Sad or happy we don't play Iowa State anymore?

[knapplc]

That's not my intent here. The Big Ten has a culture I'm trying to make you aware of, although I admit it's much stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The Big Ten is very proud of being the oldest conference in FBS, and it's based on a general level of respect for each other's institutions and the history of the conference, even if you hate each other's teams on the field. If there's one hallmark of the Big Ten, it's collaboration, in pretty much everything.

Have you ever visited a Wisconsin message board? An Ohio State message board? A Michigan message board? A Penn State message board? An Iowa message board?

This "general level of respect" that you're talking about doesn't exist on those boards. Don't pretend that the other members sit around holding hands and singing Kumbaya at each other.

What? If you read what I wrote, I made clear the respect is for the history, the conference, and for each others institutions as members of something bigger than themselves, not necessarily the sports teams holding hands. There is a clear distinction which you may or may not grasp. Big Ten fans generally love being part of the Big Ten. That's a fact. If any school left the Big Ten, there would be a sense of regret at the end of an era, even if the move happened to be for the best.

Yeah, your esoteric concept was far beyond my grasp. That's it.

 

[NUance]

That's not my intent here. The Big Ten has a culture I'm trying to make you aware of, although I admit it's much stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The Big Ten is very proud of being the oldest conference in FBS, and it's based on a general level of respect for each other's institutions and the history of the conference, even if you hate each other's teams on the field. If there's one hallmark of the Big Ten, it's collaboration, in pretty much everything.

When do we get to learn the secret handshake and get to haze the pledges? Oh wait, we ARE the pledges.

 

[biggie]

I'm surprised by some of your comments. Is there no respect for over 100 years of conference history together?

Do you respect your toilet just because you p*ss in it every day? Sure there's a history there, but it's nothing that can't easily be replaced.

I'll take that as a no. That mentality is the opposite of what has held the Big Ten together longer than any other conference.

oh give me a break. this guy has got to be the most high and mighty troll i have seen on here.

That's not my intent here. The Big Ten has a culture I'm trying to make you aware of, although I admit it's much stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The Big Ten is very proud of being the oldest conference in FBS, and it's based on a general level of respect for each other's institutions and the history of the conference, even if you hate each other's teams on the field. If there's one hallmark of the Big Ten, it's collaboration, in pretty much everything.

that may be so among the athletic departments but this is a FAN board not the offices of one Dr. Tom Osborne. we are fans. i believe you to be an Iowa fan and i know for a fact that Iowa fans are some of the most obnoxious self pedestaling FANS around.

so like i said, please stop with the holier than thou attitude. its old. its annoying. responses like mine will only start getting more frequent.

It goes deeper than athletic departments and like I said is stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The holier than thou attitude is for your new conference, which you are now in. You should share it and be proud of it. Touting the greatness of the Big Ten culture should not be offensive to you. I'm trying to explain it. There is still hatred on the field, so if your only experience with the Big Ten is 8 Saturdays per year, you might not notice.

 

[biggie]

That's not my intent here. The Big Ten has a culture I'm trying to make you aware of, although I admit it's much stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The Big Ten is very proud of being the oldest conference in FBS, and it's based on a general level of respect for each other's institutions and the history of the conference, even if you hate each other's teams on the field. If there's one hallmark of the Big Ten, it's collaboration, in pretty much everything.

Have you ever visited a Wisconsin message board? An Ohio State message board? A Michigan message board? A Penn State message board? An Iowa message board?

This "general level of respect" that you're talking about doesn't exist on those boards. Don't pretend that the other members sit around holding hands and singing Kumbaya at each other.

What? If you read what I wrote, I made clear the respect is for the history, the conference, and for each others institutions as members of something bigger than themselves, not necessarily the sports teams holding hands. There is a clear distinction which you may or may not grasp. Big Ten fans generally love being part of the Big Ten. That's a fact. If any school left the Big Ten, there would be a sense of regret at the end of an era, even if the move happened to be for the best.

Yeah, your esoteric concept was far beyond my grasp. That's it.

If you get it, good. You misunderstood my previous post so I clarified. No need for the sarcasm.

 

[knapplc]

It goes deeper than athletic departments and like I said is stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The holier than thou attitude is for your new conference, which you are now in. You should share it and be proud of it. Touting the greatness of the Big Ten culture should not be offensive to you. I'm trying to explain it. There is still hatred on the field, so if your only experience with the Big Ten is 8 Saturdays per year, you might not notice.

You talk a lot but you don't say anything, and you talk in circles. You start off wringing your hands that we don't care about one team, then morph into some nonsensical point about the alumnae of various Big Ten schools feeling camaraderie for each other. Which do you want to talk about?

 

[ADS]

I could care less about ISU.

