Sad or happy we don't play Iowa State anymore?

[bigg10]

Biggie, plz state your alliance.

I know what you are trying to say, but you are doing it like some ISU'er looking for attention.

 

[NUance]

It goes deeper than athletic departments and like I said is stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The holier than thou attitude is for your new conference, which you are now in. You should share it and be proud of it. Touting the greatness of the Big Ten culture should not be offensive to you. I'm trying to explain it. There is still hatred on the field, so if your only experience with the Big Ten is 8 Saturdays per year, you might not notice.

You talk a lot but you don't say anything, and you talk in circles. You start off wringing your hands that we don't care about one team, then morph into some nonsensical point about the alumnae of various Big Ten schools feeling camaraderie for each other. Which do you want to talk about?

No circles at all. My point is, if a Big Ten school left the conference after 100 years, the Big Ten reaction would be different than the attitude I've read here, which quite frankly surprised me. "Meh" would not be it. It would be a reaction of regret that things didn't work out, even if it's for the best. I've tried to explain why that is, due to the Big Ten's history and culture. I hope in time Nebraska comes to share that. It has helped the Big Ten survive as long as it has.

You’re comparing apples to watermelons. The Big 10 has a different culture and a different leadership agenda than the Big 12. As near as I can tell, the Big 10 places high value in tradition and mutual respect. The Big 12 is run by Texas for the benefit of Texas. (See: The LHN) And this isn’t a new development in the Big 12. It’s been UT’s priority from the beginning. Eventually the Big 12 will blow apart due to the Whorn’s hubris and greed. Do you think the Whorns care even a little bit about Iowa State, Mizzou, the Kansas schools, etc.? No, they don't. So you can’t compare NU leaving the Big 12 to what would happen if a Big 10 school left.

btw, Are you a fan of any particular school? I suspect you are a closet cyclown? Or is that information secret?

 

[biggie]

Biggie, plz state your alliance.

I know what you are trying to say, but you are doing it like some ISU'er looking for attention.

I like Iowa more than ISU but I tend to root for the whole conference.

 

[RedDenver]

I could care less about ISU.

I think you mean couldn't.

 

[biggie]

It goes deeper than athletic departments and like I said is stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The holier than thou attitude is for your new conference, which you are now in. You should share it and be proud of it. Touting the greatness of the Big Ten culture should not be offensive to you. I'm trying to explain it. There is still hatred on the field, so if your only experience with the Big Ten is 8 Saturdays per year, you might not notice.

You talk a lot but you don't say anything, and you talk in circles. You start off wringing your hands that we don't care about one team, then morph into some nonsensical point about the alumnae of various Big Ten schools feeling camaraderie for each other. Which do you want to talk about?

No circles at all. My point is, if a Big Ten school left the conference after 100 years, the Big Ten reaction would be different than the attitude I've read here, which quite frankly surprised me. "Meh" would not be it. It would be a reaction of regret that things didn't work out, even if it's for the best. I've tried to explain why that is, due to the Big Ten's history and culture. I hope in time Nebraska comes to share that. It has helped the Big Ten survive as long as it has.

You’re comparing apples to watermelons. The Big 10 has a different culture and a different leadership agenda than the Big 12. As near as I can tell, the Big 10 places high value in tradition and mutual respect. The Big 12 is run by Texas for the benefit of Texas. (See: The LHN) And this isn’t a new development in the Big 12. It’s been UT’s priority from the beginning. Eventually the Big 12 will blow apart due to the Whorn’s hubris and greed. Do you think the Whorns care even a little bit about Iowa State, Mizzou, the Kansas schools, etc.? No, they don't. So you can’t compare NU leaving the Big 12 to what would happen if a Big 10 school left.

btw, Are you a fan of any particular school? I suspect you are a closet cyclown? Or is that information secret?

I agree with everything you said. I completely understand you wanting to get away from the Texas schools. My only comment was surprise you didn't have more respect for the 100 year old relationships with the Big 8 schools like ISU. By respect I mean sorry to see the relationship end while knowing it was the right move to leave. There were comments about how ISU was like an easily replaceable toilet. I was surprised there wasn't more respect for such a long history together.

 

[RedDenver]

Biggie, plz state your alliance.

I know what you are trying to say, but you are doing it like some ISU'er looking for attention.

I like Iowa more than ISU but I tend to root for the whole conference.

Ummm, which conference? I assume given this thread is yours, you know that those teams are in different conferences.

 

[74Hunter]

It goes deeper than athletic departments and like I said is stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The holier than thou attitude is for your new conference, which you are now in. You should share it and be proud of it. Touting the greatness of the Big Ten culture should not be offensive to you. I'm trying to explain it. There is still hatred on the field, so if your only experience with the Big Ten is 8 Saturdays per year, you might not notice.

