How good can we be with TM under center next year?

[lo country]

Wrong again, the center Zoogies. lol

We seem to do this every year, a couple of weeks ago, this was the worst team in history so to speak, blah blah blah. We can play the games and see what happens, saying we have a realistic chance at MNC this year is star struck at the least. We have not won one for how long, with a far better teams than what this one is on paper. True anything can happen. But for some reason, my guess is by the start of fall practice, most will have bought into we are headed to the MNC. And when that does not happen, it will be Taylors, fault, Cottons fault, Becks fault and the sky will fall, just like it does every year.

It seems to me if you look at it what most likely happens this year, and try to live within those lines the year goes easier, and you do not lose your mind over it.

I never expect MNC, never even expect CCG's. Been to far removed, lost a lot of luster. If we do as well as we did this year, I will be somewhat happy. Lose a game more, not so happy would seem to be about right. Young team, young coaching staff, none really knowing their jobs. Less than top level talent and a pretty rough schedule.

9-4 is about as high as I see up being, that is if everything plays out right, no major injuries.

Ohio State will crush us. Michigan likewise I think, and will most likely lose another one between Michigan State, Wisky and Northwestern. Anything better I will be very happy. We lose in our bowl game again.

The next year we have it a little easier, and I look to see us improve then. Not until.

Now I have made my prediction and will stick with until the end of the season. Hopefully I will eat crow, unfortunately I have never had to on this board that I remember. Normally pretty close to what happens.

Now for the pie in sky group, make your predictiosn and we will see who ends up closer at the end of this year.

Reality is how it comes out.

LOL its months until fall practice even starts.... they have a new coach..... we beat them last year. its WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to early to even think you have a clue as to how this game will turn out.

But it is fair to assume that Bo will get out coached by Urban. The man has 3 undefeated seasons, and a pair of rings for a reason, and its at their house...

Sadly, Bo and Co have been out coached in a few games. Urban has a history of coming into established programs and making them MNC winners. No easy task. Without an improved D and a response to stopping a mobile QB, it is going to be a very hard game to stay close let alone win.

Across the board we are a crazy young team, with very new and inexperienced coaches. It will be a tough season next year IMO.

 

[skersfan]

He is a great coach, with a mobile QB, has more talent at every position, has hired the best assistant coaches he can find. We lucked out and beat them last year, due to Braxtons injury. You truly believe we have a chance, good for you. I do not think there is a slight chance of winning other than we have to play the game, and they lose half their starters.

Until we recruit like them or even remotely close to what they do year in and year out we have not chance. Ohio State is an elite program, have been for quite awhile. They actually play for MNC, CCG and win. We have not seen a CC, nor have we sniffed a BCS game.

Reality sir, it is staring you in the face and yet somehow you see Bo riding in on a white horse and beating them. I hope you are right, but if I was a betting man, and everything stayed as it is now, I would give 14 points for a couple of hundred I think. But way to early to do that now, by game time I might be willing to give more.

Hope springs eternal after two weeks of off season. Three weeks ago everyone was down, bad this bad that, but suddenly a few days pass and we are back in the MNC hunt, something we have not seen realistically in 15 years.

 

[Hunter94]

He is a great coach, with a mobile QB, has more talent at every position, has hired the best assistant coaches he can find. We lucked out and beat them last year, due to Braxtons injury. You truly believe we have a chance, good for you. I do not think there is a slight chance of winning other than we have to play the game, and they lose half their starters.

Until we recruit like them or even remotely close to what they do year in and year out we have not chance. Ohio State is an elite program, have been for quite awhile. They actually play for MNC, CCG and win. We have not seen a CC, nor have we sniffed a BCS game.

Reality sir, it is staring you in the face and yet somehow you see Bo riding in on a white horse and beating them. I hope you are right, but if I was a betting man, and everything stayed as it is now, I would give 14 points for a couple of hundred I think. But way to early to do that now, by game time I might be willing to give more.

Hope springs eternal after two weeks of off season. Three weeks ago everyone was down, bad this bad that, but suddenly a few days pass and we are back in the MNC hunt, something we have not seen realistically in 15 years.

another dose of reality, it just is what it is for now.

 

[knapplc]

another dose of reality, it just is what it is for now.

 

[bshirt]

Alright, I really hope this isn't construed as another T-Mart waste of a thread, but the idea just popped in my head as I am lying in bed...

What is our ceiling with T-Magic as the QB of this team? Now, I'm just going to make a big assumption here, but let's assume Taylor continues to slightly improve the next two years and becomes a very good game manager for us. It's probably safe to say that he will never be Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, or even Graham Harrell chucking the ball around. If you feel that is not the case, I'd love to know why.

I just want to know... how high should we set our hopes for the next two years? Winning seasons and a decent bowl game? Conference Champions? BCS? National Champs??

