NC run, If not this year than in 2013

[druski_2k5]

I can't believe I stopped reading this thread before EndoQuan started posting. I missed out on all the fireworks!

It took Tom Osborne until 1978 to beat Oklahoma, and it took him until 1994 to win a national championship. If Nebraska continues to win 9 or 10 games, anybody who thinks that Osborne is going to fire Bo is insane.

We like to say that Nebraska is about winning championships. That sounds nice and makes us all proud, but Nebraska isn't just about that. Osborne's Nebraska was about winning 9 games every year. It was when that streak broke in 2002 that the house started to crumble apart. Osborne himself will always be remembered by three things by outsiders - 1. The guy who led the most prolific 5 year run in NCAA football history (60-3 from 1993-1997), 2. The guy that played Lawrence Phillips, 3. The guy who ensured that every single year, for 25 years, Nebraska was a physical, competitive, and relevant football program. But his career for 22 years was #3 - he was a great coach that had consistently good teams, but he could never win the big one. It took him 22 years.

Bo's teams compete, they are relevant, they've reached a point right now where they can win every game they play, they stay out of trouble off the field and they have the best GPA of any football squad since 1987. Anybody who thinks Bo is in trouble right now is out of his mind. Firing Bo in the near future would be the worst thing that could possibly happen to Nebraska football right now.

:yeah

 

[Saunders]

If you are Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Mack Brown or even ol' Jim Tressel, you can have a 4 or 5 loss season and not be on the hot seat because when you produce like those guys do, see: conference championships, BCS Bowl Appearances, National Titles/BCS Championships contested. So far, if you compare Bo's resume to any of those guys, it currently doesn't contain any of those things, 2011 is his chance to rectify that.

Wow..... just wow.

Bob Stoops: Runs a dirty program, convicted of multiple violations. Had to vacate seasons.

Nick Saban: Runs a dirty program, convicted of multiple violations. Just got off probation, only to get right back on.

Urban Meyer: Had 30 different players arrested during his tenure (actual arrest amount was much higher). Also had a bunch of recruiting shenanigans swept under the rug. (A.D. Foley is a genius.)

Mack Brown: Lol.... easiest coaching gig in the country, had quite his share of bumps

Jim Tressell: Have you watched ESPN the last 6 months?

Bo Pelini: ....

I your axe sharp yet? If Bo is fired, minus a colossal screw up, Nebraska will never be great again. We'll become the next Minnesota.

 

[zoogs]

I think Bo is going to be better than those other coaches because of the cleaner way he runs his program. But it is not a stretch at all to say his resume, right now, is lacking in comparison. Right now Bo has two CCG losses. Those other guys have trophies. That is not a discussion of who is the better football coach, I'd put Bo up against any of them. But Bo is going to do a lot for his resume if he finally gets that CCG trophy this year.

I your axe sharp yet? If Bo is fired, minus a colossal screw up, Nebraska will never be great again. We'll become the next Minnesota.

You weren't serious with this, right?

 

[Saunders]

I think Bo is going to be better than those other coaches because of the cleaner way he runs his program. But it is not a stretch at all to say his resume, right now, is lacking in comparison. Right now Bo has two CCG losses. Those other guys have trophies. That is not a discussion of who is the better football coach, I'd put Bo up against any of them. But Bo is going to do a lot for his resume if he finally gets that CCG trophy this year.

I your axe sharp yet? If Bo is fired, minus a colossal screw up, Nebraska will never be great again. We'll become the next Minnesota.

You weren't serious with this, right?

I absolutely am. What sane coach would come to a program who fired coach who just had a 9 win season, and a coach who (up until now) had never won less than nine games? I'll go ahead and answer that. Nobody. It's why we had to settle for Bill Callahan in the first place, and he was like #9 on the list, only because Pederson was shot down by many coaches.

And FWIW, I'd rather be good-great with honesty, and integrity, than be elite because we cheated.

 

[Malth]

#1: This thread sucks.

#2: Every year is a NC run year.

#3: Bo isn't getting fired.

 

[zoogs]

I absolutely am. What sane coach would come to a program who fired coach who just had a 9 win season, and a coach who (up until now) had never won less than nine games? I'll go ahead and answer that. Nobody. It's why we had to settle for Bill Callahan in the first place, and he was like #9 on the list, only because Pederson was shot down by many coaches.

And FWIW, I'd rather be good-great with honesty, and integrity, than be elite because we cheated.

Me too, on that last line. Absolutely agree with you.

Disagree on the first. We're Nebraska. We'd find a way. I'm sure Bo won't be fired for a 9-win season, though. I'd have worries if that happened, but not the same kind of 'we'll never be great again' worries.

