GAMEDAY....Illinois vs Northwestern

Gameday is a leech on a$$ of the game. It is a giant pile of everything that is wrong with college football - glamor over substance, hype over on-field production. They are the reason college football is gravitating more towards how you look rather than how you play.

And exposure? College Gameday doesn't give exposure, it rides the coattails of the exposure inherent in the game. Gameday doesn't make the game - the game makes Gameday. Everyone has this backwards, as if the game isn't important if these fools don't show up. It's one of the most disheartening things for me to see people wait with bated breath to see if Gameday will come to justify the importance of their team's game. We're freaking NEBRASKA. Who in the world thinks we need ESPN's Gameday to make our games important? We fill stadiums across this country - what possible validation can some yahoos yucking it up on a gameshow set provide us? What possible validation can they give Florida, Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, etc?

Everyone has the cart before the horse here. Gameday is nothing. THE GAME is everything.
I don't really agree with most of this. Pageantry is a significant part of the great tradition of college football. And yes, GameDay is part pageantry. But it's also part substance, and I think CF is one of the better journalists in the sport. Although I don't regularly watch the entire show (I'm either driving to Lincoln or sleeping), I mostly enjoy what I see.

It's a great display of the excitement and passion of the fan base, and I don't see how it takes anything away from the game. The fans aren't thinking about GameDay come kickoff.

Even if you don't personally enjoy it, you can't deny the impact is has culturally. And recruits are observers of the culture who can be swayed by seeing a great GameDay crowd, just as they can be swayed by seeing the latest incarnation of Oregon's uniforms (regardless of how many fans may despise them).

For those that want it, I think there's a chance we could get GameDay @ Wisconsin and then vs. Ohio St. next year. Those are historic games.

 
Gameday is a leech on a$$ of the game. It is a giant pile of everything that is wrong with college football - glamor over substance, hype over on-field production. They are the reason college football is gravitating more towards how you look rather than how you play.

And exposure? College Gameday doesn't give exposure, it rides the coattails of the exposure inherent in the game. Gameday doesn't make the game - the game makes Gameday. Everyone has this backwards, as if the game isn't important if these fools don't show up. It's one of the most disheartening things for me to see people wait with bated breath to see if Gameday will come to justify the importance of their team's game. We're freaking NEBRASKA. Who in the world thinks we need ESPN's Gameday to make our games important? We fill stadiums across this country - what possible validation can some yahoos yucking it up on a gameshow set provide us? What possible validation can they give Florida, Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, etc?

Everyone has the cart before the horse here. Gameday is nothing. THE GAME is everything.
I don't really agree with most of this. Pageantry is a significant part of the great tradition of college football. And yes, GameDay is part pageantry. But it's also part substance, and I think CF is one of the better journalists in the sport. Although I don't regularly watch the entire show (I'm either driving to Lincoln or sleeping), I mostly enjoy what I see.

It's a great display of the excitement and passion of the fan base, and I don't see how it takes anything away from the game. The fans aren't thinking about GameDay come kickoff.

Even if you don't personally enjoy it, you can't deny the impact is has culturally. And recruits are observers of the culture who can be swayed by seeing a great GameDay crowd, just as they can be swayed by seeing the latest incarnation of Oregon's uniforms (regardless of how many fans may despise them).

For those that want it, I think there's a chance we could get GameDay @ Wisconsin and then vs. Ohio St. next year. Those are historic games.
This is like saying McDonald's is a "great display" of American cuisine. It's not - it's garbage. It happens to be ubiquitous garbage, and well-advertised, but it's still garbage.

People have sold pet rocks to the masses, and the masses bought them. Because the masses buy something does not make it a worthy thing. It means they have been sold something, and in this case, something they do not need.

Sure, Gameday provides some information. Sure, there are decent reporters associated with it. But because it has a modicum of worth does not make it worthy.

If some people like Gameday, I'm not telling them to stop. Some folks just love their Big Mac, too. More power to them. But if there are going to be 20 threads per year bemoaning the fact that we don't "get" Gameday, there will be posts in those threads denouncing Gameday for being what it is - a sideshow, full of clowns, with little impact on what makes college sports great.