A guy can hope.

decent game managers don't win championships.....it takes a little more than that......i guess we are at the point where having a decent game manager at qb is our goal.....excuse me while i puke!

It works for Bama. It would have worked for LSU if they were smart enough to actually put their good game manager in at QB in the title game.

Defense wins championships, buddy. TM is more than good enough to help us win a NC, as long as we have a good defense and a good O-Line.

100% on the money.

 

[zoogs]

Zoogies,

If we had Luck under center do you believe Nebraska would have won the MNC, or the CCG, or beat Wisconsin, Michigan and South Carolina. If you do then I understand how you think. If you don't, then you realize there are for more problems than Taylor.

If we had a QB like Luck under center, I think we would have made it to the CCG. I don't think it would have taken Luck, either. Kain Colter. Colin Klein. A number of guys...and, I'm saying that Luck would not guarantee any more than those guys would.

I think you are seriously underestimating the effects of having a guy back there that is polished, can dissect defenses, and can open up the offense in terms of what formations and routes and plays it can throw at defenders.

Of course, it's not like we needed to have a better QB. Many other options. We could take back Suh and give up Crick. We could take back Prince, Hagg, and Gomes, and give up Green/Evans, Thorell, and Blatchford. We could trade our OL for a powerhouse OL unit. All of this would have gotten us to the CB. But so would a really dynamic QB.

They are all on the wishlist.

 

[knapplc]

decent game managers don't win championships.....it takes a little more than that......

Trent Dilfer says "Hi."

 

[zoogs]

It works for Bama. It would have worked for LSU if they were smart enough to actually put their good game manager in at QB in the title game.

Defense wins championships, buddy.

Oooh, are you saying great defenses paired with a good game-managing QB instead of a more volatile but more impressive athlete?



Agree. I hope others who agree with this can understand my position on Zac Lee at the beginning of the 2010 season now.

 

[bshirt]

How good can we be with TM under center next year?

Ceiling = National Championship

Basement = Seven Wins (or Six Losses)

Your ceiling is set WAY too high. Then again, I'm more of a realist.

If being a Debbie Downer is the requirement for being a "realist" then I suppose you are indeed.

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

He is a great coach, with a mobile QB, has more talent at every position, has hired the best assistant coaches he can find. We lucked out and beat them last year, due to Braxtons injury. You truly believe we have a chance, good for you. I do not think there is a slight chance of winning other than we have to play the game, and they lose half their starters.

Until we recruit like them or even remotely close to what they do year in and year out we have not chance. Ohio State is an elite program, have been for quite awhile. They actually play for MNC, CCG and win. We have not seen a CC, nor have we sniffed a BCS game.

Reality sir, it is staring you in the face and yet somehow you see Bo riding in on a white horse and beating them. I hope you are right, but if I was a betting man, and everything stayed as it is now, I would give 14 points for a couple of hundred I think. But way to early to do that now, by game time I might be willing to give more.

Hope springs eternal after two weeks of off season. Three weeks ago everyone was down, bad this bad that, but suddenly a few days pass and we are back in the MNC hunt, something we have not seen realistically in 15 years.

Conference championship games...I think the only team who has won that is Wisconsin.

As for national championship games and playing for and winning them...hmm....oh yeah Florida in 2006 [or somewhere there] What was the score of that one?

Listen, I know what you're trying to say and quite honestly, I believe you. Once Ohio State gets off their postseason ban, they're going to be a scary team. Braxton will be a junior and they're going to be chalk-full of talent with a great head coach. It would be a shocker if they DON'T win a MNC in the next 5-6 years.

But using Ohio State's history to me seems like a moot point as the last time they played for a conference championship game was never and the last time they played and won a MNC was 4 years after we did.

 

[Enhance]

If had a choice between a dynamic qb, or better playmakers everywhere else, I'd go with the latter. Martinez is extremely low on the laundry list of issues I have for this team.

 

[mnhusker]

I'm going to go with the coolaide version and say that T-Mart with get better as will those around him so we will pick up one or two more Wins beacuse the offense will be more consistant even if the D-falters at time. The passing game will improrve improve so the "dual-theat" will start to be more than just a running game with a servicable passing threat. Also this is when Rex gets to really dominate.

 

[bshirt]

The most important asset is the passing ability though. The game has evolved to that. The NFL has evolved to that style. When Nebraska conforms to the NFL systems, we will bring in future NFL players. How many Nebraska QB's have been drafted to the NFL? It's time to move in that direction.

This is the same argument that people made in support of bringing Callahan to Nebraska, and it's the same thing people have said about offensive football in general since the 1980's. They've never stopped being wrong.

The NFL is getting closer to college football, not the other way around. The New England Patriots are headed to the Super Bowl with a spread offense. The Denver Broncos reached the second round of the playoffs running a bad version of the spread option with the NFL's version of Taylor Martinez at QB, if you will. And just a few days ago, Tampa Bay was this close to hiring spread option wizard Chip Kelly.

