NC run, If not this year than in 2013
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zoogs
Assistant Coach
Actually, the only +1's I gave in this thread were HuskerFanChuck, knapplc, and Green & White. If you're curious. Not that I don't agree with some of the points he's made, but I do wonder who his fan is in this thread.
It's good that you are sharing a different take on it. In my opinion it's no more or less factual than the other takes. Of course, neither you nor I nor anyone else who's posted on it so far were there.
I would say though, that parents getting upset at calls for a kids' softball game is just silly. Let's not look at the names of the parents involved. It's just silly. Embarrassing conduct for adults. I'm sure it is commonplace. It's also commonplace for adults to cut in front of kids to get autographs from their favorite Huskers, though, isn't it? Also silly.
And knapplc, people other people know who were at the tourney didn't see it as an insignificant thing. You are right, there are a lot of different interpretations to whatever happened.
It's good that you are sharing a different take on it. In my opinion it's no more or less factual than the other takes. Of course, neither you nor I nor anyone else who's posted on it so far were there.
I would say though, that parents getting upset at calls for a kids' softball game is just silly. Let's not look at the names of the parents involved. It's just silly. Embarrassing conduct for adults. I'm sure it is commonplace. It's also commonplace for adults to cut in front of kids to get autographs from their favorite Huskers, though, isn't it? Also silly.
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knapplc
International Man of Mystery
Let's put it this way. It was so "significant" that nobody knew about it until you invited Endo to come here and talk about it - not even me, who knew parents who were at/coached at that tourney. Nobody talked about it until I asked them, and when I asked, it was, "He said what every other parent was saying." I'm not sharing a "different take," I'm sharing the view of normal, rational, everyday Nebraskans. I can't say the same about your friend Endo.
It's great that you'd like to make more out of this tournament thing than there was. But until it costs Bo his job, it's nothing. That's the bottom line.
As for how parents react to officiating at their kids' games, let me know how you react when you have a kid.
And I've never seen an adult cut in front of a kid to get an autograph. Have you, or is this yet another straw man?
zoogs
Assistant Coach
I did not invite Endo here to come and talk about some softball tourney. Are you for real?
It is not going to cost Bo his job, plain and simple. As Chuck said, how a coach behaves himself is pretty irrelevant. I mean, unless it's far out of line, Woody Hayes style.
What I am saying is: you did not know about it until you asked. Others heard about it without having to ask. What I take from that: SOME parents at the tourney thought nothing of it. OTHERS had very negative reactions and told some of the people they knew. Hence the 'different takes.' You can't speak for everyone at that softball tourney, obviously. You could say that those that reacted negatively to it are not everyday, rational Nebraskans. It'd depend too much on what exactly happened for any of us not present to judge, I suppose.
Adults fighting for time for autographs is something I've seen discussed. I've never been to a Nebraska fan day, so I don't know. But I've seen people who have talk about that. Maybe they are all blowing smoke; I guess I had never considered that as a possibility.
In any case, that's besides the point. If Joe Blow bothers to get upset with the officiating at a U12 softball game, I wouldn't think the highest of the guy. You may feel differently. But it doesn't matter. Do any of us care if Bo Pelini is a nice guy or not? He is fiery and wears it on his sleeve. Jon Gruden went off on refs at a high school game, which is something plenty of parents have done, I'm sure. I thought he embarrassed himself in that episode, but it takes nothing away from how much I think of the guy as a coach (which is a lot) nor as a MNF announcer (which is equally a lot). If Gruden were coach of the Huskers and that happened, I wouldn't call for his firing at all. Similarly, I am not calling for Bo's firing.
Endo seems to believe that episodes such as this are leaving Bo in a bit of an estranged position with the Administration, one that could result in his dismissal if we don't win big this year. That is his argument. I still consider that very unlikely (just plain hard to imagine, isn't it? and I'd disagree with the decision, if it did happen), but that is the argument.
Your argument is currently that it never happened, or is insignificant. Given that none of us were there, I would say that such declarations about the facts of that day are just a little overdone. I'd be happy to have a discussion on the ramifications of *if* it did happen and Bo really did go off the deep end. I'll start: aside from hurting a few parents' feelings, I don't think matters much. Bo would not have represented his program well, but it is probably a bit much to expect that out of coaches all the time. Everyone rubs someone the wrong way. Callahan was a nice guy I'm sure, but he rubbed a lot of pretty important people the wrong way and still gets a lot of flak for that, when really the flak he should be taking is for captaining the sinking ship that was '07.
