Corey Raymond changing too much?

[zoogs]

It's funny. I've read a few articles from Sipple of the LJS talking about these so called technique changes at the defensive back position. Yet, I watched the post practice video on Huskers.com the other day and Sipple clearly asked Pelini about these changes. Pelini had no clue what the hell Sipple was talking about. In short Pelini said, changes? what changes? why would I want Dennard to change anything, he's great at what he does and should keep doing it. Sounds to me like the new coach is making some waves with his own technique and Pelini is not aware of it. I don't know how it will be handled from there but I found it interesting that Pelini had no idea his new coach was changing things up at what has been the strongest part of our defense the past couple years.

Sounds like a difference in rhetoric that isn't reflected in reality. Not nearly as worried about different ways two coaches might like to put some things.

 

[da skers]

As long as there's a Pelini in charge, we'll be fine. Man we are SERIOUSLY getting desperate for talking points.

agreed bo is like the bofather... he gives the orders and the guys fit their style based on what he wants... he would let CR or have hired CR f#*k up his D.....

Plus in the past Bo pulled rank on Sander too. He always favored West and Bo told him to play Denard and Prince. And last year 1/2 through he made Sanders play Cassidy and Osborne when the other guys weren't getting it done but Sanders wanted them to stick with other guys. If he see something he doesn't like or someone in who shouldn't be he's going to let it be known. Sanders got a lot of credit for personnel decisions Bo made. That was actually Sanders weakness as a DC and as a position coach. He had a hard time putting the right players in after he found a favorite.

 

[Hercules]

I listened to Carl Pelini on Sports Nightly tonight, and I think he did a good job of clarifying this whole topic. He basically said that watching film of Big 10 defenses, it was hard to tell whether Big 10 defensive backs were less physical than ours because they were coached that way, or because the officiating had forced them to be less aggressive. He said that Nebraska's defensive backs are still going to be physical, they're not going to change at all unless they're forced by the officiating, but he also said that the secondary shouldn't use their physicality as a crutch. If being physical is your only strength as a cornerback, and you try to push your guy off his route and you miss, then it's game over. Raymond is working on their footwork and on their route reading in order to make them more complete defensive backs, but they're still going to be physical and knock people around.

I'm not worried.

 

[zoogs]

As long as there's a Pelini in charge, we'll be fine. Man we are SERIOUSLY getting desperate for talking points.

agreed bo is like the bofather... he gives the orders and the guys fit their style based on what he wants... he would let CR or have hired CR f#*k up his D.....

Plus in the past Bo pulled rank on Sander too. He always favored West and Bo told him to play Denard and Prince. And last year 1/2 through he made Sanders play Cassidy and Osborne when the other guys weren't getting it done but Sanders wanted them to stick with other guys. If he see something he doesn't like or someone in who shouldn't be he's going to let it be known. Sanders got a lot of credit for personnel decisions Bo made. That was actually Sanders weakness as a DC and as a position coach. He had a hard time putting the right players in after he found a favorite.

These both turned out to be great calls by Bo. Turn-around-the-defense type calls.

Sanders was widely regarded to be a good coach (or at least a popular one). But if he 1) made poor (in retrospect) personnel calls due to favoritism, 2) wasn't a techniques guy, and 3) wasn't a recruiting guy...what were his strengths, I wonder?

I think the fact that this is a Bo Pelini secondary (and really, a Bo Pelini defense) can't be emphasized enough.

 

[Danimal]

As long as there's a Pelini in charge, we'll be fine. Man we are SERIOUSLY getting desperate for talking points.

agreed bo is like the bofather... he gives the orders and the guys fit their style based on what he wants... he would let CR or have hired CR f#*k up his D.....

Plus in the past Bo pulled rank on Sander too. He always favored West and Bo told him to play Denard and Prince. And last year 1/2 through he made Sanders play Cassidy and Osborne when the other guys weren't getting it done but Sanders wanted them to stick with other guys. If he see something he doesn't like or someone in who shouldn't be he's going to let it be known. Sanders got a lot of credit for personnel decisions Bo made. That was actually Sanders weakness as a DC and as a position coach. He had a hard time putting the right players in after he found a favorite.

