the top programs are bigger, leaner (less fat), stronger, faster and moreover, deeper than is NU. We have not the athletes to expect a top 25 program anytime soon. We have talent that would be # 5-7 or so in any of the major conferences. Callahan was hyped as a recruiter and that was it --- he was not that good even at recruiting.

So far, Pelini's staff is recruiting at a level that is also not that good. This is understandable --- the losing records, the lack of bowl games, the geographic isolation, the fact that NU has been irrelevant nationally in the past 5-7 years (the only period of time these recruits can directly connect with), the embarrasing losses on TV (which is all these kids we recruit have seen) and the emergence of other programs around us, well.... Pelini has a really, really, really tough sell. These recruits are not like us --- we all remember well what NU football once was --- they do not (at least the national recruits) --- at best these kids would have someone tell them that NU "once was a powerhouse" and that they have rabid fans and nice facilities --- but none of them have seen it. They will think of 25-30 programs first before NU. This is a "what have you done for me world lately" and NU has done nothing good lately. So, it would be expected that NU will not recruit now with the big boys --- or even the pretty big boys.
# of teams with a star rating over 3.5??

2007 6

2006 12

2005 6

as for the underlined statement

nu's rank by average star?

2005 13th

2006 17th

2007 13th

the stats dont back your opinion. either the recruiting agencies are totally off base(and apparently pinkle and mangino are being fooled by them this year and last) or we do have the talent we thought we had, just no coaching. there is no gray area here. the #'s speak for them volumes. as for players leaving? that happens to every program.

Well, the Huskers were not at 3.5 either (on average) --- I threw that number out as an approximate --- NU was closer to a 3.3 I think. And that was for those signed. If you look at those that not only signed, but showed up and are still on the roster and take their average star ranking I'd bet it would be a 3.1 or so. That would be well, I'd imagine as I intimated earlier, not quite # 25 in the nation on average. Counting the stars of guys who did not show up or who did and then left inflates our number.

The point is that when attrition is factored in the ranking would be likely just outside the top 25.

 
well, even if these kids had talent, they have only been "coached" for 3 games......hard to tell, but i tend to agree, the "talent" we recruited was over hyped, to a large degree........
Hunter --- once more you succinctly hit the nail on the head --- Callahan was grossly overrated as a recruiter --- it was all hype. The talent Callahan brought in was of lower grade than what Solich recruited.

so if the rankings are all hype answer this question for me.....why are KU and MU all of the sudden going after higher star players? have mangino and pinkle bought into the "hype" too??
 

The hype is not recruiting stars and rankings in general but Callahan's recruiting in particular. Callahan, in terms of average stars of recruits signed had an average well under 4 --- closer to 3.5. None of classes were a top 20 class in terms of average stars of players signed. He simply had three things that led to the Callahan recruiting hype. 1) he courted and brought many players closes to signing --- dozens of 4& 5 star players gave NU serious, serious consideration --- but 90% went elsewhere --- the coming close issue made it seem as though he recruited well --- but in the end they did not come, 2) he recruited large classes of mainly 3 star with a few 4 star players in --- because the classes were large the rankings were fairly high --- artificially though in that the average star per player was never top 10 stuff, rarely top 15 and typically #20 or so, and 3) people blew the NFL coach thing out of proportion and so he was given credit where credit was not due.

In the end, many of the 4 star players signed either never came, came and left or came and were not very good. If you simply say that players were not developed --- which is true --- but if you say that this is the only problem you will be left with the mistaken notion that NU is only "a little player development away" from a really competitive team. This is not the case. If Pelini were to fully develop and get 90% of the potential out of each player on the squad NU would improve and maybe be a fringe top 25 team --- but that is it. Do not make the mistake of thinking we have top 10 talent here that is simply under-performing. Pelini could maximize the players we have here now and, at best, they would be maybe a top 25 team (of course that is 40 or so notches above where NU was last year and it would be a huge, huge improvement).

The point is not just lack of player development --- though it is that (in part). The problem as well is the top programs are bigger, leaner (less fat), stronger, faster and moreover, deeper than is NU. We have not the athletes to expect a top 25 program anytime soon. We have talent that would be # 5-7 or so in any of the major conferences. Callahan was hyped as a recruiter and that was it --- he was not that good even at recruiting.

So far, Pelini's staff is recruiting at a level that is also not that good. This is understandable --- the losing records, the lack of bowl games, the geographic isolation, the fact that NU has been irrelevant nationally in the past 5-7 years (the only period of time these recruits can directly connect with), the embarrasing losses on TV (which is all these kids we recruit have seen) and the emergence of other programs around us, well.... Pelini has a really, really, really tough sell. These recruits are not like us --- we all remember well what NU football once was --- they do not (at least the national recruits) --- at best these kids would have someone tell them that NU "once was a powerhouse" and that they have rabid fans and nice facilities --- but none of them have seen it. They will think of 25-30 programs first before NU. This is a "what have you done for me world lately" and NU has done nothing good lately. So, it would be expected that NU will not recruit now with the big boys --- or even the pretty big boys.
# of teams with a star rating over 3.5??

2007 6

2006 12

2005 6

as for the underlined statement

nu's rank by average star?

2005 13th

2006 17th

2007 13th

the stats dont back your opinion. either the recruiting agencies are totally off base(and apparently pinkle and mangino are being fooled by them this year and last) or we do have the talent we thought we had, just no coaching. there is no gray area here. the #'s speak for them volumes. as for players leaving? that happens to every program.

Well, the Huskers were not at 3.5 either (on average) --- I threw that number out as an approximate --- NU was closer to a 3.3 I think. And that was for those signed. If you look at those that not only signed, but showed up and are still on the roster and take their average star ranking I'd bet it would be a 3.1 or so. That would be well, I'd imagine as I intimated earlier, not quite # 25 in the nation on average. Counting the stars of guys who did not show up or who did and then left inflates our number.

The point is that when attrition is factored in the ranking would be likely just outside the top 25.

i.e. Harrison Beck...... <_<

 
Robsker, you're putting waaay to much emphasis on stars! They don't mean jack. If they meant something, Missouri and Kansas wouldn't be where they are at right now.

You just seem hellbent to say that we suck and our recruiting sucks. Let it go man.

 
Well, the Huskers were not at 3.5 either (on average) --- I threw that number out as an approximate --- NU was closer to a 3.3 I think. And that was for those signed. If you look at those that not only signed, but showed up and are still on the roster and take their average star ranking I'd bet it would be a 3.1 or so. That would be well, I'd imagine as I intimated earlier, not quite # 25 in the nation on average. Counting the stars of guys who did not show up or who did and then left inflates our number.

The point is that when attrition is factored in the ranking would be likely just outside the top 25.

again I have addressed both issues, and done so with #'s, not "I think", "would be likely", and "I'd bet" we lost 5 kids with 4 stars or more. 2 kicked off one, injured and 2 left. do you really think that is that abnormal? If you really want I can take the time to look up the #'s(facts) but I think its safe to say that every team has problems like this.

so unless you have something else I think this case is closed

 
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