Grading Bo Pelini??

[Hunter94]

way too early to grade the guy. one season and some real progress and i suspect he will "morph" as time goes on into a real good head coach, but he needs at least 5 years in the league to develop and learn what head coaching is really all about...it takes time. look how long it has taken Pinkel and some other coaches to really get a handle on their programs and now they are seen as being pretty good hands afterall.

patience is something we seldom allow anymore...let's get over the "gotta have it now".

 

[jayhawker]

way too early to grade the guy. one season and some real progress and i suspect he will "morph" as time goes on into a real good head coach, but he needs at least 5 years in the league to develop and learn what head coaching is really all about...it takes time. look how long it has taken Pinkel and some other coaches to really get a handle on their programs and now they are seen as being pretty good hands afterall.

patience is something we seldom allow anymore...let's get over the "gotta have it now".

here is an outsiders take if you want it.

What he did for the confidence of the team. A

How he handled himself on the field. C- (needs to control the temper a bit)

Coaching. C (did not get any upset wins and won every game that Callahan would have won last year)

Upside. B (I think he will turn into a fine HC)

 

[caveman99]

way too early to grade the guy. one season and some real progress and i suspect he will "morph" as time goes on into a real good head coach, but he needs at least 5 years in the league to develop and learn what head coaching is really all about...it takes time. look how long it has taken Pinkel and some other coaches to really get a handle on their programs and now they are seen as being pretty good hands afterall.

patience is something we seldom allow anymore...let's get over the "gotta have it now".

here is an outsiders take if you want it.

What he did for the confidence of the team. A

How he handled himself on the field. C- (needs to control the temper a bit)

Coaching. C (did not get any upset wins and won every game that Callahan would have won last year)

Upside. B (I think he will turn into a fine HC)

I completely disagree with this part. I would be willing to bet that the KU game would have been a loss, Mangino is ten times the HC that Callahan was. I would also have to say that any game in which NU was behind at Half we would have lost under Callahan since his teams never came back. That makes Baylor and Clemson losses. Right there the team is 6-7. Bo showed an ability to make great adjustments in game and almost always out coached the other HC in the 2nd Half. Where I think the team needs to really improve are the Starts, if NU gets out of the gate better then games like VT and TT may very well be wins.

 

[jayhawker]

way too early to grade the guy. one season and some real progress and i suspect he will "morph" as time goes on into a real good head coach, but he needs at least 5 years in the league to develop and learn what head coaching is really all about...it takes time. look how long it has taken Pinkel and some other coaches to really get a handle on their programs and now they are seen as being pretty good hands afterall.

patience is something we seldom allow anymore...let's get over the "gotta have it now".

here is an outsiders take if you want it.

What he did for the confidence of the team. A

How he handled himself on the field. C- (needs to control the temper a bit)

Coaching. C (did not get any upset wins and won every game that Callahan would have won last year)

Upside. B (I think he will turn into a fine HC)

I completely disagree with this part. I would be willing to bet that the KU game would have been a loss, Mangino is ten times the HC that Callahan was. I would also have to say that any game in which NU was behind at Half we would have lost under Callahan since his teams never came back. That makes Baylor and Clemson losses. Right there the team is 6-7. Bo showed an ability to make great adjustments in game and almost always out coached the other HC in the 2nd Half. Where I think the team needs to really improve are the Starts, if NU gets out of the gate better then games like VT and TT may very well be wins.

I see your point. My point is that your recruiting did not fall off under callahan. You still have talent but your talent is still not playing up to it's potential. Maybe that will change this year?

 

[caveman99]

way too early to grade the guy. one season and some real progress and i suspect he will "morph" as time goes on into a real good head coach, but he needs at least 5 years in the league to develop and learn what head coaching is really all about...it takes time. look how long it has taken Pinkel and some other coaches to really get a handle on their programs and now they are seen as being pretty good hands afterall.

patience is something we seldom allow anymore...let's get over the "gotta have it now".

here is an outsiders take if you want it.

What he did for the confidence of the team. A

How he handled himself on the field. C- (needs to control the temper a bit)

Coaching. C (did not get any upset wins and won every game that Callahan would have won last year)

Upside. B (I think he will turn into a fine HC)

I completely disagree with this part. I would be willing to bet that the KU game would have been a loss, Mangino is ten times the HC that Callahan was. I would also have to say that any game in which NU was behind at Half we would have lost under Callahan since his teams never came back. That makes Baylor and Clemson losses. Right there the team is 6-7. Bo showed an ability to make great adjustments in game and almost always out coached the other HC in the 2nd Half. Where I think the team needs to really improve are the Starts, if NU gets out of the gate better then games like VT and TT may very well be wins.

I see your point. My point is that your recruiting did not fall off under callahan. You still have talent but your talent is still not playing up to it's potential. Maybe that will change this year?