But this version won 2 MNC's (Chris Leak starter). Not even a close comparison.

I would take any "poor" passer of NU's great running QB's over Martinez. Imagine Ganz in 2009 or 2010.

I agree the NFL is really toying with the idea of going with the spread or dual threat QB's. RGIII, Cam etc......, but these examples are head and shoulders above Martinez. The Patriots and their spread have an imaginative OC ie use of Hernandez as RB, receivers who catch, TE's who are all everything. Their talent is across the board sick.

Passing is an incredible threat and when down by 14 and time ticking, passing wins games. We can't pass to win. If they game is on the line, do you really want it to be lost or won on Martinez's arm? Not saying he can't pass, but IMO he is not a dual threat. To run or pass. Are teams stacking the box to stop his running ability or because they know he can't pass? Seems to me, a good QB in the passing game would eat a D alive dropping guys in single coverage. Until Martinez shows he can do this, teams will stack the box, he will get stuffed and we will get 3-4 losses per year.

Beck has really done nothing to deter D's from doing this. he has called a few great quarters or halfs, but needs to put together 4 quarters. His play calling has got to improve if they plan on keeping with Martinez. Can he win us games anymore? IMO not unless play calling changes, but he is getting good enough to not lose us any games.

Riiiiight......

That's why we brought in the NFL genius in 2004. For the being down by 14 with the clock ticking, In his four years with our great passing attack we were 0 - 19 when down at halftime. Something our current "horrible qb" led offense managed to do just this year vs Ohio St. (imagine that).

I guess we should jump dump everything (again) and go back to fluffball. You know, for being down by 14 with the clock ticking......

 

[zoogs]

If had a choice between a dynamic qb, or better playmakers everywhere else, I'd go with the latter. Martinez is extremely low on the laundry list of issues I have for this team.

Yes, me too. I'd rather have better quality players all over the team than one star.

However, if you can upgrade just *one* player to get to where you want to go, you are either asking for a generational talent elsewhere, or just a QB who can open things up more.

 

[lo country]

The most important asset is the passing ability though. The game has evolved to that. The NFL has evolved to that style. When Nebraska conforms to the NFL systems, we will bring in future NFL players. How many Nebraska QB's have been drafted to the NFL? It's time to move in that direction.

This is the same argument that people made in support of bringing Callahan to Nebraska, and it's the same thing people have said about offensive football in general since the 1980's. They've never stopped being wrong.

The NFL is getting closer to college football, not the other way around. The New England Patriots are headed to the Super Bowl with a spread offense. The Denver Broncos reached the second round of the playoffs running a bad version of the spread option with the NFL's version of Taylor Martinez at QB, if you will. And just a few days ago, Tampa Bay was this close to hiring spread option wizard Chip Kelly.

But this version won 2 MNC's (Chris Leak starter). Not even a close comparison.

I would take any "poor" passer of NU's great running QB's over Martinez. Imagine Ganz in 2009 or 2010.

I agree the NFL is really toying with the idea of going with the spread or dual threat QB's. RGIII, Cam etc......, but these examples are head and shoulders above Martinez. The Patriots and their spread have an imaginative OC ie use of Hernandez as RB, receivers who catch, TE's who are all everything. Their talent is across the board sick.

Passing is an incredible threat and when down by 14 and time ticking, passing wins games. We can't pass to win. If they game is on the line, do you really want it to be lost or won on Martinez's arm? Not saying he can't pass, but IMO he is not a dual threat. To run or pass. Are teams stacking the box to stop his running ability or because they know he can't pass? Seems to me, a good QB in the passing game would eat a D alive dropping guys in single coverage. Until Martinez shows he can do this, teams will stack the box, he will get stuffed and we will get 3-4 losses per year.

Beck has really done nothing to deter D's from doing this. he has called a few great quarters or halfs, but needs to put together 4 quarters. His play calling has got to improve if they plan on keeping with Martinez. Can he win us games anymore? IMO not unless play calling changes, but he is getting good enough to not lose us any games.

Riiiiight......

That's why we brought in the NFL genius in 2004. For the being down by 14 with the clock ticking, In his four years with our great passing attack we were 0 - 19 when down at halftime. Something our current "horrible qb" led offense managed to do just this year vs Ohio St. (imagine that).

I guess we should jump dump everything (again) and go back to fluffball. You know, for being down by 14 with the clock ticking......

Don't kid yourself. No strip, no momentum shift. Healthy Miller equals another televised beat down. A good dul threat QB can use his arm and feet to beat you. Martinez is neither. Is he serviceable to win. Yes. Will he lose us any games? No.

Cally's O was not the issue. It was the D.

You think Martinez is great good for you. Without some serious improvement on both sides we are still a 3-4 loss team.