These both turned out to be great calls by Bo. Turn-around-the-defense type calls.

Sanders was widely regarded to be a good coach (or at least a popular one). But if he 1) made poor (in retrospect) personnel calls due to favoritism, 2) wasn't a techniques guy, and 3) wasn't a recruiting guy...what were his strengths, I wonder?

I think the fact that this is a Bo Pelini secondary (and really, a Bo Pelini defense) can't be emphasized enough.

Yes Raymond is a big technique-guy but it's a huge jump to assume Sanders was weak in that dept. I'd also say Sanders was a good system guy.

I am psyched about the recruiting Raymond brings, especially Louisiana ties. LSU does have a great hold on that state they want but they can't offer everybody.

 

[n.e.husker]

http://huskerextra.com/sports/football/article_8283c501-0dc5-5186-9a8a-2d8404698d7f.html

That's been quite evident to Raymond.
"To know the position, you have to learn the history about the position — knowing who came before him, guys who played the position, how they worked at it and how they became better at what they were doing," said Raymond, who replaced Marvin Sanders.

That football intelligence is what Raymond likes the most about Evans, who played at Juan Seguin High School in Arlington, Texas.

"He's a heady guy," Raymond said. "He's very knowledgeable about playing the position. That's a real good thing. That means he was taught how to play the position when he was younger. That's a tribute to whoever was coaching him when he was younger."

 

[BigWillie]

Two things ..

- Coach Raymond is teaching the guys to not be as physical as they were in the past by putting their hands on the WR. Prince and Dennard were both very physical CBs the last couple of years, and were allowed alot of freedom in bumping WRs. In the B10, they aren't getting as much freedom as we were allowed in the B12. Dennard especially will have an adjustment to make, because regardless of his size, that dude loves beating up WRs at the LOS.

- If Coach Raymond was doing something Bo didn't agree with, he would know about it. Bo has his hands on every part of his football program and there is absolutely NOTHING that goes on with our team that doesn't get his stamp of approval.

Not to mention that if you wanted to get down to where Bo would likely be if he were a position coach, and that would be the DBs. Bo absolutely knows his s... when it comes to the secondary.

 

[da skers]

As long as there's a Pelini in charge, we'll be fine. Man we are SERIOUSLY getting desperate for talking points.

agreed bo is like the bofather... he gives the orders and the guys fit their style based on what he wants... he would let CR or have hired CR f#*k up his D.....

Plus in the past Bo pulled rank on Sander too. He always favored West and Bo told him to play Denard and Prince. And last year 1/2 through he made Sanders play Cassidy and Osborne when the other guys weren't getting it done but Sanders wanted them to stick with other guys. If he see something he doesn't like or someone in who shouldn't be he's going to let it be known. Sanders got a lot of credit for personnel decisions Bo made. That was actually Sanders weakness as a DC and as a position coach. He had a hard time putting the right players in after he found a favorite.

These both turned out to be great calls by Bo. Turn-around-the-defense type calls.

Sanders was widely regarded to be a good coach (or at least a popular one). But if he 1) made poor (in retrospect) personnel calls due to favoritism, 2) wasn't a techniques guy, and 3) wasn't a recruiting guy...what were his strengths, I wonder?

I think the fact that this is a Bo Pelini secondary (and really, a Bo Pelini defense) can't be emphasized enough.

Sanders was a very good coach. He improved our technique greatly when he got here and coached up several players. Who ever said he wasn't a good technician is way off base. He just stressed a different type of play. And he was also a good recruiter. He had a very strong organizational back ground and was very very skilled at film breakdown.

 

[knapplc]

What's weird is that we actually have a thread about the defense, where people are expressing concern about a coach with six years in the NFL and coaching experience at Utah (and some at LSU), but we don't have that same concern over our brand new WR Coach, Rich Fisher.

Not to throw coach Fisher under the bus, but if there's a coach on this staff that I have concerns about, it's him, not Raymond.

 

[da skers]

What's weird is that we actually have a thread about the defense, where people are expressing concern about a coach with six years in the NFL and coaching experience at Utah (and some at LSU), but we don't have that same concern over our brand new WR Coach, Rich Fisher.