You talk a lot but you don't say anything, and you talk in circles. You start off wringing your hands that we don't care about one team, then morph into some nonsensical point about the alumnae of various Big Ten schools feeling camaraderie for each other. Which do you want to talk about?

This. How did we go from generally not caring about ISU to some sort of holier than tho discussion about respecting the B1G. I guess I dont get it.

 

[knapplc]

Biggie, plz state your alliance.

btw, Are you a fan of any particular school? I suspect you are a closet cyclown? Or is that information secret?

I think the fact that he pretty much only responds to threads about Iowa or ISU says all we need to know.

 

[Hercules]

It goes deeper than athletic departments and like I said is stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The holier than thou attitude is for your new conference, which you are now in. You should share it and be proud of it. Touting the greatness of the Big Ten culture should not be offensive to you. I'm trying to explain it. There is still hatred on the field, so if your only experience with the Big Ten is 8 Saturdays per year, you might not notice.

You talk a lot but you don't say anything, and you talk in circles. You start off wringing your hands that we don't care about one team, then morph into some nonsensical point about the alumnae of various Big Ten schools feeling camaraderie for each other. Which do you want to talk about?

No circles at all. My point is, if a Big Ten school left the conference after 100 years, the Big Ten reaction would be different than the attitude I've read here, which quite frankly surprised me. "Meh" would not be it. It would be a reaction of regret that things didn't work out, even if it's for the best. I've tried to explain why that is, due to the Big Ten's history and culture. I hope in time Nebraska comes to share that. It has helped the Big Ten survive as long as it has.

So basically your point is based on hypotheticals about a conference you have apparently zero understanding of the dynamics of and a move you've never been around to experience as a fan of a team leaving a conference.

The old big 8 died 15 years ago, so you can give up the 100 years of history arguments right now. That history was thrown out the window when Texas was added and started dictating how the league would be run before they even joined... We've had 15 years to mourn the loss of OU/Nebraska rivalry and I think plenty of husker fans are sympathetic to the bad situation the old big 8 teams are in now, particularly the northern teams. We just left it, we are thankful to be out of there. You're trying to romanticize the history between the programs as if the big 8/12 was the equivalent of the Big Ten. It wasn't and it never will be.

ISU is a perennial doormat, once in awhile they have a good team and/or beat someone surprising, or caught a fluke game like 8 turnovers, but by and large it was a game that for 50 years was something when you saw the schedule you just chalked up as a W and looked at next weeks opponent.

Good post. Of course I have no experience with it, that's why I posted the question in the first place. I don't expect you to have any experience with the Big Ten either. If you're saying the old Big 8 was never quite as good as I imagine, I understand more. I figured since the Big 8 had such a long history, it was pretty close to the Big Ten. If the old Big 8 members weren't all as close I think, it makes a lot more sense now.

Nebraska fans are going to miss playing Oklahoma because there's a rich history there. Year after year after year, those two teams battled in epic games for the conference championship, for a bid to the Orange Bowl where they would often play for the national championship. It was Chuck Fairbanks vs. Bob Devaney, Osborne vs. Switzer, the Triplets and Marcus Dupree, Johnny Rodgers and Jack Mildren, Billy Sims and Tom Ruud. There were so many classic games and classic moments, and throughout the whole thing there was always respect. Husker fans didn't have to worry about beer getting thrown at them when they went to Norman, like they did going to Boulder or Ames or Columbia. Expecting Nebraska to miss Iowa State as much as we miss Oklahoma is like expecting Michigan to miss Indiana as much as they would miss Ohio State. If you can't see that, then you don't understand what that Oklahoma game meant to Nebraska fans - it's possible that if that rivalry hadn't been broken, Nebraska would not have left for the Big 10. It sure would have made it a lot harder.

Anyways, the old Big 8 is completely different from the Big 10. I don't think Nebraska would have left the old Big 8. We left the Big 12. Just because the Big 12 included the schools from the Big 8 doesn't mean anything. They were completely different conferences.

 

[biggie]

It goes deeper than athletic departments and like I said is stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The holier than thou attitude is for your new conference, which you are now in. You should share it and be proud of it. Touting the greatness of the Big Ten culture should not be offensive to you. I'm trying to explain it. There is still hatred on the field, so if your only experience with the Big Ten is 8 Saturdays per year, you might not notice.

You talk a lot but you don't say anything, and you talk in circles. You start off wringing your hands that we don't care about one team, then morph into some nonsensical point about the alumnae of various Big Ten schools feeling camaraderie for each other. Which do you want to talk about?

