College Football Hall of Fame - 2012 class... No Frazier

Where did I say you said he didn't deserve anything? If we're talking about "sensitive Husker fans," can we pull up a seat for the sensitive Tiger fans as well? I think you're the pot or the kettle there. Take your pick.

Colin Kaepernick was named MVP of the 2008 Humanitarian Bowl. Nevada lost the game.
I think constantly pointing out some media guys who were upset when I was saying nothing about that lead me to believe your being alittle sensitive buddy. And as far as me, i have nothing to be sensitive about in this arguement.

I should have been more clear. I thought we were talking about MNC MVP's not some obscure Humanitarian Bowl with two 7-5 teams...

 
Is this one of those times when the uninformed national media is right about one our guys?
This is probably the part where someone would point out to you that not every national media member is or was or has been excoriated here for their malfeasance.

 
Wow, fro. You're attempting to set the record for number of times one player is thrown under the bus in one thread, I see.

Also, you're very much cherry-picking stats. You're ignoring things like

Conference Championships won:

Player A: 4

Player B: 2

National Titles Won:

Player A: 2

Player B: 1

We can play this game all day long. You clearly think Tebow is a better player, and you clearly think Frazier's statistics show he's not a player to get excited about. We get it. No amount of anything will convince you otherwise. You are welcome to your opinion, but kindly understand that some here may not share it.

 
None of us are saying Tommie isn't deserving. I think it's complete crap he's not in there yet. I'd think it's complete crap if Tebow didn't get in early too though. I can understand why some people think Tebow had a better career that Tommy (I personally don't, but I see the argument and certainly feel it could go either way).

The argument behind Tebow is, that if you take him out of the game...Florida loses 4-6 games a season. You take Tommy out of the game (which he was frequently) - and Nebraska still rolls to an undefeated season. I often wonder what kind of QB Martinez would be on those teams. My guess is pretty damn dominant. Tebow had great players around him as well - but nothing like those 94' 95' teams IMO.
This is my thoughts exactly. TF is deserving, as a number of player are that will get their turn. And the whole Tebow thing (I personally couldnt care less about the guy) is that to bag on him as a player is kinda dumb. I was only comparing him to TF because of the post about it. Just showing that I thought it was a silly statement.

And I totally agree with the bolded part. Imagine TM in that role on that team. Its nothing against TF, But Could you imagine some fo the really talented big8/12 QB's that played for lesser teams being in his place. Some of these guys would have been extreamly dominant. Guys Micheal Bishop, Seneca Wallace, Corby Jones or Darrian Hagan. Can you imagine what someone like Brad Smith could have done...

 
I'll just leave these here and let you all get on with your Tebow Lovefest....

We can make it simple: Nebraska quarterback Tommie Frazier was the best player on the best college football team of the past 25 years, and possibly the greatest college football team of all time.

Honestly, what can we say? "Tommie Frazier should be in the College Football Hall of Fame" is the kind of statement that's so obvious that building an argument on its behalf seems pointless.

If 17 years after he concluded his Cornhusker career, Tommie Frazier still isn't good enough for the College Football Hall of Fame, then why even have a College Football Hall of Fame? No disrespect to the outstanding 14 players and 3 coaches enshrined Tuesday, but if the entire point of your Hall of Fame isn't to honor a player exactly like Frazier -- who dominated the sport like no other player of his era and was first-and-foremost a college football player who mastered a college football system -- that what, exactly, is the point?

Reportedly, the point is not to elect players from the same school in consecutive seasons after Nebraska lineman Will Shields was honored in 2011. But if that's the case, why even include Frazier (and fellow Cornhusker legend Trev Alberts) on the ballot? Why not make it clear up front that votes for Nebraska players won't be counted? And it doesn't change the point: if your Hall of Fame is going out of its way to keep Tommie Frazier out of it, you're doing it wrong.
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There's nothing wrong with who is on this list, but the majority of today's reaction centered on those who were not - due to "unspoken" rules - selected rather than those who were. The two biggest slights, Ohio State's Orlando Pace and Nebraska's Tommie Frazier, were overlooked as a result of an unwritten rule. The rules says (without being a rule) that if a school was represented in the prior year's class, that no players from said school shall be chosen. Since Eddie George (OSU) and Will Shields (Nebraska) got the call last year, that sealed the fate for Pace and Frazier. So there's the reason, but here's the thing about that: it's stupid.

This is an Ohio State-related blog, of course, and I know that you expect I will go on about Orlando Pace, but I want to focus on the ridiculous exclusion of Frazier; who has been eligible since 2006. I am not a mathematician, but after doing some counting on my fingers, I came up with six times that Frazier has been overlooked. With apologies to Barbara Mandrell, Frazier was Tebow, when Tebow wasn't cool.

I fell in love with college football in the mid-1990's, and while Ohio State was always the first thing on my TV and in my conversations at the lunch table on Monday mornings; but it was Frazier who stood out as the best player in three straight national title games. It was Frazier who taught me that a quarterback could be successful in non-traditional offenses. It was Frazier, not Doug Williams or Warren Moon, who has most impacted the game as we know it today, when quarterbacks, black or white, can strike a defense at its core and rip it to shreds from the inside out.

Frazier's 75-yard touchdown run in the 1996 Fiesta Bowl, as part of one college football's all-time greatest teams, instantly became the run that me and all my friends would try to mimic on Sunday afternoon football games.

Here is a player who's on the field exploits have never been outdone by off the field mistakes, nor did he leave a black mark on the Huskers due to arrests or NCAA violations. He finished a short professional career and went into coaching, and continues to be a bright spot in the now fading shadow that was once Nebraska's national relevance. Yet, he continues to be snubbed by a group of "nominations may be made only by a dues-paying member of the National Football Foundation or by athletic directors, coaches or CoSida members representing dues-paying colleges/universities," for reasons unknown or just flat out fabricated.