Not to throw coach Fisher under the bus, but if there's a coach on this staff that I have concerns about, it's him, not Raymond.

Thats because one is replacing what was perceived as a strong coach while the other is replacing what was perceived as a weak one. Both former coaches were very good coaches. One was just on the side of the ball that had been performing at a championship level.

 

[knapplc]

What's weird is that we actually have a thread about the defense, where people are expressing concern about a coach with six years in the NFL and coaching experience at Utah (and some at LSU), but we don't have that same concern over our brand new WR Coach, Rich Fisher.

Not to throw coach Fisher under the bus, but if there's a coach on this staff that I have concerns about, it's him, not Raymond.

Thats because one is replacing what was perceived as a strong coach while the other is replacing what was perceived as a weak one. Both former coaches were very good coaches. One was just on the side of the ball that had been performing at a championship level.

True, but one incoming coach has chops while the other has... nothing. And on top of that, Bo Pelini is the Lord High Commander of All Things Defense. If there's going to be a breakdown, it's not on Bo's preferred side of the ball. I would consider that side safer than the Offense, which has been atrocious at times the past three years.

 

[da skers]

What's weird is that we actually have a thread about the defense, where people are expressing concern about a coach with six years in the NFL and coaching experience at Utah (and some at LSU), but we don't have that same concern over our brand new WR Coach, Rich Fisher.

Not to throw coach Fisher under the bus, but if there's a coach on this staff that I have concerns about, it's him, not Raymond.

Thats because one is replacing what was perceived as a strong coach while the other is replacing what was perceived as a weak one. Both former coaches were very good coaches. One was just on the side of the ball that had been performing at a championship level.

True, but one incoming coach has chops while the other has... nothing. And on top of that, Bo Pelini is the Lord High Commander of All Things Defense. If there's going to be a breakdown, it's not on Bo's preferred side of the ball. I would consider that side safer than the Offense, which has been atrocious at times the past three years.

You have Cadillac Escalade and you put a new oil filter in it and two days later you see a few oil spots on the garage floor. You're probably going to worry if you cracked the filter but you can't really tell until you drive it a few days to see if it was just a few drops that the grease monkey spilled or the thing really is cracked. You also have an 8 yr old Pontiac grand prix. You have a low tire on. So you use some fix a flat to repair it. Which one are you going to be more worried about doing further damage too?

 

[Mierin]

You have Cadillac Escalade and you put a new oil filter in it and two days later you see a few oil spots on the garage floor. You're probably going to worry if you cracked the filter but you can't really tell until you drive it a few days to see if it was just a few drops that the grease monkey spilled or the thing really is cracked. You also have an 8 yr old Pontiac grand prix. You have a low tire on. So you use some fix a flat to repair it. Which one are you going to be more worried about doing further damage too?

can you please re-write this in terms of shoes?

 

[knapplc]

You have Cadillac Escalade and you put a new oil filter in it and two days later you see a few oil spots on the garage floor. You're probably going to worry if you cracked the filter but you can't really tell until you drive it a few days to see if it was just a few drops that the grease monkey spilled or the thing really is cracked. You also have an 8 yr old Pontiac grand prix. You have a low tire on. So you use some fix a flat to repair it. Which one are you going to be more worried about doing further damage too?

can you please re-write this in terms of shoes?

Moiraine, you crack me up.

da skers - I get where you're coming from. It's all about your particular point of view. Overall, I'm not concerned about Raymond or Fisher, but we'll see what happens come game time.

 

[EZ-E]

Honestly, I'm not worried about who the DB coach is. As long as Bo is here we'll have one of the best secondary coaches in the country helping out.

I couldn't agree more. I'm sure if our guys start playing like they have huge gaping vaginae Bo and Carl will get it fixed.

Exactly.

As long as Bo is here the secondary will be absolutely fine. This is a guy who is in a different class than anyone save Saban. Saban and Bo are in the same class when it comes to coaching defense. Oh, BTW, secondary play is the genious of one of the men I just spoke about and his name is Pelini.