 

[Hercules]

I absolutely am. What sane coach would come to a program who fired coach who just had a 9 win season, and a coach who (up until now) had never won less than nine games? I'll go ahead and answer that. Nobody. It's why we had to settle for Bill Callahan in the first place, and he was like #9 on the list, only because Pederson was shot down by many coaches.

And FWIW, I'd rather be good-great with honesty, and integrity, than be elite because we cheated.

Me too, on that last line. Absolutely agree with you.

Disagree on the first. We're Nebraska. We'd find a way. I'm sure Bo won't be fired for a 9-win season, though. I'd have worries if that happened, but not the same kind of 'we'll never be great again' worries.

Don't forget, Urban Meyer turned us down because of how Solich was fired. And that was before Urban Meyer was Urban Meyer. If Bo was fired in similar fashion, the only people that would want the job are people looking to move up, who were just as unproven as Bo was when he was hired.

I think success at Nebraska is fragile - it's a tremendous program, but due to climate, population, etc, it's not a program that can just get hot once in a while like Miami. We don't have those natural advantages that schools like Texas or Florida or USC have. Nebraska's success in the past was built on patience and continuity. When we forget that, the Callahan era happens. Another Callahan era or two would be very, very bad news for the long term trajectory of the program. I remember Osborne talking about why he recommended keeping Watson when Bo was hired was because he thought one more 5-7 year could dig Nebraska into a hole too big to climb out of.

 

[bshirt]

I think Bo is going to be better than those other coaches because of the cleaner way he runs his program. But it is not a stretch at all to say his resume, right now, is lacking in comparison. Right now Bo has two CCG losses. Those other guys have trophies. That is not a discussion of who is the better football coach, I'd put Bo up against any of them. But Bo is going to do a lot for his resume if he finally gets that CCG trophy this year.

I your axe sharp yet? If Bo is fired, minus a colossal screw up, Nebraska will never be great again. We'll become the next Minnesota.

You weren't serious with this, right?

My gawd zoogies.

NU was an eyelash away from becoming Minnesota in 2007. If TO doesn't save our ship we're in the dumpster for decades (at least).

 

[knapplc]

NU was an eyelash away from becoming Minnesota in 2007. If TO doesn't save our ship we're in the dumpster for decades (at least).

Cannot agree with this. Decades? Maybe another recruiting cycle, but come on - we're Nebraska. We're not in any way comparable to a Minnesota-like team, with our boosters and our pack-the-house fan base and our decades of success.

Look at Oklahoma. They followed Barry Switzer with Gary Gibbs, Howard Schnellenberger and John Blake. They were in the dumps, way worse than Nebraska during the Callahan Era, and yet they hired Bob Stoops and here they are today, contending every year. Heck, Stoops won a title in year two after the disaster that was the John Blake Era.

Great programs find a way to turn it around. It would take a concerted effort to ignore the program from the fans, the school and the boosters for this program to fall apart for even ten years. We won't let that happen.

 

[zoogs]

Exactly, knapplc.

 

[redblooded]

I think Bo is going to be better than those other coaches because of the cleaner way he runs his program. But it is not a stretch at all to say his resume, right now, is lacking in comparison. Right now Bo has two CCG losses. Those other guys have trophies. That is not a discussion of who is the better football coach, I'd put Bo up against any of them. But Bo is going to do a lot for his resume if he finally gets that CCG trophy this year.

I your axe sharp yet? If Bo is fired, minus a colossal screw up, Nebraska will never be great again. We'll become the next Minnesota.

You weren't serious with this, right?

My gawd zoogies.

NU was an eyelash away from becoming Minnesota in 2007. If TO doesn't save our ship we're in the dumpster for decades (at least).

No we aren't/weren't... There is too much money and pride involved to let it get that bad for that long. The problem is the AD and President (anywhere, but especially in places like Nebraska) has to be someone who can quiet the boosters enough while still raising money to allow things to be built if things are getting better. There isn't a recruiting base in state that allows a "win now or else" attitude and even in places like Texas where there is, they have one NC to show for it and get owned by Oklahoma most years.

We won't see another dominant run with impatience or firing winning coaches who are actually playing for conference titles.

When it clicks it'll be fun to shut people like Endo up... Until Bo gets angry at the Ice cream man for running out of bomb pops and he's back here to tell us just how close the well connected bomb pop distributor is to getting him fired.

 

[bshirt]

NU was an eyelash away from becoming Minnesota in 2007. If TO doesn't save our ship we're in the dumpster for decades (at least).

Cannot agree with this. Decades? Maybe another recruiting cycle, but come on - we're Nebraska. We're not in any way comparable to a Minnesota-like team, with our boosters and our pack-the-house fan base and our decades of success.