If this isn't enough to get someone into the NFF Hall of Fame in his first year eligible, is it enough to get him in his 7th?
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The Best Team I Ever Covered

By Tim Layden - Wednesday July 20, 2011

SI.com asked several current and retired SI writers to offer reflections on the best team they ever covered as sports journalists. Here's Tim Layden on the 1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers:

The realization came suddenly and with smack-yourself-in-the-forehead clarity, just before halftime of the Fiesta Bowl on the second night of 1996. Defending national champion Nebraska had awakened from an early 10-6 deficit and was in the midst of running off 36 straight points on Florida en route to a 62-24 dismantling of the Gators in the de facto 1995 national championship game. But the Cornhuskers were not just defeating Florida, which had ridden coach Steve Spurrier's Fun 'n Gun offense to its first appearance in the national title game. The Cornhuskers were beating up the Gators in a bullies vs. bookworms schoolyard beatdown, transforming Florida from a rollicking offensive machine, champions of the mighty Southeastern Conference, into a giant quivering lip.

At some point in the middle of this steamrolling, I walked from my seat in the press box at Sun Devil Stadium and wandered down to where Sports Illustrated colleague Scott Price was sitting. I tapped him on the right shoulder, bent over and said, "Nebraska is Miami now.''

Scott whipped his head around and said, immediately, "They are. They're Miami.''
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Wow, fro. You're attempting to set the record for number of times one player is thrown under the bus in one thread, I see.

Also, you're very much cherry-picking stats. You're ignoring things like

Conference Championships won:

Player A: 4

Player B: 2

National Titles Won:

Player A: 2

Player B: 1

We can play this game all day long. You clearly think Tebow is a better player, and you clearly think Frazier's statistics show he's not a player to get excited about. We get it. No amount of anything will convince you otherwise. You are welcome to your opinion, but kindly understand that some here may not share it.
I know not many will be on my side in this hypothetical arguement. Personally I think both are good and deserving and that both will be in. Also In that blind example I posted I didnt use TF as one of the examples. In that example it would be

A - 1 conference title, 0 NCS

B- 2 conference titles, 2 NCS

C- 0 conference titles, 0 NCS

 
Tim Tebow pretty clearly had a better career than Tommie and I don't think it is even remotely close.

He was ESPN's darling for three years, that's for sure. Other than that, "better career" is Frazier's. And that's not even close. Better winning percentage, tougher overall competition, more championships, more undefeated seasons, etc. Tebow was good, no doubt about that. But Frazier was better. Easily.
Sorry, think you're being biased on this one. Way off base. Read what fro daddy just posted.
I accept your apology. Don't listen to me, then. Listen to the national media saying it's a shame.
What? I was never discussing whether Tommie deserves to be in the HOF, because clearly he does. All I said was that Tebow clearly had the better career. Don't pull strawman stuff on me

 
If anyone ever needed an example of why fro and I are bitter enemies, it's this thread.

Pistols at dawn, fro?

 
What? I was never discussing whether Tommie deserves to be in the HOF, because clearly he does. All I said was that Tebow clearly had the better career. Don't pull strawman stuff on me
Where did I say you said Tommie doesn't deserve to be in the Hall? Speaking of straw men...

 
What? I was never discussing whether Tommie deserves to be in the HOF, because clearly he does. All I said was that Tebow clearly had the better career. Don't pull strawman stuff on me
Where did I say you said Tommie doesn't deserve to be in the Hall? Speaking of straw men...
You said "Don't listen to me, listen to the national media saying its a shame" - which is clearly a reference to the national media wondering why Tommy didn't get into the HOF and has zero bearing on the Tebow argument. What am I missing here...

 
What? I was never discussing whether Tommie deserves to be in the HOF, because clearly he does. All I said was that Tebow clearly had the better career. Don't pull strawman stuff on me
Where did I say you said Tommie doesn't deserve to be in the Hall? Speaking of straw men...
You said "Don't listen to me, listen to the national media saying its a shame" - which is clearly a reference to the national media wondering why Tommy didn't get into the HOF and has zero bearing on the Tebow argument. What am I missing here...
You're missing the fact that I never said YOU said Tommie doesn't deserve to be in the hall. In fact, we're all missing it. Because I didn't say it.

 
What? I was never discussing whether Tommie deserves to be in the HOF, because clearly he does. All I said was that Tebow clearly had the better career. Don't pull strawman stuff on me
Where did I say you said Tommie doesn't deserve to be in the Hall? Speaking of straw men...
You said "Don't listen to me, listen to the national media saying its a shame" - which is clearly a reference to the national media wondering why Tommy didn't get into the HOF and has zero bearing on the Tebow argument. What am I missing here...
You're missing the fact that I never said YOU said Tommie doesn't deserve to be in the hall. In fact, we're all missing it. Because I didn't say it.
Then what the hell was the "national media saying its a shame" comment about if not that? How else could I possibly construe that comment?

 
It was about the national media saying it's a shame that Frazier isn't in the Hall. Nobody ever mentioned whether you thought Frazier was worthy or not. In fact, I believe you've said he is earlier in the thread. I'm not sure where this whole "tschu doesn't think Tommie Frazier deserves to be in the Hall" talk is coming from.

Calm down, tschu. Nothing to get upset over.

 
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If anyone ever needed an example of why fro and I are bitter enemies, it's this thread.

Pistols at dawn, fro?
Oh whatever...you know you love me. We would be best buddies if I were a husker fan. We are both steadfast in an arguement and both of us like to debate/have spirited conversations. We are far from enemies, we are 2/3rds of THE TRIFECTA!!!

also I am busy at dawn, getting the boys ready for school and daycare...you understand though.

 
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