Shaun Prater on Nebraska

[bigg10]

Really. You've got to be kidding me with that.

Solid but not like 1st round material man

Got a point there. Like I said Prater was told by several teams he would go 5th round this year. Thats 2 better than Hagg went. I think Prater is trying to up his stock, but I also think it speaks alot about him to come back and graduate.

Irrelevant to a discussion about college football. The needs in college are different than the needs in the NFL. Hagg going seventh round means nothing to his value to the Huskers the last few years.

Draft position is a terrible metric for gauging a player's worth. Kurt Warner was undrafted. Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round. There have been half a billion busts in the first round alone. The NFL draft is the most overrated way to rate a player ever.

Well I think when you are in the billion dollar business of scouting and drafting talent, you have a pretty good idea who is who. Plus the "million" dollar drop from round to round places a pretty good metric on how much they value those rounds.

I do agree in some ways thou, say Prater has a bad year and drops to 10th round, does that in it's self mean that he was not as good as everyone else who has ever gone in rounds 1-9? I dont think so. All I was trying to say is he is very good, as far as who would have beaten who, we will never know, so that argument is nothing more than opinion.

I'll agree that Prater is very good, but I'm not going to base my evaluation of him on where he's drafted by the idiots in the NFL. More often than not I think NFL talent scouts are ignored by their owners. How else do you explain Jake Locker going eighth overall when he got shut down by Nebraska not once but twice last year? He is not an NFL QB, but he's going to make millions next year because some fool drafted him in the top ten. If he thought the Nebraska defense was tough last year, how will he fare against NFL-caliber defenses?

The NFL draft is a waste. Ignore it completely when evaluating the worth of a player.

I understand what you are saying. I just see it a bit different. Locker is a very good qb. The fact that you shut him down is because you have a very good D. Your D will go high in the draft as well. After kids go pro, they still may never get play time, but if they train and do, in 5 years you could very well see Locker playing some of your D again. The draft is nothing more than guessing which ones will work out and which ones wont. The higher they go the more a team is willing to invest in the chance they do see play time.

 

[knapplc]

Locker is a very good qb.

Having watched him play two times in the last 12 games, I can say that this is incorrect. I have no idea where all the hype came from about this guy. He is inaccurate, he is fragile, he is indecisive and he is easily rattled. Had our defense actually given a [Mark May] about playing in the Holiday Bowl they would have shut him down worse than they did.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Locker is a very good qb.

Having watched him play two times in the last 12 games, I can say that this is incorrect. I have no idea where all the hype came from about this guy. He is inaccurate, he is fragile, he is indecisive and he is easily rattled. Had our defense actually given a [Mark May] about playing in the Holiday Bowl they would have shut him down worse than they did.

Fragile? I would not say that, he got killed for 4 years and really did not miss to many starts. He had some terrible players on his team for most of that time. Had he gone to USC during those same 4 years, he would have been all people talked about. I am not sure if people know the pounding he took every game. His teammates sucked, I mean, it would be like me and you being his WR's and 5 guys from this site being his O-line.

 

[knapplc]

Locker is a very good qb.

Having watched him play two times in the last 12 games, I can say that this is incorrect. I have no idea where all the hype came from about this guy. He is inaccurate, he is fragile, he is indecisive and he is easily rattled. Had our defense actually given a [Mark May] about playing in the Holiday Bowl they would have shut him down worse than they did.

Fragile? I would not say that, he got killed for 4 years and really did not miss to many starts. He had some terrible players on his team for most of that time. Had he gone to USC during those same 4 years, he would have been all people talked about. I am not sure if people know the pounding he took every game. His teammates sucked, I mean, it would be like me and you being his WR's and 5 guys from this site being his O-line.

I said fragile because he seemed to get pretty dinged by what I thought was a relatively normal hit in the Holiday Bowl.

The far bigger sin, as far as the NFL is concerned, is his inaccuracy. No matter who his WRs are, he has to throw a catchable ball, and he fails to do that far too often.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Locker is a very good qb.

Having watched him play two times in the last 12 games, I can say that this is incorrect. I have no idea where all the hype came from about this guy. He is inaccurate, he is fragile, he is indecisive and he is easily rattled. Had our defense actually given a [Mark May] about playing in the Holiday Bowl they would have shut him down worse than they did.

Fragile? I would not say that, he got killed for 4 years and really did not miss to many starts. He had some terrible players on his team for most of that time. Had he gone to USC during those same 4 years, he would have been all people talked about. I am not sure if people know the pounding he took every game. His teammates sucked, I mean, it would be like me and you being his WR's and 5 guys from this site being his O-line.

I said fragile because he seemed to get pretty dinged by what I thought was a relatively normal hit in the Holiday Bowl.

The far bigger sin, as far as the NFL is concerned, is his inaccuracy. No matter who his WRs are, he has to throw a catchable ball, and he fails to do that far too often.

I do agree with that accuracy part, but honestly, like I said, he was throwing to me and you WHILE running for his life. Maybe I am looking at it differntly but I think its amazing that his accuracy was as good as it was. He did not even have a decent coach until two years ago.

 

[knapplc]

I said much the same thing about Josh Freeman in the NFL, and I was wrong there. Maybe I'm wrong about Locker, too. Have to wait and see.

 

[bigg10]

Hey you could be right. Like I said when drafting it's a gamble. I think as said he did the best with what he had and his "throwing ability" was pretty good (with what he had). I mean Gabbert should be the one who you think did not deserve his round. Dude cashed in plain and simple. Gabbert is more accurate but not near the qb Locker was. Gabbert had a decent OL and massive amounts of talent at WR. But who's the faker here? Gabbert could not put up the #'s when faced with a decent D and Locker did it with very little O help.

 

[The Dude]

Gabbert handled himself much better against NU than Locker. Sure he got his a$$ handed to him, but he didn't really get rattled and knew when to just throw it away. Pretty good decision making all things considered. Gabbert is more of the prototypical pocket passer NFL teams want. Locker is a good runner, but a lousy passer with even worse decision making.

 

[knapplc]

Gabbert handled himself much better against NU than Locker. Sure he got his a$$ handed to him, but he didn't really get rattled and knew when to just throw it away. Pretty good decision making all things considered. Gabbert is more of the prototypical pocket passer NFL teams want. Locker is a good runner, but a lousy passer with even worse decision making.

Yep. Most of the passes Gabbert completed last October were pinpoint throws in blanket coverage, with Crick and Meredith and Allen constantly in his face. If I'm an NFL exec and my choice is Locker or Gabbert, based on what I've seen of the two, I'm taking Gabbert every single time.

 

[The Dude]

Gabbert handled himself much better against NU than Locker. Sure he got his a$$ handed to him, but he didn't really get rattled and knew when to just throw it away. Pretty good decision making all things considered. Gabbert is more of the prototypical pocket passer NFL teams want. Locker is a good runner, but a lousy passer with even worse decision making.

Yep. Most of the passes Gabbert completed last October were pinpoint throws in blanket coverage, with Crick and Meredith and Allen constantly in his face. If I'm an NFL exec and my choice is Locker or Gabbert, based on what I've seen of the two, I'm taking Gabbert every single time.

Honestly, I haven't seen Locker play too much besides the couple Husker games. So obviously that doesn't tell the whole story. But if you're a NFL exec, looking at how they do against a secondary with NFL talent that runs NFL schemes, like Nebraska, is a pretty damned good place to start.