Slot Receiver

[Hunter94]

T-Mart needs to move to slot receiver, why?

1) Paul is gone, other than Kyler Reed, we have no receivers that can take it to the house, the kid would be deadly in space, assuming he can catch the ball.

2) TM has no natural throwing mechanics, nor feel for the pocket, why waste coaching time on a qb who has little natural throwing skills or pocket presence.

3) Wats has proven he can't coach a qb, i am convinced of that, so working with TM who has limited skills will continue to be a time consuming, low reward activity, let's face the facts, Wats and TM have handicaps, together they will never shine.

4) let's bring Green along, until the new qb recruits get here and for gawd's sake, let's at least get a real qb coach in here to help these kids!

 

[Hercules]

This would require us to change our offensive system yet again. Cody Green doesn't fit what we were trying to do in 2010.

 

[corncraze]

We have Kenny Bell for a slot man

 

[knapplc]

I think heading into a schedule that is likely to be the toughest in the country next year with a Freshman/Redshirt Freshman at QB is a recipe for absolute disaster.

IF (and this is a big IF), IF Cody Green miraculously makes massive strides in all phases of his game during the offseason, I'll be more comfortable moving Taylor from QB.

However, reality tells me that at age 20 we haven't seen the best of Taylor Martinez quite yet. If 2010 was his basement, I can't wait to see what his ceiling is.

 

[Husker_x]

Personally I find it kind of hard to have these kinds of conversations anymore. The fact of the matter is until you've cured the disease that is this offensive with a major coaching overhall, moving player X here and Y there won't make a lick of difference. Our offensive ineptitude was on full display in all phases from organization to individual positions. I have to agree with knapplc on this issue, though. Unless Cody has a monster offseason, fat chance we see any big changes at QB. This seems pretty unlikely with Green, as it seems the coaches have gone out of their way to put him in a position to fail since he got here.

 

[iruletheskool]

I think heading into a schedule that is likely to be the toughest in the country next year

Penn State's is probably worse.

 

[Hunter94]

Personally I find it kind of hard to have these kinds of conversations anymore. The fact of the matter is until you've cured the disease that is this offensive with a major coaching overhall, moving player X here and Y there won't make a lick of difference. Our offensive ineptitude was on full display in all phases from organization to individual positions. I have to agree with knapplc on this issue, though. Unless Cody has a monster offseason, fat chance we see any big changes at QB. This seems pretty unlikely with Green, as it seems the coaches have gone out of their way to put him in a position to fail since he got here.

kind of makes you wonder why Green puts up with this sh#t?....and remember this, the only thing TM knows how to do is run the zone read, that leaves him far from being a true qb in my book, with durability and throwing skills both a huge question mark!

 

[huskerscott]

Personally I find it kind of hard to have these kinds of conversations anymore. The fact of the matter is until you've cured the disease that is this offensive with a major coaching overhall, moving player X here and Y there won't make a lick of difference. Our offensive ineptitude was on full display in all phases from organization to individual positions. I have to agree with knapplc on this issue, though. Unless Cody has a monster offseason, fat chance we see any big changes at QB. This seems pretty unlikely with Green, as it seems the coaches have gone out of their way to put him in a position to fail since he got here.

kind of makes you wonder why Green puts up with this sh#t?....and remember this, the only thing TM knows how to do is run the zone read, that leaves him far from being a true qb in my book, with durability and throwing skills both a huge question mark!

Agree.... We dont know if Tmart can even catch a pass let alone play slot receiver.

 

[huskerscott]

I think heading into a schedule that is likely to be the toughest in the country next year with a Freshman/Redshirt Freshman at QB is a recipe for absolute disaster.

IF (and this is a big IF), IF Cody Green miraculously makes massive strides in all phases of his game during the offseason, I'll be more comfortable moving Taylor from QB.

However, reality tells me that at age 20 we haven't seen the best of Taylor Martinez quite yet. If 2010 was his basement, I can't wait to see what his ceiling is.

Sadly, I think we have seen his ceiling already, the first 4 games of last year. Not because the lack of Taylor's talents, because the inadequate coaching that we have endured on the offensive side of the ball the last 2 years. It amazing our OLine and Receivers have gotten worse since that previous staff was dismissed.