 

[Husker NoNo]

Meh....Iowa State = little brother who was fun to beat on, and would from time to time surprise you...but generally ISU was meh.

 

[biggie]

It goes deeper than athletic departments and like I said is stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The holier than thou attitude is for your new conference, which you are now in. You should share it and be proud of it. Touting the greatness of the Big Ten culture should not be offensive to you. I'm trying to explain it. There is still hatred on the field, so if your only experience with the Big Ten is 8 Saturdays per year, you might not notice.

You talk a lot but you don't say anything, and you talk in circles. You start off wringing your hands that we don't care about one team, then morph into some nonsensical point about the alumnae of various Big Ten schools feeling camaraderie for each other. Which do you want to talk about?

No circles at all. My point is, if a Big Ten school left the conference after 100 years, the Big Ten reaction would be different than the attitude I've read here, which quite frankly surprised me. "Meh" would not be it. It would be a reaction of regret that things didn't work out, even if it's for the best. I've tried to explain why that is, due to the Big Ten's history and culture. I hope in time Nebraska comes to share that. It has helped the Big Ten survive as long as it has.

 

[knapplc]

You can't compare our situation to that of the Big Ten. Everything changed for the Big 8 teams 15 years ago. Expecting what's going on in Lincoln to mirror the Big Ten is silly.

 

[huKSer]

No circles at all. My point is, if a Big Ten school left the conference after 100 years, the Big Ten reaction would be different than the attitude I've read here, which quite frankly surprised me. "Meh" would not be it. It would be a reaction of regret that things didn't work out, even if it's for the best. I've tried to explain why that is, due to the Big Ten's history and culture. I hope in time Nebraska comes to share that. It has helped the Big Ten survive as long as it has.

Not quite the same situation: Lets say the B1G needed to expand and the only option was to admit Notre Lame, and 3 other catholic universities. Then they started to dictate things to the conference - move the headquarters from Chicago to Rome, require a certain percent of the athletes to be Catholic, they keep their NBC TV contract money and an equal share from the conference. The only way this is accomplished is the schools in Illinois and Indiana back Notre Lame to "get back at" the "power schools". After awhile Tosu Meechicken and some other schools see the writing on the wall, get fed up and join the $EC. Would you be sad not to play Indiana anymore because their lack of a spine caused a conference to explode? That is the culture we are LEAVING, and why we are so EXCITED about joining the B1G and the culture you have.

 

[biggie]

No circles at all. My point is, if a Big Ten school left the conference after 100 years, the Big Ten reaction would be different than the attitude I've read here, which quite frankly surprised me. "Meh" would not be it. It would be a reaction of regret that things didn't work out, even if it's for the best. I've tried to explain why that is, due to the Big Ten's history and culture. I hope in time Nebraska comes to share that. It has helped the Big Ten survive as long as it has.

Not quite the same situation: Lets say the B1G needed to expand and the only option was to admit Notre Lame, and 3 other catholic universities. Then they started to dictate things to the conference - move the headquarters from Chicago to Rome, require a certain percent of the athletes to be Catholic, they keep their NBC TV contract money and an equal share from the conference. The only way this is accomplished is the schools in Illinois and Indiana back Notre Lame to "get back at" the "power schools". After awhile Tosu Meechicken and some other schools see the writing on the wall, get fed up and join the $EC. Would you be sad not to play Indiana anymore because their lack of a spine caused a conference to explode? That is the culture we are LEAVING, and why we are so EXCITED about joining the B1G and the culture you have.

I get your point, but did Iowa State back Texas and Oklahoma didn't? There seems to be sadness over leaving Oklahoma but the 100 years with ISU is worth nothing. That, and the fact most of the attitude toward ISU is about drunk fans and football, not comments regarding how they backed Texas. Maybe you could explain a little more. I admit I'm not completely familiar with all the votes and everything.

 

[billdozer15]

I could care less about ISU.

I think you mean couldn't.

 

[BlueInTheFace]

No circles at all. My point is, if a Big Ten school left the conference after 100 years, the Big Ten reaction would be different than the attitude I've read here, which quite frankly surprised me. "Meh" would not be it. It would be a reaction of regret that things didn't work out, even if it's for the best. I've tried to explain why that is, due to the Big Ten's history and culture. I hope in time Nebraska comes to share that. It has helped the Big Ten survive as long as it has.

Not quite the same situation: Lets say the B1G needed to expand and the only option was to admit Notre Lame, and 3 other catholic universities. Then they started to dictate things to the conference - move the headquarters from Chicago to Rome, require a certain percent of the athletes to be Catholic, they keep their NBC TV contract money and an equal share from the conference. The only way this is accomplished is the schools in Illinois and Indiana back Notre Lame to "get back at" the "power schools". After awhile Tosu Meechicken and some other schools see the writing on the wall, get fed up and join the $EC. Would you be sad not to play Indiana anymore because their lack of a spine caused a conference to explode? That is the culture we are LEAVING, and why we are so EXCITED about joining the B1G and the culture you have.