 
Gameday is a leech on a$$ of the game. It is a giant pile of everything that is wrong with college football - glamor over substance, hype over on-field production. They are the reason college football is gravitating more towards how you look rather than how you play.

And exposure? College Gameday doesn't give exposure, it rides the coattails of the exposure inherent in the game. Gameday doesn't make the game - the game makes Gameday. Everyone has this backwards, as if the game isn't important if these fools don't show up. It's one of the most disheartening things for me to see people wait with bated breath to see if Gameday will come to justify the importance of their team's game. We're freaking NEBRASKA. Who in the world thinks we need ESPN's Gameday to make our games important? We fill stadiums across this country - what possible validation can some yahoos yucking it up on a gameshow set provide us? What possible validation can they give Florida, Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, etc?

Everyone has the cart before the horse here. Gameday is nothing. THE GAME is everything.
I don't really agree with most of this. Pageantry is a significant part of the great tradition of college football. And yes, GameDay is part pageantry. But it's also part substance, and I think CF is one of the better journalists in the sport. Although I don't regularly watch the entire show (I'm either driving to Lincoln or sleeping), I mostly enjoy what I see.

It's a great display of the excitement and passion of the fan base, and I don't see how it takes anything away from the game. The fans aren't thinking about GameDay come kickoff.

Even if you don't personally enjoy it, you can't deny the impact is has culturally. And recruits are observers of the culture who can be swayed by seeing a great GameDay crowd, just as they can be swayed by seeing the latest incarnation of Oregon's uniforms (regardless of how many fans may despise them).

For those that want it, I think there's a chance we could get GameDay @ Wisconsin and then vs. Ohio St. next year. Those are historic games.
The problem with that is the fact that is economically beneficial for ESPN to have fan interest higher for certain teams and certain leagues, teams and leagues they have signed lucrative coverage contracts with. Switzerland they ain't. ESPN is in no way synonymous with journalism...they don't employ journalists. They feature entertainers masquerading as impartial reporters, and those "reports" drum up interest (read: eyeballs and dollars) in certain teams while intentionally either disparaging or ignoring other, equally worthy programs. To me, pageantry in college football is embodied in fight songs and walk ons and rally cries, (Go Big Red!) not the embarrassing jackassery of Lee Corso playing dress up with mascot heads.

CF is decent though, that's true.

 
Gameday is a leech on a$$ of the game. It is a giant pile of everything that is wrong with college football - glamor over substance, hype over on-field production. They are the reason college football is gravitating more towards how you look rather than how you play.

And exposure? College Gameday doesn't give exposure, it rides the coattails of the exposure inherent in the game. Gameday doesn't make the game - the game makes Gameday. Everyone has this backwards, as if the game isn't important if these fools don't show up. It's one of the most disheartening things for me to see people wait with bated breath to see if Gameday will come to justify the importance of their team's game. We're freaking NEBRASKA. Who in the world thinks we need ESPN's Gameday to make our games important? We fill stadiums across this country - what possible validation can some yahoos yucking it up on a gameshow set provide us? What possible validation can they give Florida, Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, etc?

Everyone has the cart before the horse here. Gameday is nothing. THE GAME is everything.
I don't really agree with most of this. Pageantry is a significant part of the great tradition of college football. And yes, GameDay is part pageantry. But it's also part substance, and I think CF is one of the better journalists in the sport. Although I don't regularly watch the entire show (I'm either driving to Lincoln or sleeping), I mostly enjoy what I see.

It's a great display of the excitement and passion of the fan base, and I don't see how it takes anything away from the game. The fans aren't thinking about GameDay come kickoff.

Even if you don't personally enjoy it, you can't deny the impact is has culturally. And recruits are observers of the culture who can be swayed by seeing a great GameDay crowd, just as they can be swayed by seeing the latest incarnation of Oregon's uniforms (regardless of how many fans may despise them).

For those that want it, I think there's a chance we could get GameDay @ Wisconsin and then vs. Ohio St. next year. Those are historic games.
This is like saying McDonald's is a "great display" of American cuisine. It's not - it's garbage. It happens to be ubiquitous garbage, and well-advertised, but it's still garbage.

People have sold pet rocks to the masses, and the masses bought them. Because the masses buy something does not make it a worthy thing. It means they have been sold something, and in this case, something they do not need.