No circles at all. My point is, if a Big Ten school left the conference after 100 years, the Big Ten reaction would be different than the attitude I've read here, which quite frankly surprised me. "Meh" would not be it. It would be a reaction of regret that things didn't work out, even if it's for the best. I've tried to explain why that is, due to the Big Ten's history and culture. I hope in time Nebraska comes to share that. It has helped the Big Ten survive as long as it has.

So basically your point is based on hypotheticals about a conference you have apparently zero understanding of the dynamics of and a move you've never been around to experience as a fan of a team leaving a conference.

The old big 8 died 15 years ago, so you can give up the 100 years of history arguments right now. That history was thrown out the window when Texas was added and started dictating how the league would be run before they even joined... We've had 15 years to mourn the loss of OU/Nebraska rivalry and I think plenty of husker fans are sympathetic to the bad situation the old big 8 teams are in now, particularly the northern teams. We just left it, we are thankful to be out of there. You're trying to romanticize the history between the programs as if the big 8/12 was the equivalent of the Big Ten. It wasn't and it never will be.

ISU is a perennial doormat, once in awhile they have a good team and/or beat someone surprising, or caught a fluke game like 8 turnovers, but by and large it was a game that for 50 years was something when you saw the schedule you just chalked up as a W and looked at next weeks opponent.

Good post. Of course I have no experience with it, that's why I posted the question in the first place. I don't expect you to have any experience with the Big Ten either. If you're saying the old Big 8 was never quite as good as I imagine, I understand more. I figured since the Big 8 had such a long history, it was pretty close to the Big Ten. If the old Big 8 members weren't all as close I think, it makes a lot more sense now.

Nebraska fans are going to miss playing Oklahoma because there's a rich history there. Year after year after year, those two teams battled in epic games for the conference championship, for a bid to the Orange Bowl where they would often play for the national championship. It was Chuck Fairbanks vs. Bob Devaney, Osborne vs. Switzer, the Triplets and Marcus Dupree, Johnny Rodgers and Jack Mildren, Billy Sims and Tom Ruud. There were so many classic games and classic moments, and throughout the whole thing there was always respect. Husker fans didn't have to worry about beer getting thrown at them when they went to Norman, like they did going to Boulder or Ames or Columbia. Expecting Nebraska to miss Iowa State as much as we miss Oklahoma is like expecting Michigan to miss Indiana as much as they would miss Ohio State. If you can't see that, then you don't understand what that Oklahoma game meant to Nebraska fans - it's possible that if that rivalry hadn't been broken, Nebraska would not have left for the Big 10. It sure would have made it a lot harder.

Anyways, the old Big 8 is completely different from the Big 10. I don't think Nebraska would have left the old Big 8. We left the Big 12. Just because the Big 12 included the schools from the Big 8 doesn't mean anything. They were completely different conferences.

I completely agree. I never expected NU fans to miss the other Big 8 schools as much as Oklahoma, but if you read the comments, most of it is like game day smack talk. That's what surprised me.

As for the Big 8/12, I agree the conference changed a lot, but you still played 5 of 7 Big 8 schools every year. Losing Oklahoma every year was big, but now the Big Ten is going through some of the same things with loss of rivalries and two divisions. With future expansion it would get even worse.

 

[knapplc]

I completely agree. I never expected NU fans to miss the other Big 8 schools as much as Oklahoma, but if you read the comments, most of it is like game day smack talk. That's what surprised me.

That's why I asked if you ever went to any message boards of any other Big Ten teams. There are posts ten times worse than this about other Big Ten teams on those boards. There are whole threads dedicated to the verbal dismemberment of every other team on Iowa boards, Wisky boards, Minnesota boards, and you should entirely skip the conversations about Michigan and Ohio State on each team's boards - if you think this is bad, that will send you into conniptions.

You're acting like our ambivalence towards Iowa State is somehow different than what you'd read about Illinois or Indiana on an Iowa board or an Ohio State board, and it's not. In fact, it's more tame than what I've read there.

 

[biggie]

I completely agree. I never expected NU fans to miss the other Big 8 schools as much as Oklahoma, but if you read the comments, most of it is like game day smack talk. That's what surprised me.

That's why I asked if you ever went to any message boards of any other Big Ten teams. There are posts ten times worse than this about other Big Ten teams on those boards. There are whole threads dedicated to the verbal dismemberment of every other team on Iowa boards, Wisky boards, Minnesota boards, and you should entirely skip the conversations about Michigan and Ohio State on each team's boards - if you think this is bad, that will send you into conniptions.

You're acting like our ambivalence towards Iowa State is somehow different than what you'd read about Illinois or Indiana on an Iowa board or an Ohio State board, and it's not. In fact, it's more tame than what I've read there.