I agree with you that there was/is plenty of talent in the stable. The issue was that it wasn't developed talent. Talent only gets you to the door, the player has to be molded so he can step through to realize potential. On top of that injuries ravaged the team pretty badly, at one point 5 Walk On's were playing on the Defensive side of the ball. I think Bo got more out his players last year than a vast majority of coaches would have. What I will agree with is that the team has yet to get that Signature win, beating opponents that you aren't favored to beat. Only one was Clemson and that was more of a coin flip going in. This year NU needs to beat some of the teams we haven't beat recently for me to be happy, those would include TT, and MU. I would also like to see a win against a few ranked teams, not sure VT or OU are ripe for that but who knows? KU will be ranked, TT may be ranked, not sure what MU will be, or even CU.

 

[jayhawker]

way too early to grade the guy. one season and some real progress and i suspect he will "morph" as time goes on into a real good head coach, but he needs at least 5 years in the league to develop and learn what head coaching is really all about...it takes time. look how long it has taken Pinkel and some other coaches to really get a handle on their programs and now they are seen as being pretty good hands afterall.

patience is something we seldom allow anymore...let's get over the "gotta have it now".

here is an outsiders take if you want it.

What he did for the confidence of the team. A

How he handled himself on the field. C- (needs to control the temper a bit)

Coaching. C (did not get any upset wins and won every game that Callahan would have won last year)

Upside. B (I think he will turn into a fine HC)

I completely disagree with this part. I would be willing to bet that the KU game would have been a loss, Mangino is ten times the HC that Callahan was. I would also have to say that any game in which NU was behind at Half we would have lost under Callahan since his teams never came back. That makes Baylor and Clemson losses. Right there the team is 6-7. Bo showed an ability to make great adjustments in game and almost always out coached the other HC in the 2nd Half. Where I think the team needs to really improve are the Starts, if NU gets out of the gate better then games like VT and TT may very well be wins.

I see your point. My point is that your recruiting did not fall off under callahan. You still have talent but your talent is still not playing up to it's potential. Maybe that will change this year?

I agree with you that there was/is plenty of talent in the stable. The issue was that it wasn't developed talent. Talent only gets you to the door, the player has to be molded so he can step through to realize potential. On top of that injuries ravaged the team pretty badly, at one point 5 Walk On's were playing on the Defensive side of the ball. I think Bo got more out his players last year than a vast majority of coaches would have. What I will agree with is that the team has yet to get that Signature win, beating opponents that you aren't favored to beat. Only one was Clemson and that was more of a coin flip going in. This year NU needs to beat some of the teams we haven't beat recently for me to be happy, those would include TT, and MU. I would also like to see a win against a few ranked teams, not sure VT or OU are ripe for that but who knows? KU will be ranked, TT may be ranked, not sure what MU will be, or even CU.

good post. Agree 100%

 

[SOCALHUSKER]

I like how everybody says it is way too early to grade his performance but does so anyways (with the exception of Hunter94). Either with a letter grade or a comment reflecting their opinion on his performance. Isn't that the only way to get better is to be critiqued, take the criticisms and praises into consideration and then adjust accordingly?

One season, 13 games, is plenty of time to establish habits, either good or bad. Yes, there are a million other factors to consider, if we were deciding whether to keep him or not, but since that isn't the case, I think it's never to early to evaluate progress and discuss the likes and dislikes of the situation. That's the only way to get better.

I'm sure Pelini would agree, as would anyone else who wishes to better themself, and I'm pretty sure he not only evaluates himself and each of his performances, but also those of his coaches and his players. If he didn't; he, his coaches and his players would never learn from their mistakes or sucesses, and therefore would never get better.

 

[knapplc]

SoCal, the best answer to your statement about how we're all grading him anyway is, "We're bored." =)

 

[caveman99]

SoCal, the best answer to your statement about how we're all grading him anyway is, "We're bored." =)

It is kind of like when someone asks if you want dessert and you say no, then they come back with some in hand and ask if you are sure. Never could turn it down!!!

 

[SOCALHUSKER]

SoCal, the best answer to your statement about how we're all grading him anyway is, "We're bored." =)

I realize that. Yet, everyone still holds an opinion about things they think he could fix or things he does well.

I didn't start this thread to say that we should fire him or give him a raise, or even consider either. I merely stated that I thought he did well his first year and wondered what others thought. It doesn't take more than a season to figure that out. After others stated that it was too early to judge, I asked how someone can get better if they aren't constantly being critiqued. Is that true or do you think differently?

 

[SOCALHUSKER]

SoCal, the best answer to your statement about how we're all grading him anyway is, "We're bored." =)

It is kind of like when someone asks if you want dessert and you say no, then they come back with some in hand and ask if you are sure. Never could turn it down!!!

