In the end, will Texas get our goat for good?

[RedNeckHusker]

It seems like there are two arguments for moving to the Big 10:

1. More money.

2. We hate Texas.

Number one is based on assumptions that can be argued either way.

Number two is a given.

The best case is that Nebraska moves to the Big 10, the recruiting pipelines are unaffected, the winning continues, and the fan base follows.

The worst case is that Nebraska can't out-recruit its Big 10 brethren and ends up an Indiana.

The reality is likely somewhere in between - recruiting that is hampered somewhat (based purely upon what the top Big 10 teams currently recruit) and that our program is similar to Wisconsin. An appearance in the MNC once every couple of decades.

But we'll have lots more money and more academic prestige.

Purely in terms of our football program (academics and "prestige" aside), it's quite plausible that our disdain for Texas ends up bringing down our football program, in the most ultimate of ironies.

Let the flames begin!

 

[irafreak]

You do know it's been 9 seasons since we've been in a title game and 13 since we've won one?

Osborne went a LONG time without a title and that was back when the competition was the big8.

If the future of college football is to end up in 4 superconferences with a small playoff then Nebraska has just a good chance as they do know.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks this conference is so good for us. We have a grand total of 5 big 12 title game appearances. Think about that a minute. In 14 years of play we've beaten the rest of the NORTH only 5 times. The big 12 title game kept us out of the 96 national championship game. The big12 has not helped us win titles. So I really don't understand why everyone is afraid we'll lose all our talent. We have 2 big 12 titles to our name. TWO!

So why not take the opportunity to make more money, improve your academic prestige, and throw your lot in with schools like Ohio State, Michigan, Penn state?

And Nebraska will never end up like Indiana. We have too many resources devoted to our football program.

 

[HuskerNLimbo]

I think you're taking a real doomsday approach to the Texas/Nebraska relationship. I really don't think that it is as black and white as you are making it out to be. Each school is going to do what they think is best for them. Currectly, the best decision for Texas is to keep the Big XII together (for the establishment of their tv network). This inevitable demise of Nebraska screwing ourselves that you stated seems like a catch 22 that I don't think is a realistic outcome.

 

[husker B-rent]

thats not realistic at all, sorry.

Our tradition, fan support, and facilities/money sets us apart from schools like indiana and wisconsin.

We are one of the top 4 winningest college football programs OF ALL TIME!!! that doesnt just change because we switch conferences.

if this is another thread stating that we need to have texas in our conference so that we can recruit texas then just stop now, it has been shown over and over again that we have before and will continue to recruit texas without being in the same conference.

BOTTOM LINE: WINNING EQUALS RECRUITS. COACHING AND RECRUITS EQUAL WINNING. WINNING EQUALS CONFERENCE AND NATIONAL TITLES.

 

[GMoose]

A little oversimplified, IMO.

We haven't outrecruited Texas or OU but one or two years. If Pelini continues moving us up the ladder, we will recruit well, well enough to win with our coaching staff.

 

[RedNeckHusker]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks this conference is so good for us. We have a grand total of 5 big 12 title game appearances. Think about that a minute. In 14 years of play we've beaten the rest of the NORTH only 5 times. The big 12 title game kept us out of the 96 national championship game. The big12 has not helped us win titles. So I really don't understand why everyone is afraid we'll lose all our talent. We have 2 big 12 titles to our name. TWO!

To answer your questions...

No doubt that Big Red has underperformed in the Big 12 thus far. But that's no fault of the conference's. Heck, we hired Bill Callahan for peace sakes!

Second, I can only assume that our talent level in the Big 10, at its very best, will be comparable to Penn State, OSU, and Michigan State. Even at that best case outcome, it's not saying a whole lot - none of the Big 10 heavies are sniffing the national championship year in and year out, nor will they any time soon.

I think our goals had better get re-prioritized. Switching conferences and recruiting pipelines, it's going to be a very tall order to compete with the Big 10 heavies, much less on a national stage.

Think NU can still successfully recruit the south? Show me another Big 10 team that does that and I'll play along.

Think NU can go into traditional PSU, OSU, and MU recruiting grounds and gain enough talent to compete with the heavies? That's what the future of our program will depend upon, and I don't like those odds.

We need to wake up and smell the coffee, we're getting ready to get ourselves into a fix. But I guess we will have a lot more prestige and money. Heck, I might not even have to buy season tickets any more - they'll be free due to all of the new money floating around!!!

Wake up NU, we could be in deep doo doo soon!

 

[HuskerNLimbo]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks this conference is so good for us. We have a grand total of 5 big 12 title game appearances. Think about that a minute. In 14 years of play we've beaten the rest of the NORTH only 5 times. The big 12 title game kept us out of the 96 national championship game. The big12 has not helped us win titles. So I really don't understand why everyone is afraid we'll lose all our talent. We have 2 big 12 titles to our name. TWO!

