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Hunter94 said:
Husker_x said:
Personally I find it kind of hard to have these kinds of conversations anymore. The fact of the matter is until you've cured the disease that is this offensive with a major coaching overhall, moving player X here and Y there won't make a lick of difference. Our offensive ineptitude was on full display in all phases from organization to individual positions. I have to agree with knapplc on this issue, though. Unless Cody has a monster offseason, fat chance we see any big changes at QB. This seems pretty unlikely with Green, as it seems the coaches have gone out of their way to put him in a position to fail since he got here.
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kind of makes you wonder why Green puts up with this sh#t?....and remember this, the only thing TM knows how to do is run the zone read, that leaves him far from being a true qb in my book, with durability and throwing skills both a huge question mark!
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How would it make you feel if TO stated that TM was without a question the very best passer on the team and has been hampered by injury and "other factors" that haven't allowed him to showcase his abilities?

 
walksalone said:
I'm probably going to get drawn and quartered for this, but we truly need the WR's that were here the last two years of the Clownahan regime.
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Not that I disagree, but would they ever get the coaching they need, or be allowed to make an impact on the game? Taking into consideration what has gone on with the WRs the last couple of years, I would venture to say "NO."

 
Hunter94 said:
2) TM has no natural throwing mechanics, nor feel for the pocket, why waste coaching time on a qb who has little natural throwing skills or pocket presence.
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People kept saying that about Tommie Frazier up until his very last game!

 
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Husker_x said:
Personally I find it kind of hard to have these kinds of conversations anymore. The fact of the matter is until you've cured the disease that is this offensive with a major coaching overhall, moving player X here and Y there won't make a lick of difference. Our offensive ineptitude was on full display in all phases from organization to individual positions. I have to agree with knapplc on this issue, though. Unless Cody has a monster offseason, fat chance we see any big changes at QB. This seems pretty unlikely with Green, as it seems the coaches have gone out of their way to put him in a position to fail since he got here.
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exactly. It doesn't matter where watsgrove puts players, he doesn't know how to get them mismatches and the ball in open space. I mean Gyllien is a perfect example. The guy has blazing speed. So he doesn't block too well. So, get him in some WR middle screens or on a reverse or a hitch and go off of a bootleg 2-4 times a game just purely for mismatches. Mike mcneill anyone? Watsgrove CANNOT schematically plan for mismatches, until that is fixed we will hit 80 yd touchdowns during the first 4 games, then crap the bed against conference foes.

 
knapplc said:
Joe_5700 said:
Hunter94 said:
2) TM has no natural throwing mechanics, nor feel for the pocket, why waste coaching time on a qb who has little natural throwing skills or pocket presence.
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People kept saying that about Tommie Frazier up until his very last game!
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Yep, all Tommie could do was run. What a bust his career was because he was so one-dimensional!
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It's funny but Tommie really could be depended on to throw when we needed to. Your post reminded me of the Colorado game where he was being tackled and just before he hit the ground he somehow found and hit Ahman Green who went on to run for a good 20 yards. He had some really nice passes in the '94 Orange Bowl too. Frazier could throw a nice ball when asked to.

 
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suh_fan93 said:
It's funny but Tommie really could be depended on to throw when we needed to. Your post reminded me of the Colorado game where he was being tackled and just before he hit the ground he somehow found and hit Ahman Green who went on to run for a good 20 yards. He had some really nice passes in the '94 Orange Bowl too. Frazier could throw a nice ball when asked to.
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Would you classify Tommie as a passing QB, though? That's the point.

 
knapplc said:
suh_fan93 said:
It's funny but Tommie really could be depended on to throw when we needed to. Your post reminded me of the Colorado game where he was being tackled and just before he hit the ground he somehow found and hit Ahman Green who went on to run for a good 20 yards. He had some really nice passes in the '94 Orange Bowl too. Frazier could throw a nice ball when asked to.
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Would you classify Tommie as a passing QB, though? That's the point.
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I must have missed the conversation but obviously not. He could however be depended on to pass when we needed him to. Tommie ran the option to perfection and that's what he's known for. He was a decent passer also.

 
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suh_fan93 said:
knapplc said:
suh_fan93 said:
It's funny but Tommie really could be depended on to throw when we needed to. Your post reminded me of the Colorado game where he was being tackled and just before he hit the ground he somehow found and hit Ahman Green who went on to run for a good 20 yards. He had some really nice passes in the '94 Orange Bowl too. Frazier could throw a nice ball when asked to.
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Would you classify Tommie as a passing QB, though? That's the point.
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I must have missed the conversation but obviously not. He could however be depended on to pass when we needed him to. Tommie ran the option to perfection and that's what he's known for. He was a decent passer also.
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Tommie could only pass decently because he was a threat to run. If all the defense had to do was worry about Tommie Frazier passing, and Lawrence Phillips rushing, that offense would have been a lot easier to defend.

A big reason those offenses were so difficult to defend was that everyone was a weapon. The fullback was a threat, the i-back was a threat the QB was a threat on the ground, and the fact that the running game was that ferocious made it easy for less skilled passers to exploit the defense with their arm.

 
Hercules said:
suh_fan93 said:
knapplc said:
suh_fan93 said:
It's funny but Tommie really could be depended on to throw when we needed to. Your post reminded me of the Colorado game where he was being tackled and just before he hit the ground he somehow found and hit Ahman Green who went on to run for a good 20 yards. He had some really nice passes in the '94 Orange Bowl too. Frazier could throw a nice ball when asked to.
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Would you classify Tommie as a passing QB, though? That's the point.
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I must have missed the conversation but obviously not. He could however be depended on to pass when we needed him to. Tommie ran the option to perfection and that's what he's known for. He was a decent passer also.
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Tommie could only pass decently because he was a threat to run. If all the defense had to do was worry about Tommie Frazier passing, and Lawrence Phillips rushing, that offense would have been a lot easier to defend.

A big reason those offenses were so difficult to defend was that everyone was a weapon. The fullback was a threat, the i-back was a threat the QB was a threat on the ground, and the fact that the running game was that ferocious made it easy for less skilled passers to exploit the defense with their arm.
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I must have missed out on the original intent of the discussion going on in here but I read knapplc's post and was reminded of how reliable of a passer Frazier was when called upon to do so. I'm not sure what else you're trying to point out besides the obvious.

Also Tommie could pass decently because he was an adequate/decent passer, not just because we had a great running game. Frazier saw a target and hit it when he needed to. Period.

 
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Tommie was a career 50% passer. I don't think he's often accused of being a passing threat, so I'm not sure where we're going with this.

 
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