Sure, Gameday provides some information. Sure, there are decent reporters associated with it. But because it has a modicum of worth does not make it worthy.

If some people like Gameday, I'm not telling them to stop. Some folks just love their Big Mac, too. More power to them. But if there are going to be 20 threads per year bemoaning the fact that we don't "get" Gameday, there will be posts in those threads denouncing Gameday for being what it is - a sideshow, full of clowns, with little impact on what makes college sports great.
I like McDonald's. It's not world-class cuisine, but guess what... football isn't exactly high culture. But it's amazing for what it is. I don't see anything about GameDay that dumbs down football a single bit. It's no different than our Tunnel Walk. Or mascots, or cheerleaders.

Also, I said GameDay was a great display of passionate fans, not of the game itself. And it is. And yes, the sport would still be great without it, but that doesn't mean it's of no value. I don't think there's anything that needs denouncing. Nobody that I've seen is claiming GameDay is some kind of integral part of why CFB is good. It's just fun, well-produced television with occasionally interesting stories that gets you excited for the games ahead (it's over before a single game kicks off). And the live crowd is what gives it its energy.

 
Gameday is a leech on a$$ of the game. It is a giant pile of everything that is wrong with college football - glamor over substance, hype over on-field production. They are the reason college football is gravitating more towards how you look rather than how you play.

And exposure? College Gameday doesn't give exposure, it rides the coattails of the exposure inherent in the game. Gameday doesn't make the game - the game makes Gameday. Everyone has this backwards, as if the game isn't important if these fools don't show up. It's one of the most disheartening things for me to see people wait with bated breath to see if Gameday will come to justify the importance of their team's game. We're freaking NEBRASKA. Who in the world thinks we need ESPN's Gameday to make our games important? We fill stadiums across this country - what possible validation can some yahoos yucking it up on a gameshow set provide us? What possible validation can they give Florida, Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, etc?

Everyone has the cart before the horse here. Gameday is nothing. THE GAME is everything.
I don't really agree with most of this. Pageantry is a significant part of the great tradition of college football. And yes, GameDay is part pageantry. But it's also part substance, and I think CF is one of the better journalists in the sport. Although I don't regularly watch the entire show (I'm either driving to Lincoln or sleeping), I mostly enjoy what I see.

It's a great display of the excitement and passion of the fan base, and I don't see how it takes anything away from the game. The fans aren't thinking about GameDay come kickoff.

Even if you don't personally enjoy it, you can't deny the impact is has culturally. And recruits are observers of the culture who can be swayed by seeing a great GameDay crowd, just as they can be swayed by seeing the latest incarnation of Oregon's uniforms (regardless of how many fans may despise them).

For those that want it, I think there's a chance we could get GameDay @ Wisconsin and then vs. Ohio St. next year. Those are historic games.
This is like saying McDonald's is a "great display" of American cuisine. It's not - it's garbage. It happens to be ubiquitous garbage, and well-advertised, but it's still garbage.

People have sold pet rocks to the masses, and the masses bought them. Because the masses buy something does not make it a worthy thing. It means they have been sold something, and in this case, something they do not need.

Sure, Gameday provides some information. Sure, there are decent reporters associated with it. But because it has a modicum of worth does not make it worthy.

If some people like Gameday, I'm not telling them to stop. Some folks just love their Big Mac, too. More power to them. But if there are going to be 20 threads per year bemoaning the fact that we don't "get" Gameday, there will be posts in those threads denouncing Gameday for being what it is - a sideshow, full of clowns, with little impact on what makes college sports great.
I like McDonald's. It's not world-class cuisine, but guess what... football isn't exactly high culture. But it's amazing for what it is. I don't see anything about GameDay that dumbs down football a single bit. It's no different than our Tunnel Walk. Or mascots, or cheerleaders.

Also, I said GameDay was a great display of passionate fans, not of the game itself. And it is. And yes, the sport would still be great without it, but that doesn't mean it's of no value. I don't think there's anything that needs denouncing. Nobody that I've seen is claiming GameDay is some kind of integral part of why CFB is good. It's just fun, well-produced television with occasionally interesting stories that gets you excited for the games ahead (it's over before a single game kicks off). And the live crowd is what gives it its energy.
I guess it's safe to say that I'm being overly dramatic, partially for the fun of it and partially to be a goof, but to be really serious, I put no value in Gameday. You're right in that it's harmless, and that largely there is nothing about it that needs to be denounced. I do tend to let the hyperbole run amok at times.