Look at Oklahoma. They followed Barry Switzer with Gary Gibbs, Howard Schnellenberger and John Blake. They were in the dumps, way worse than Nebraska during the Callahan Era, and yet they hired Bob Stoops and here they are today, contending every year. Heck, Stoops won a title in year two after the disaster that was the John Blake Era.

Great programs find a way to turn it around. It would take a concerted effort to ignore the program from the fans, the school and the boosters for this program to fall apart for even ten years. We won't let that happen.

Huh? I don't recall Gibbs teams being that bad. Worse than Clownahan? Let's agree to disagree on that one. Yeah, Schnellenberger & Blake were gross failures. Still though, worse than Callahan? Well, if so not by much.

Minnesota thought they couldn't be sunk either with their tradition & national championships. Notre Dame too. Neither of those programs has Texas next door to load up when they get a good coach. We don't either.

 

[zoogs]

Yeah, Schnellenberger & Blake were gross failures. Still though, worse than Callahan? Well, if so not by much.

1995 Oklahoma 5–5–1 2–5 5th (Schnellenberger)

1996 Oklahoma 3–8 3–5 4th (Blake)

1997 Oklahoma 4–8 2–6 T–4th (Blake)

1998 Oklahoma 5–6 3–5 T–4th (Blake)

You're right. Those "OU in the dumps" years weren't much worse than 2004-2007.

Minnesota thought they couldn't be sunk either with their tradition & national championships. Notre Dame too. Neither of those programs has Texas next door to load up when they get a good coach. We don't either.

You're doubly right. We can't recruit the state of Texas. Especially now that we're in the Big Ten, right?

 

[knapplc]

NU was an eyelash away from becoming Minnesota in 2007. If TO doesn't save our ship we're in the dumpster for decades (at least).

Cannot agree with this. Decades? Maybe another recruiting cycle, but come on - we're Nebraska. We're not in any way comparable to a Minnesota-like team, with our boosters and our pack-the-house fan base and our decades of success.

Look at Oklahoma. They followed Barry Switzer with Gary Gibbs, Howard Schnellenberger and John Blake. They were in the dumps, way worse than Nebraska during the Callahan Era, and yet they hired Bob Stoops and here they are today, contending every year. Heck, Stoops won a title in year two after the disaster that was the John Blake Era.

Great programs find a way to turn it around. It would take a concerted effort to ignore the program from the fans, the school and the boosters for this program to fall apart for even ten years. We won't let that happen.

Huh? I don't recall Gibbs teams being that bad. Worse than Clownahan? Let's agree to disagree on that one. Yeah, Schnellenberger & Blake were gross failures. Still though, worse than Callahan? Well, if so not by much.

Minnesota thought they couldn't be sunk either with their tradition & national championships. Notre Dame too. Neither of those programs has Texas next door to load up when they get a good coach. We don't either.

Oklahoma's "down time" was greater than ours, that's the point. From that down time they bounced back and are contending regularly again. Having Texas next door isn't a prerequisite to bouncing back, either. Do you really think Michigan is going to stay down forever? Not hardly. They don't fill up The Big House because they're interested in remaining a door mat.

And Minnesota was never where Nebraska was. Not by a long shot. Notre Dame was, and they're a good example for your point (same goes for USC) but then USC actually came back and built a contender again. Sure, they cheated their collective a$$ off to do it, but they contended. I would imagine Notre Dame will be contending again sometime in the next few years as well. If any fan base could be considered to be bigger and more national than ours, it would be theirs.

 

[redblooded]

NU was an eyelash away from becoming Minnesota in 2007. If TO doesn't save our ship we're in the dumpster for decades (at least).

Cannot agree with this. Decades? Maybe another recruiting cycle, but come on - we're Nebraska. We're not in any way comparable to a Minnesota-like team, with our boosters and our pack-the-house fan base and our decades of success.

Look at Oklahoma. They followed Barry Switzer with Gary Gibbs, Howard Schnellenberger and John Blake. They were in the dumps, way worse than Nebraska during the Callahan Era, and yet they hired Bob Stoops and here they are today, contending every year. Heck, Stoops won a title in year two after the disaster that was the John Blake Era.

Great programs find a way to turn it around. It would take a concerted effort to ignore the program from the fans, the school and the boosters for this program to fall apart for even ten years. We won't let that happen.

Huh? I don't recall Gibbs teams being that bad. Worse than Clownahan? Let's agree to disagree on that one. Yeah, Schnellenberger & Blake were gross failures. Still though, worse than Callahan? Well, if so not by much.

Minnesota thought they couldn't be sunk either with their tradition & national championships. Notre Dame too. Neither of those programs has Texas next door to load up when they get a good coach. We don't either.

Notre Dame will not be down forever. They have more money then god (although still less then UT). They might be fighting the academic side there also.