I get your point, but did Iowa State back Texas and Oklahoma didn't? There seems to be sadness over leaving Oklahoma but the 100 years with ISU is worth nothing. That, and the fact most of the attitude toward ISU is about drunk fans and football, not comments regarding how they backed Texas. Maybe you could explain a little more. I admit I'm not completely familiar with all the votes and everything.

I keep waiting for you to have some sort of meaningful point through all of this....

 

[redblooded]

It goes deeper than athletic departments and like I said is stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The holier than thou attitude is for your new conference, which you are now in. You should share it and be proud of it. Touting the greatness of the Big Ten culture should not be offensive to you. I'm trying to explain it. There is still hatred on the field, so if your only experience with the Big Ten is 8 Saturdays per year, you might not notice.

You talk a lot but you don't say anything, and you talk in circles. You start off wringing your hands that we don't care about one team, then morph into some nonsensical point about the alumnae of various Big Ten schools feeling camaraderie for each other. Which do you want to talk about?

No circles at all. My point is, if a Big Ten school left the conference after 100 years, the Big Ten reaction would be different than the attitude I've read here, which quite frankly surprised me. "Meh" would not be it. It would be a reaction of regret that things didn't work out, even if it's for the best. I've tried to explain why that is, due to the Big Ten's history and culture. I hope in time Nebraska comes to share that. It has helped the Big Ten survive as long as it has.

So basically your point is based on hypotheticals about a conference you have apparently zero understanding of the dynamics of and a move you've never been around to experience as a fan of a team leaving a conference.

The old big 8 died 15 years ago, so you can give up the 100 years of history arguments right now. That history was thrown out the window when Texas was added and started dictating how the league would be run before they even joined... We've had 15 years to mourn the loss of OU/Nebraska rivalry and I think plenty of husker fans are sympathetic to the bad situation the old big 8 teams are in now, particularly the northern teams. We just left it, we are thankful to be out of there. You're trying to romanticize the history between the programs as if the big 8/12 was the equivalent of the Big Ten. It wasn't and it never will be.

ISU is a perennial doormat, once in awhile they have a good team and/or beat someone surprising, or caught a fluke game like 8 turnovers, but by and large it was a game that for 50 years was something when you saw the schedule you just chalked up as a W and looked at next weeks opponent.

 

[biggie]

It goes deeper than athletic departments and like I said is stronger among Big Ten alumni than non alumni sports fans only. The holier than thou attitude is for your new conference, which you are now in. You should share it and be proud of it. Touting the greatness of the Big Ten culture should not be offensive to you. I'm trying to explain it. There is still hatred on the field, so if your only experience with the Big Ten is 8 Saturdays per year, you might not notice.

You talk a lot but you don't say anything, and you talk in circles. You start off wringing your hands that we don't care about one team, then morph into some nonsensical point about the alumnae of various Big Ten schools feeling camaraderie for each other. Which do you want to talk about?

No circles at all. My point is, if a Big Ten school left the conference after 100 years, the Big Ten reaction would be different than the attitude I've read here, which quite frankly surprised me. "Meh" would not be it. It would be a reaction of regret that things didn't work out, even if it's for the best. I've tried to explain why that is, due to the Big Ten's history and culture. I hope in time Nebraska comes to share that. It has helped the Big Ten survive as long as it has.

So basically your point is based on hypotheticals about a conference you have apparently zero understanding of the dynamics of and a move you've never been around to experience as a fan of a team leaving a conference.

The old big 8 died 15 years ago, so you can give up the 100 years of history arguments right now. That history was thrown out the window when Texas was added and started dictating how the league would be run before they even joined... We've had 15 years to mourn the loss of OU/Nebraska rivalry and I think plenty of husker fans are sympathetic to the bad situation the old big 8 teams are in now, particularly the northern teams. We just left it, we are thankful to be out of there. You're trying to romanticize the history between the programs as if the big 8/12 was the equivalent of the Big Ten. It wasn't and it never will be.

ISU is a perennial doormat, once in awhile they have a good team and/or beat someone surprising, or caught a fluke game like 8 turnovers, but by and large it was a game that for 50 years was something when you saw the schedule you just chalked up as a W and looked at next weeks opponent.

Good post. Of course I have no experience with it, that's why I posted the question in the first place. I don't expect you to have any experience with the Big Ten either. If you're saying the old Big 8 was never quite as good as I imagine, I understand more. I figured since the Big 8 had such a long history, it was pretty close to the Big Ten. If the old Big 8 members weren't all as close I think, it makes a lot more sense now.