If our lineman dont block and our receivers cant catch, add that in with a real sketchy OC..... we have a major problem on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[Hercules]

Personally I find it kind of hard to have these kinds of conversations anymore. The fact of the matter is until you've cured the disease that is this offensive with a major coaching overhall, moving player X here and Y there won't make a lick of difference. Our offensive ineptitude was on full display in all phases from organization to individual positions. I have to agree with knapplc on this issue, though. Unless Cody has a monster offseason, fat chance we see any big changes at QB. This seems pretty unlikely with Green, as it seems the coaches have gone out of their way to put him in a position to fail since he got here.

kind of makes you wonder why Green puts up with this sh#t?....and remember this, the only thing TM knows how to do is run the zone read, that leaves him far from being a true qb in my book, with durability and throwing skills both a huge question mark!

The way I see it, our offense could go in one of two directions for next year, if we're going to keep the spread option look. We could go the Auburn/Florida direction, where the QB has to be able to run but is more like a fullback (Tebow/Newton), and this would fit Green pretty well. Or we could go the Oregon direction, where you have a smaller but quicker runner at the QB spot, who isn't going to pound away on 3rd and 2, but who is going to force defenses to account for his speed and playmaking ability on the ground more.

We've been recruiting more towards the "Oregon" system, and Martinez is that kind of player, and that's closer to how our running game worked early in 2010. If Cody Green takes over, we'd need to recheme it and use our QB more like Auburn used Cam Newton. I think Cody could fit into that kind of system, but he's too big and slow for what we tried to do in 2010.

As far as their passing game goes, it's a wash. As far as I can tell, Martinez is a little more accurate, but makes poorer decisions and has poorer pocket presence than Cody. Cody just misses throws.

 

[suh_fan93]

I'm just not sold on a Martinez led Husker team but it's not so much about his ability or lack thereof but rather an offensive line and scheme issue. We'll always be a primarily running team with Martinez as QB. We have an offensive coordinator who isn't suited to run a rush oriented offense for one nor do we have a Wisconsin downhill type of offensive line for another. If Washington can stop us just think what those Big 10 teams are going to do next year.

I think teams have figured out how to stop the Watson/Martinez offense. I'd be shocked if that weren't the case next year and NU somehow figures out another way to use him QB wise. I just don't see it happening unless he somehow becomes a throwing quarterback. If Watson would take time to actually develop a short to intermediate passing game and actually integrate it into the offense then this might be a different story. Again I don't see that happening either.

The slot imo is where he should be however he'll be our starting quarterback when the season starts next year.

I think the biggest question besides does Nebraska come out and run the exact same offense next year is can Martinez stay healthy.

 

[Hercules]

I'm just not sold on a Martinez led Husker team but it's not so much about his ability or lack thereof but rather an offensive line and scheme issue. We'll always be a primarily running team with Martinez as QB. We have an offensive coordinator who isn't suited to run a rush oriented offense for one nor do we have a Wisconsin downhill type of offensive line for another. If Washington can stop us just think what those Big 10 teams are going to do next year.

I think teams have figured out how to stop the Watson/Martinez offense. I'd be shocked if that weren't the case next year and NU somehow figures out another way to use him QB wise. I just don't see it happening unless he somehow becomes a throwing quarterback. If Watson would take time to actually develop a short to intermediate passing game then this might be a different story. Again I don't see that happening either.

The slot imo is where he should be however he'll be our starting quarterback when the season starts next year.

There's nothing wrong with running an option/run-first offense in the Big 10. Oregon or Auburn would not have had any trouble against Big 10 defenses had they faced them. Running an option scheme with a running QB is fine, we just have to get better at it, from coaches down to players. But we're never going to get better at it if we completely overhaul our offensive system every stinkin' year.

 

[suh_fan93]

I'm just not sold on a Martinez led Husker team but it's not so much about his ability or lack thereof but rather an offensive line and scheme issue. We'll always be a primarily running team with Martinez as QB. We have an offensive coordinator who isn't suited to run a rush oriented offense for one nor do we have a Wisconsin downhill type of offensive line for another. If Washington can stop us just think what those Big 10 teams are going to do next year.