To answer your questions...

No doubt that Big Red has underperformed in the Big 12 thus far. But that's no fault of the conference's. Heck, we hired Bill Callahan for peace sakes!

Second, I can only assume that our talent level in the Big 10, at its very best, will be comparable to Penn State, OSU, and Michigan State. Even at that best case outcome, it's not saying a whole lot - none of the Big 10 heavies are sniffing the national championship year in and year out, nor will they any time soon. 2006/2007 OSU got into the national championship game. OSU vs Michigan in '06 was a #1/#2 battle with much talk of having a repeat in the championship game.

Think NU can still successfully recruit the south? Show me another Big 10 team that does that and I'll play along. Ohio state, michigan, and penn state recruit nationally, including the South, like we do.

I dont understand why you think that change is going to be the end of our football program? Change happens. Nebraska once belonged to the Missouri Valley conference, and i think that change worked out for us. Why are you only focusing on the potential problems of leaving the BigXII and joining the Big Ten? Have you thought about the potential successes that this could mean for the program as well? Its really easy to talk about 'what ifs' but realize that there are more than just con 'what if' questions.

 

[Judoka]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks this conference is so good for us. We have a grand total of 5 big 12 title game appearances. Think about that a minute. In 14 years of play we've beaten the rest of the NORTH only 5 times. The big 12 title game kept us out of the 96 national championship game. The big12 has not helped us win titles. So I really don't understand why everyone is afraid we'll lose all our talent. We have 2 big 12 titles to our name. TWO!

To answer your questions...

No doubt that Big Red has underperformed in the Big 12 thus far. But that's no fault of the conference's. Heck, we hired Bill Callahan for peace sakes!

Second, I can only assume that our talent level in the Big 10, at its very best, will be comparable to Penn State, OSU, and Michigan State. Even at that best case outcome, it's not saying a whole lot - none of the Big 10 heavies are sniffing the national championship year in and year out, nor will they any time soon. 2006/2007 OSU got into the national championship game. OSU vs Michigan in '06 was a #1/#2 battle with much talk of having a repeat in the championship game.

Think NU can still successfully recruit the south? Show me another Big 10 team that does that and I'll play along. Ohio state, michigan, and penn state recruit nationally, including the South, like we do.

I dont understand why you think that change is going to be the end of our football program? Change happens. Nebraska once belonged to the Missouri Valley conference, and i think that change worked out for us. Why are you only focusing on the potential problems of leaving the BigXII and joining the Big Ten? Have you thought about the potential successes that this could mean for the program as well? Its really easy to talk about 'what ifs' but realize that there are more than just con 'what if' questions.

Easy answer: People fear change.

 

[knapplc]

No doubt that Big Red has underperformed in the Big 12 thus far. But that's no fault of the conference's. Heck, we hired Bill Callahan for peace sakes!

Second, I can only assume that our talent level in the Big 10, at its very best, will be comparable to Penn State, OSU, and Michigan State. Even at that best case outcome, it's not saying a whole lot - none of the Big 10 heavies are sniffing the national championship year in and year out, nor will they any time soon.

I think our goals had better get re-prioritized. Switching conferences and recruiting pipelines, it's going to be a very tall order to compete with the Big 10 heavies, much less on a national stage.

Think NU can still successfully recruit the south? Show me another Big 10 team that does that and I'll play along.

Think NU can go into traditional PSU, OSU, and MU recruiting grounds and gain enough talent to compete with the heavies? That's what the future of our program will depend upon, and I don't like those odds.

We need to wake up and smell the coffee, we're getting ready to get ourselves into a fix. But I guess we will have a lot more prestige and money. Heck, I might not even have to buy season tickets any more - they'll be free due to all of the new money floating around!!!

Wake up NU, we could be in deep doo doo soon!

How will switching conferences alter our recruiting in New Jersey, Oregon, California, Florida and Louisiana? We recruit there now, why would we stop, and what would make us stop?

Because many of the teams in the Big 10 choose to recruit regionally, you believe that Nebraska will too? What evidence do you have to show that this will happen?

We recruit all over the country, including the aforementioned states, as well as Texas, Oklahoma, the Big 10 region, etc. We already pull recruits out of Ohio and Michigan. Why would that change if we join the Big 10?

What "fix" would we get into by joining a conference whose schools are superior academically as a conference to any other conference out there? What "fix" would we get into playing football against a bunch of teams that recruit primarily from the north, while we recruit nationwide?

It's pretty clear the person who needs to wake up is you. Your conclusions are baseless or completely made up. You seem terribly misinformed about what Nebraska does in recruiting and how this move might benefit the University.