It is not going to cost Bo his job, plain and simple. As Chuck said, how a coach behaves himself is pretty irrelevant. I mean, unless it's far out of line, Woody Hayes style.
What I am saying is: you did not know about it until you asked. Others heard about it without having to ask. What I take from that: SOME parents at the tourney thought nothing of it. OTHERS had very negative reactions and told some of the people they knew. Hence the 'different takes.' You can't speak for everyone at that softball tourney, obviously. You could say that those that reacted negatively to it are not everyday, rational Nebraskans. It'd depend too much on what exactly happened for any of us not present to judge, I suppose.
Adults fighting for time for autographs is something I've seen discussed. I've never been to a Nebraska fan day, so I don't know. But I've seen people who have talk about that. Maybe they are all blowing smoke; I guess I had never considered that as a possibility.
In any case, that's besides the point. If Joe Blow bothers to get upset with the officiating at a U12 softball game, I wouldn't think the highest of the guy. You may feel differently. But it doesn't matter. Do any of us care if Bo Pelini is a nice guy or not? He is fiery and wears it on his sleeve. Jon Gruden went off on refs at a high school game, which is something plenty of parents have done, I'm sure. I thought he embarrassed himself in that episode, but it takes nothing away from how much I think of the guy as a coach (which is a lot) nor as a MNF announcer (which is equally a lot). If Gruden were coach of the Huskers and that happened, I wouldn't call for his firing at all. Similarly, I am not calling for Bo's firing.
Endo seems to believe that episodes such as this are leaving Bo in a bit of an estranged position with the Administration, one that could result in his dismissal if we don't win big this year. That is his argument. I still consider that very unlikely (just plain hard to imagine, isn't it? and I'd disagree with the decision, if it did happen), but that is the argument.
Your argument is currently that it never happened, or is insignificant. Given that none of us were there, I would say that such declarations about the facts of that day are just a little overdone. I'd be happy to have a discussion on the ramifications of *if* it did happen and Bo really did go off the deep end. I'll start: aside from hurting a few parents' feelings, I don't think matters much. Bo would not have represented his program well, but it is probably a bit much to expect that out of coaches all the time. Everyone rubs someone the wrong way. Callahan was a nice guy I'm sure, but he rubbed a lot of pretty important people the wrong way and still gets a lot of flak for that, when really the flak he should be taking is for captaining the sinking ship that was '07.
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knapplc
International Man of Mystery
Endo states that he was invited by you. You claim to know him from another forum - a forum whose name you will not disclose. Feel free to stop me when I'm saying things that are not true.
No, *I* did not know about it until I asked, but the people who were there are very good friends. Very good friends. They would have told me if it was a big deal. Fact is, I see and talk to Bo more than anyone I know. It's not an unusual thing for someone around here to see him, especially at these tourneys. Again, what happened at this tournament was so insignificant that nobody I know mentioned it.
Then again, nobody I know thinks Bo is "the bad guy" or has bad things to say about him. The people I know accept Bo for the person he is, good points and bad points together. They do not readily accept as fact rumors of bad things he's allegedly done. I cannot say the same for you - and I am "for real" on that one. You've made no bones about stating your displeasure with Bo on many occasions. It is no shock to me, and many others here, that you would readily accept as fact the stance that this tournament represented some kind of "moment" for Bo.
I don't find Endo credible, nor do I care for his opinion, and I am not alone in that stance. Nor do I accept as fact his interpretation of the events of that day, not out of some misplaced loyalty for Bo Pelini, but based on the first-hand accounts of people I know to be trustworthy. I do not know Endo to be trustworthy. I wonder as well who else's word I can trust.
And just so we're clear - you expect me to believe, or give credence to, Endo when he says these things about Pelini, but you expect me to disbelieve Endo when he tells me that you invited him to come to HuskerBoard. Is that correct?
No, *I* did not know about it until I asked, but the people who were there are very good friends. Very good friends. They would have told me if it was a big deal. Fact is, I see and talk to Bo more than anyone I know. It's not an unusual thing for someone around here to see him, especially at these tourneys. Again, what happened at this tournament was so insignificant that nobody I know mentioned it.