I think teams have figured out how to stop the Watson/Martinez offense. I'd be shocked if that weren't the case next year and NU somehow figures out another way to use him QB wise. I just don't see it happening unless he somehow becomes a throwing quarterback. If Watson would take time to actually develop a short to intermediate passing game then this might be a different story. Again I don't see that happening either.

The slot imo is where he should be however he'll be our starting quarterback when the season starts next year.

There's nothing wrong with running an option/run-first offense in the Big 10. Oregon or Auburn would not have had any trouble against Big 10 defenses had they faced them. Running an option scheme with a running QB is fine, we just have to get better at it, from coaches down to players. But we're never going to get better at it if we completely overhaul our offensive system every stinkin' year.

As Washington's defense showed running a successful run first type of offense has nothing to do with what conference you're from. For Nebraska anyway it's about not being horribly, horribly predictable if that's the offense you choose to go with. By the time NU got to Washington it was like taking candy from a baby.

Nebraska isn't diversified at all on offense so were left with an offensive line and QB who are thrown to the wolves.

You're right. We do need to get better at it.

 

[Hercules]

I'm just not sold on a Martinez led Husker team but it's not so much about his ability or lack thereof but rather an offensive line and scheme issue. We'll always be a primarily running team with Martinez as QB. We have an offensive coordinator who isn't suited to run a rush oriented offense for one nor do we have a Wisconsin downhill type of offensive line for another. If Washington can stop us just think what those Big 10 teams are going to do next year.

I think teams have figured out how to stop the Watson/Martinez offense. I'd be shocked if that weren't the case next year and NU somehow figures out another way to use him QB wise. I just don't see it happening unless he somehow becomes a throwing quarterback. If Watson would take time to actually develop a short to intermediate passing game then this might be a different story. Again I don't see that happening either.

The slot imo is where he should be however he'll be our starting quarterback when the season starts next year.

There's nothing wrong with running an option/run-first offense in the Big 10. Oregon or Auburn would not have had any trouble against Big 10 defenses had they faced them. Running an option scheme with a running QB is fine, we just have to get better at it, from coaches down to players. But we're never going to get better at it if we completely overhaul our offensive system every stinkin' year.

As Washington's defense showed running a successful run first type of offense has nothing to do with what conference you're from. For Nebraska anyway it's about not being horribly, horribly predictable if that's the offense you choose to go with. By the team NU got to Washington it was like taking candy from a baby.

Not going to disagree that we need to get about 1000 times at our offense. the washington performance was pathetic.

 

[huskerscott]

I'm just not sold on a Martinez led Husker team but it's not so much about his ability or lack thereof but rather an offensive line and scheme issue. We'll always be a primarily running team with Martinez as QB. We have an offensive coordinator who isn't suited to run a rush oriented offense for one nor do we have a Wisconsin downhill type of offensive line for another. If Washington can stop us just think what those Big 10 teams are going to do next year.

I think teams have figured out how to stop the Watson/Martinez offense. I'd be shocked if that weren't the case next year and NU somehow figures out another way to use him QB wise. I just don't see it happening unless he somehow becomes a throwing quarterback. If Watson would take time to actually develop a short to intermediate passing game then this might be a different story. Again I don't see that happening either.

The slot imo is where he should be however he'll be our starting quarterback when the season starts next year.

There's nothing wrong with running an option/run-first offense in the Big 10. Oregon or Auburn would not have had any trouble against Big 10 defenses had they faced them. Running an option scheme with a running QB is fine, we just have to get better at it, from coaches down to players. But we're never going to get better at it if we completely overhaul our offensive system every stinkin' year.

As Washington's defense showed running a successful run first type of offense has nothing to do with what conference you're from. It's about being horribly, horribly predictable.

Agree our offense is deathly predictable. Im not saying run 35 different formations in a game. We need to really incorporate play action in this offense out of the shotgun formation. DEs and LBs were T-ing off on us at the end of the year, Why??? Because out of the gun they knew only 2 players were going to get the ball, the QB or the RB. This where a jailbreak screen could come in or PA to the TE or some motion with the slot for a fake reverse.

There's a lot of work to do in the offseason if we wanna get back to 10 wins next season.