 

[irafreak]

I just don't understand all the panic. People try to argue from both ends. First it's the big10 is a wimpy conference...then it's we'll never be able to recruit enough to keep up with them or we'll only be as mediocre as they are...

Big10 is not a pushover conference. I welcome the new competition. All that SEC competition hasn't stopped them from winning the last 4 titles...

The big10 has won one title the last 10 years....big12 two....

 

[WashingtonRed]

The Big 10 isn't a weak conference. The perceived strength of the Big 10 is proportionate to the perceived strength of their trifecta of power (Ohio St, Michigan, and Penn St).

That is the same as Big XII, where the perceived strength is proportionate to the strength of Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska.

The difference is that Texas and Oklahoma have been strong over the last few years, while the Michigan (and Penn St to a degree) have been down.

 

[Ponderosa]

Being invited to join the Big 10 would be a huge parlay for the University and the state.

Nebraska is 38th in population in the country. The other states in the B10 have at least three times the population (save Iowa).

It would be an amazing step. The prestige alone added to University, the Law school, etc. is worth the risk.

As for football - the B10 already has a network and would be set to add a title game. With a tie-in to the Rose Bowl (excellent).

B10/14 West would possibly include: Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa, Minn, WI, Illinois, Northwestern

vs East: Michigan, MSU, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Pitt

Championship played in Indy. Treated as an equal (being asked to join helps). That sounds great.

I am hard pressed to see how recruiting would suffer with more money and new exposure in a different part of the country.

Heck it may even be an advantage, we've already have established pipelines plus we can pay to keeep Bo and company.

And what is the Big XII doing for Nebraska? What can it do?

Create a Texas network with the championship game in Dallas - fan-damn-tastic.

 

[hskrfan4life]

Being invited to join the Big 10 would be a huge parlay for the University and the state.

Nebraska is 38th in population in the country. The other states in the B10 have at least three times the population (save Iowa).

It would be an amazing step. The prestige alone added to University, the Law school, etc. is worth the risk.

As for football - the B10 already has a network and would be set to add a title game. With a tie-in to the Rose Bowl (excellent).

B10/14 West would possibly include: Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa, Minn, WI, Illinois, Northwestern

vs East: Michigan, MSU, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Pitt

Championship played in Indy. Treated as an equal (being asked to join helps). That sounds great.

I am hard pressed to see how recruiting would suffer with more money and new exposure in a different part of the country.

Heck it may even be an advantage, we've already have established pipelines plus we can pay to keeep Bo and company.

And what is the Big XII doing for Nebraska? What can it do?

Create a Texas network with the championship game in Dallas - fan-damn-tastic.

That exactlly what I have been thinking about this whole time. This could be a great thing for us. Indiana the worst team in the Big Ten is getting more revenue then Baylor. Isn't the Big XII the only conference that does not share revenue? Some co-workers have been stating that.

 

[RedNeckHusker]

What I REALLY like about the Big 10 for Nebraska is that it makes so darn much geographic sense. I look forward to getting up bright and early each Saturday morning to make a road trip to...Ann Arbor, Columbus, Chicago, Detroit, Happy Valley, Madison, and Indy. :horns2

I've made almost every conference road game in the last 10 years by CAR, and many of those on the SAME DAY of the game. That's what a conference is supposed to be. I shouldn't have to catch a flight to follow my da*n team.

But we're smarter than every other program. Though no one else would dare trade for this cockamie scheme(including Tejas), we will, because we'z Nebraska, and we'z want mo money, mo presteeeegggg, and we'z hate Tejas.

Absurd.

 

[RedNeckHusker]

Being invited to join the Big 10 would be a huge parlay for the University and the state.

Nebraska is 38th in population in the country. The other states in the B10 have at least three times the population (save Iowa).

It would be an amazing step. The prestige alone added to University, the Law school, etc. is worth the risk.

As for football - the B10 already has a network and would be set to add a title game. With a tie-in to the Rose Bowl (excellent).

B10/14 West would possibly include: Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa, Minn, WI, Illinois, Northwestern

vs East: Michigan, MSU, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State, Penn State, Pitt

Championship played in Indy. Treated as an equal (being asked to join helps). That sounds great.

I am hard pressed to see how recruiting would suffer with more money and new exposure in a different part of the country.

Heck it may even be an advantage, we've already have established pipelines plus we can pay to keeep Bo and company.

And what is the Big XII doing for Nebraska? What can it do?

Create a Texas network with the championship game in Dallas - fan-damn-tastic.

That exactlly what I have been thinking about this whole time. This could be a great thing for us. Indiana the worst team in the Big Ten is getting more revenue then Baylor. Isn't the Big XII the only conference that does not share revenue? Some co-workers have been stating that.

Yes...and that fact is supposed to support a move to the Big 10? :LOLtartar