Then again, nobody I know thinks Bo is "the bad guy" or has bad things to say about him. The people I know accept Bo for the person he is, good points and bad points together. They do not readily accept as fact rumors of bad things he's allegedly done. I cannot say the same for you - and I am "for real" on that one. You've made no bones about stating your displeasure with Bo on many occasions. It is no shock to me, and many others here, that you would readily accept as fact the stance that this tournament represented some kind of "moment" for Bo.
I don't find Endo credible, nor do I care for his opinion, and I am not alone in that stance. Nor do I accept as fact his interpretation of the events of that day, not out of some misplaced loyalty for Bo Pelini, but based on the first-hand accounts of people I know to be trustworthy. I do not know Endo to be trustworthy. I wonder as well who else's word I can trust.
And just so we're clear - you expect me to believe, or give credence to, Endo when he says these things about Pelini, but you expect me to disbelieve Endo when he tells me that you invited him to come to HuskerBoard. Is that correct?
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HuskerBacon
Starter
Screw 2013 were winning it all this year 
zoogs
Assistant Coach
Here's where, knapp.
I believe I was sufficiently clear in that I took objection to your stipulation that I invited someone here to talk about a softball incident. Considering my exact words were, "I did not invite Endo here to come and talk about some softball tourney." :facepalm: Endo was looking for a Husker football forum. Tell me, if someone you know wants to look for a Husker football forum, where would you point them? For gosh sake, knapp.
They would have told you if they thought it was a big deal.
See, how is this any different from Endo knowing people who were there, who did think it was a big deal, who told him about it? Maybe they aren't as good friends to him as your friends are to you. :dunno I admit to having no idea how close he is to whomever told him about it.
So, was it a big deal or not? I don't know. I respect that you will take your friends at their word on it. I would not do differently if I were you. But as for me, I don't know. And to add, whether it's your friends who are right or Endo's, it doesn't much change my view of the whole thing, which is that it doesn't mean much.
But I hope you can see that with respect to the "facts" that you are trying to declare, there isn't much of a difference between you coming on here and sharing what your friends told you, and anyone else doing the same.
That is a not at all my view of it. I hope I've made it clear in the past few posts that my view is that "facts" about the goings-on are murky and open to a variety of different interpretations. The only 'fact' seems to be that multiple people, including Bo, were displeased with the umpire. To what extent, is anyone's guess.
I am starting to think that it actually hurts people's feelings if I don't like Bo as much as them. But I do like Bo, a lot, and hope we get to keep him for a long time. If that makes anyone feel better. :dunno He's a frickin' defensive genius. Everything he touches turns to gold. Last year, after A&M I said he needed to tone down the ref abuse, because it was costing us games. I still think that is true, but I also think he's turned a corner and we won't see the same kind of ref abuse out of him we have in the past. And yes, I do still think he made the wrong call with Taylor last year. With all the 'he's a freshman' mistakes and the chemistry issues that we evidently went through last year, I think it was the wrong call. Wrong for Taylor, wrong for the team. But that's all in the past. I digress. I have no agenda against Bo, if that is what is being suggested.
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The Dude
Heisman Trophy Winner
I was just joking about you giving Endo +1's buy the way, I don't care.
As for the softball tournament, we've heard everything from "eh, nothing happend" to Endo's take of "he was kicked out and TO launched a political cover up to keep it under wraps". And it was something that was never brought up until Endo started talking about it. If you believe his absurd, over-the-top take on a non-issue you're most likely mentally deficient. The problem with rumors is people imbellish and blatantly make stuff up i.e. Taylor Martinez has a broken elbow. Bo got kicked out of a softball tourney is a lot sexier story than, eh, nothing happened.
As for the softball tournament, we've heard everything from "eh, nothing happend" to Endo's take of "he was kicked out and TO launched a political cover up to keep it under wraps". And it was something that was never brought up until Endo started talking about it. If you believe his absurd, over-the-top take on a non-issue you're most likely mentally deficient. The problem with rumors is people imbellish and blatantly make stuff up i.e. Taylor Martinez has a broken elbow. Bo got kicked out of a softball tourney is a lot sexier story than, eh, nothing happened.