Unless you really don't want dessert. Which is the same that could be said for those, who said it is too early to judge. Obviously they are judging his performance, or they wouldn't have answered.

 

[knapplc]

I asked how someone can get better if they aren't constantly being critiqued. Is that true or do you think differently?

It depends on who is doing the critiquing and who is being critiqued. If the person being critiqued isn't a self-motivated person with a wide range of ideas, then outside analysis could be very beneficial, as long as it's from a qualified source. While everyone has an opinion on everything, not everyone's opinion is "valid." I may have an opinion on the proper methods of childbirth, but if I'm just some layperson off the street, my opinion doesn't count for much, does it?

This is a fine thread and a worthwhile discussion topic, but no matter how profound our posts are, Bo isn't going to read this, nor is he going to put any of our suggestions into action. We're just a bunch of internet schmoes typing away. We have no influence on Bo.

So I suppose I would agree with you, but with stipulations. How's that for a ridiculous answer? :dumdum

 

[caveman99]

I asked how someone can get better if they aren't constantly being critiqued. Is that true or do you think differently?

It depends on who is doing the critiquing and who is being critiqued. If the person being critiqued isn't a self-motivated person with a wide range of ideas, then outside analysis could be very beneficial, as long as it's from a qualified source. While everyone has an opinion on everything, not everyone's opinion is "valid." I may have an opinion on the proper methods of childbirth, but if I'm just some layperson off the street, my opinion doesn't count for much, does it?

This is a fine thread and a worthwhile discussion topic, but no matter how profound our posts are, Bo isn't going to read this, nor is he going to put any of our suggestions into action. We're just a bunch of internet schmoes typing away. We have no influence on Bo.

So I suppose I would agree with you, but with stipulations. How's that for a ridiculous answer? :dumdum

No I know for a fact Bo listens to me. I told him to win 9 games last year and what do you know, he went out and did it!!!

 

[SOCALHUSKER]

I asked how someone can get better if they aren't constantly being critiqued. Is that true or do you think differently?

It depends on who is doing the critiquing and who is being critiqued. If the person being critiqued isn't a self-motivated person with a wide range of ideas, then outside analysis could be very beneficial, as long as it's from a qualified source. While everyone has an opinion on everything, not everyone's opinion is "valid." I may have an opinion on the proper methods of childbirth, but if I'm just some layperson off the street, my opinion doesn't count for much, does it?

This is a fine thread and a worthwhile discussion topic, but no matter how profound our posts are, Bo isn't going to read this, nor is he going to put any of our suggestions into action. We're just a bunch of internet schmoes typing away. We have no influence on Bo.

So I suppose I would agree with you, but with stipulations. How's that for a ridiculous answer? :dumdum

At least it's a logical answer. But I disagee.

The fact is, that Pelini is always being graded. Sure he might not hear our bitches and praises and be influenced directly, but he sure as hell would know the fans aren't pleased with his performance if they didn't come to the games. We as fans grade him by showing up and supporting the team. This allows those, who are qualified to analyze Pelini's decisions, to make an adequate assessment on his progress. Osborne is constantly grading him, and I guarantee you, he bases his decision off what is best for the program. And what is best for the program is a direct reflection of the criticisms that come from the fans who make up the program. For if it wasn't for the fans, their wouldn't be any program.

 

[caveman99]

I asked how someone can get better if they aren't constantly being critiqued. Is that true or do you think differently?

It depends on who is doing the critiquing and who is being critiqued. If the person being critiqued isn't a self-motivated person with a wide range of ideas, then outside analysis could be very beneficial, as long as it's from a qualified source. While everyone has an opinion on everything, not everyone's opinion is "valid." I may have an opinion on the proper methods of childbirth, but if I'm just some layperson off the street, my opinion doesn't count for much, does it?

This is a fine thread and a worthwhile discussion topic, but no matter how profound our posts are, Bo isn't going to read this, nor is he going to put any of our suggestions into action. We're just a bunch of internet schmoes typing away. We have no influence on Bo.

So I suppose I would agree with you, but with stipulations. How's that for a ridiculous answer? :dumdum

At least it's a logical answer. But I disagee.

The fact is, that Pelini is always being graded. Sure he might not hear our bitches and praises and be influenced directly, but he sure as hell would know the fans aren't pleased with his performance if they didn't come to the games. We as fans grade him by showing up and supporting the team. This allows those, who are qualified to analyze Pelini's decisions, to make an adequate assessment on his progress. Osborne is constantly grading him, and I guarantee you, he bases his decision off what is best for the program. And what is best for the program is a direct reflection of the criticisms that come from the fans who make up the program. For if it wasn't for the fans, their wouldn't be any program.

I don't think you can grade how a fan base feels about a HC with how well attendance is doing at NU. Could be wrong but I heard a rumor that we have sold out every game since 1962.