I think I can boil it down to two major issues: One, that Gameday is in the business of King-making, and I find that troubling in a program with the pull it has. I do not agree with their narrow focus on the flavor-of-the-month teams, even when we are that flavor, because as a whole college football is better than they make it out to be. USC was not the end-all, be-all of college football these few years past, but to hear them prattle on you'd think they were the only team going sometimes. And that's unnecessary and annoying to me. Two, that a lack of Gameday in Lincoln is somehow a bad thing, or devalues our games. Probably this is a factor of me being older than the hills and I'm showing my age here, but I have never needed anything other than the band marching in, some friends at a tailgate and my team taking the field to make the day valuable. I have never wanted or desired more than that for my game experience. The focus on Gameday as a necessary thing feels to me like some need the validation that Gameday brings, and feel a loss without it. I have never, and likely will never, feel that loss.

 
I think it's kind of naive to state ESPN gameday is nothing/garbage/etc. It's exciting, nation-wide coverage of cfb. Is it full of stupid & funny comments/opinions? Sure! Just like every other cfb internet forum, radio or TV broadcasting crew and so on.

It's just amazing that they would pick "Illinois-Northwestern"

 
I think it's kind of naive to state ESPN gameday is nothing/garbage/etc. It's exciting, nation-wide coverage of cfb. Is it full of stupid & funny comments/opinions? Sure! Just like every other cfb internet forum, radio or TV broadcasting crew and so on.

It's just amazing that they would pick "Illinois-Northwestern"
A difference of opinion doesn't make someone naive. I love how that word is used online these days. :lol:

 
I think it's kind of naive to state ESPN gameday is nothing/garbage/etc. It's exciting, nation-wide coverage of cfb. Is it full of stupid & funny comments/opinions? Sure! Just like every other cfb internet forum, radio or TV broadcasting crew and so on.

It's just amazing that they would pick "Illinois-Northwestern"
A difference of opinion doesn't make someone naive. I love how that word is used online these days. :lol:
Yes, you're right. It came across much harsher than I intended. I sincerely apologize.

 
I used to watch gameday. Don't anymore.

Too much conjecture, commercials, fluff, hype, and really...besides the inherent exposure if it's at your school, has ZERO FREAKING OUTCOME ON THE GAME.

I agree w Knapplc. It's stupid

 
I think it's kind of naive to state ESPN gameday is nothing/garbage/etc. It's exciting, nation-wide coverage of cfb. Is it full of stupid & funny comments/opinions? Sure! Just like every other cfb internet forum, radio or TV broadcasting crew and so on.

It's just amazing that they would pick "Illinois-Northwestern"
A difference of opinion doesn't make someone naive. I love how that word is used online these days. :lol:
Yes, you're right. It came across much harsher than I intended. I sincerely apologize.
No worries. I go to another message board where "naive" is thrown out there as often as commas. I thought it was funny.

 
Speaking of this game at Wrigley, look at this ridiculous setup for the end zone. One writer calls it a "widowmaker." Gotta agree. :o

wrigley-field-football.jpg


 
Why write on forums, tailgate, tunnel walk, cheer, watch the band, watch game on tv, wear retro jerseys? This is COLLEGE football. Things like this are what make college football great, especially for the kids playing it. They get pumped up for things like this. I never said gameday was going to have an outcome on the game it is just cool to watch if your team is apart of it.

Talking about a "product", being either popular or garbage. I dont think wearing Air Walks from Walmart are as cool as Nike Air Jordans from Foot Locker. Dont know if anyone will get that or if it has relevance to what you were saying, just thought I'd toss it out there for ya.

 
Speaking of this game at Wrigley, look at this ridiculous setup for the end zone. One writer calls it a "widowmaker." Gotta agree. :o

wrigley-field-football.jpg
I agree, this set up is just asking for athletes to get injured. I know there is some padding, but if a guy running full speed lays out to catch a pass in the back of the endzone he is going to get hurt, padding or not. I read that there is 4-6 inch gap in some areas from the back of the endzone and the brick wall.

 
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