You said you understood, but I don't think you do so I'll post it again now.

What? If you read what I wrote, I made clear the respect is for the history, the conference, and for each others institutions as members of something bigger than themselves, not necessarily the sports teams holding hands. There is a clear distinction which you may or may not grasp. Big Ten fans generally love being part of the Big Ten. That's a fact. If any school left the Big Ten, there would be a sense of regret at the end of an era, even if the move happened to be for the best.

 

[knapplc]

It's like talking to a wall. Unreal.

We are on a message board. We are not talking about the zeitgeist of Big Ten fans in general. We are specifically analyzing the reaction of fans on a message board. The reaction you're seeing here is no different than what you'd see on any other Big Ten message board if they were in Nebraska's shoes.

 

[husker B-rent]

I completely agree. I never expected NU fans to miss the other Big 8 schools as much as Oklahoma, but if you read the comments, most of it is like game day smack talk. That's what surprised me.

That's why I asked if you ever went to any message boards of any other Big Ten teams. There are posts ten times worse than this about other Big Ten teams on those boards. There are whole threads dedicated to the verbal dismemberment of every other team on Iowa boards, Wisky boards, Minnesota boards, and you should entirely skip the conversations about Michigan and Ohio State on each team's boards - if you think this is bad, that will send you into conniptions.

You're acting like our ambivalence towards Iowa State is somehow different than what you'd read about Illinois or Indiana on an Iowa board or an Ohio State board, and it's not. In fact, it's more tame than what I've read there.

You said you understood, but I don't think you do so I'll post it again now.

What? If you read what I wrote, I made clear the respect is for the history, the conference, and for each others institutions as members of something bigger than themselves, not necessarily the sports teams holding hands. There is a clear distinction which you may or may not grasp. Big Ten fans generally love being part of the Big Ten. That's a fact. If any school left the Big Ten, there would be a sense of regret at the end of an era, even if the move happened to be for the best.

dude i think you are the only person on here that gets what you are saying. You have had both neb fans and a mich fan pretty well say WTH are you talking about. i should probably add that mich as been in the big10 for a while and for some reason even mich fans dont get it!

sure we are happy to be in the big10. but what the holy hell about that statement means that we have to care about missing a team just because we played them for a long time?

i think you are the only person in this thread that does not understand and it is quite obvious.

 

[Hercules]

I completely agree. I never expected NU fans to miss the other Big 8 schools as much as Oklahoma, but if you read the comments, most of it is like game day smack talk. That's what surprised me.

That's why I asked if you ever went to any message boards of any other Big Ten teams. There are posts ten times worse than this about other Big Ten teams on those boards. There are whole threads dedicated to the verbal dismemberment of every other team on Iowa boards, Wisky boards, Minnesota boards, and you should entirely skip the conversations about Michigan and Ohio State on each team's boards - if you think this is bad, that will send you into conniptions.

You're acting like our ambivalence towards Iowa State is somehow different than what you'd read about Illinois or Indiana on an Iowa board or an Ohio State board, and it's not. In fact, it's more tame than what I've read there.

You said you understood, but I don't think you do so I'll post it again now.

What? If you read what I wrote, I made clear the respect is for the history, the conference, and for each others institutions as members of something bigger than themselves, not necessarily the sports teams holding hands. There is a clear distinction which you may or may not grasp. Big Ten fans generally love being part of the Big Ten. That's a fact. If any school left the Big Ten, there would be a sense of regret at the end of an era, even if the move happened to be for the best.

So far, we love being part of the Big Ten too. We loved being part of the Big 8. We didn't love being part of the Big 12. We're all watching with glee as the infighting continues and programs like Oklahoma and Texas A&M threaten to bolt to the SEC. If your point is that the Big Ten is tighter knit than the Big 12, then you're right, and that's a big part of why we made the move. If your point is that the Big Ten is tighter knit than the old Big 8, I don't think that's necessarily true. I could be wrong, but mainly I just think that the Big Ten is run a lot better than the Big 12, and Delany's leadership results in the conference trying to do what is best for every team, rather than catering to a select few. I think if the Big Ten was run as poorly as the Big 12 is, you'd see animosities grow between the teams in the Big Ten just like in the Big 12.

As far as Iowa State goes, we'll only miss them as much as you can miss a team you so thoroughly beat down year after year. If every game for the past 40 years was like the last 2 years, we'd miss them a lot more. But instead, probably 35 of the last 40 years were complete beatdowns. We're not really going to miss Kansas football either - we'll miss Kansas basketball, because how can you not miss going to Allen Fieldhouse. The main thing I feel for Iowa State is pity, because if the Big 12 does fall apart, the massive conference realignment that ensues is going to leave them out to dry.