Have people forgotten?

[tschu]

Time to be a realist.

How ironic.

You want real?

This is Bo's FIRST head coaching job. As in, he has ZERO experience as a head coach prior to this. Let me reiterate that fact....this was his FIRST head coaching job. Bo inherited a ton of underachieving talent. He also inherited a program that had been struggling for nearly a decade, had little recruiting clout due to its struggles, and had nothing at all to hang its hat on. He proceeded to rattle off 4 straight 9-win seasons. He has undergone a conference change - just when he had his defensive scheme perfected for the Big 12, it got completely upended. His recruiting base had done a complete 180. He got rid of a west coast offensive coordinator who wasn't getting the job done. His brother Carl got a bigger opportunity and also left. His teams have exhibited some strange issues - for a season or two we were huge outliers at the bottom of the penalties category - our team got penalized way more than any other CFB team. We also seem to have a turnover differential problem. We started an inexperienced and frequently injured quarterback who has never played quarterback before 3 or 4 years ago. Some of our most talented recruits keep leaving. And so on.

Yet...Bo has won 9 games every single year.

It's a growing and learning process for Bo, just like it is for each incoming freshman. Dealing with the huge change in recruiting challenges and different programs and systems that come with the conference change would be a nightmare for any coach; Bo handled it adequately. You want realism? Bo has done nothing to warrant your ridiculous criticisms. Give this guy a chance to grow and to grow the program as a result.

 

[The Dude]

Power-I is also correct. Bo inherited a fundamentally talented and reasonably well-stocked group that had collapsed utterly as a team. He cleared the poison and rebuilt the program's psyche. For that he gets all the credit in the world.

I can agree with the fundamentally talented part, but the reasonably well-stocked part is a bit of a stretch. We didn't have much depth on defense even by the time Pelini had them playing lights out. Either way Power-I was very much incorrect, since that's not what he said. He said Bo inherited one of the most dominate defenses ever, which is demonstrably false.

 

[Power-I]

Power-I is also correct. Bo inherited a fundamentally talented and reasonably well-stocked group that had collapsed utterly as a team. He cleared the poison and rebuilt the program's psyche. For that he gets all the credit in the world.

I can agree with the fundamentally talented part, but the reasonably well-stocked part is a bit of a stretch. We didn't have much depth on defense even by the time Pelini had them playing lights out. Either way Power-I was very much incorrect, since that's not what he said. He said Bo inherited one of the most dominate defenses ever, which is demonstrably false.

Unless you are Mitt Romney, I expect you to actually demonstrate what you say is demonstrably false.

 

[The Dude]

Power-I is also correct. Bo inherited a fundamentally talented and reasonably well-stocked group that had collapsed utterly as a team. He cleared the poison and rebuilt the program's psyche. For that he gets all the credit in the world.

I can agree with the fundamentally talented part, but the reasonably well-stocked part is a bit of a stretch. We didn't have much depth on defense even by the time Pelini had them playing lights out. Either way Power-I was very much incorrect, since that's not what he said. He said Bo inherited one of the most dominate defenses ever, which is demonstrably false.

Unless you are Mitt Romney, I expect you to actually demonstrate what you say is demonstrably false.

I'm Mitt Romney.

 

[Power-I]

What exactly have I said that seems to have everyone up in arms? I stated that you can't compare TO's start to Bo's. I don't think there is anything unreasonable about that.

I stated facts about Pelini's record and TO's. Nothing to argue about there.

I, admittedly, poured on the hyperbole by stating that the '10 Blackshirts were one of the most dominant in history. I've seen that is demonstrably incorrect, but I haven't seen the demonstration. It's not like I said it was THE MOST dominant, but I think top 5 easily.

It seems like many here are too emotional about criticizing Pelini. But why? He has proven many times in his comments that he doesn't care what you think, good or bad. And THAT is demonstrable.

 

[zoogs]

I think the sticking point is that you don't emphasize enough how much credit Bo gets for making that '09/'10 defense as two of the best ever. They were quite outstanding, and it wasn't just that he inherited a core group of talented players that just needed to be whipped into his system. Although that was a part of it, of course - but he did take guys like Hagg, Prince, Suh, etc., and really levy that into amazingness. They could have been wasted.

 

[The Dude]

I, admittedly, poured on the hyperbole by stating that the '10 Blackshirts were one of the most dominant in history. I've seen that is demonstrably incorrect, but I haven't seen the demonstration. It's not like I said it was THE MOST dominant, but I think top 5 easily.

It seemed you suggested the defense Bo inherited (2007 squad) was one of the most dominant of all time. No one is up in arms.

Bo got a parts car on blocks.

Really? I didn't know one of the most dominant Blackshirt defenses ever assembled is considered "parts car on blocks".

 

[Power-I]

I think the sticking point is that you don't emphasize enough how much credit Bo gets for making that '09/'10 defense as two of the best ever. They were quite outstanding, and it wasn't just that he inherited a core group of talented players that just needed to be whipped into his system. Although that was a part of it, of course - but he did take guys like Hagg, Prince, Suh, etc., and really levy that into amazingness. They could have been wasted.

I think Pelini is an EXCELLENT teacher of technique and schemer on the defensive side of the ball. But there are plenty of people giving him credit for that, he doesn't need me to caress his ego there.

But his ability there doesn't mean I have to be completely blind to the obvious flaws that I see.

 

[Power-I]

I, admittedly, poured on the hyperbole by stating that the '10 Blackshirts were one of the most dominant in history. I've seen that is demonstrably incorrect, but I haven't seen the demonstration. It's not like I said it was THE MOST dominant, but I think top 5 easily.

It seemed you suggested the defense Bo inherited (2007 squad) was one of the most dominant of all time. No one is up in arms.

No, but I also don't think it takes Buddy Ryan to show Suh, Amukamara and the rest of them to play defense. Just not Kevin Cosgrove. Pelini deserves plenty of credit for developing and getting the most out of that awesome talent that Callahan brought in. But he also deserves questions as to what has happened since.

 

[The Dude]

Amukamara was a nobody and Suh was wholly unremarkable before Pelini came in. I remember vividly watching Suh getting put on his a$$ against USC in 2007. Dillard and Asante were garbage.

Sorry, to perpetuate the narrative that Bo just waltzed into a loaded defense is to ignore what was really going on around here.

One correction: It was demonstrably false when I said no one was up in arms. tschu is up in arms, but that has little to do with you. He's always up in arms.

 

[bshirt]

TO wasn't making 3 million dollars a year, complaining about the attitude of the people who were paying him. He also didn't regularly lose games by 30 points, and drop a game per year to some cellar dweller.

In his first 7 seasons, TO lost 4 total games by more than 2 TD's. Pelini lost 3 by more than 2 TD's last year alone.

Times aren't the same, and those two coaches certainly aren't the same.

Tom kept the train rolling. Bo is trying to rebuild the entire rail line from scratch.

Have people forgotten? The four years prior to Dr. Tom taking the helm Nebraska went:

1968-1971: 39-6-1 with back-to-back national championships in the final two years

The four years prior to Bo taking the helm Nebraska went:

2004-2007: 27-22, not even going to a bowl game two of the last three years

Nobody disputes that Dr. Tom is a genius, and nobody disputes that Bo's rebuilding project is taking longer than anticipated. But let's not pretend that they inherited similar programs. Tom got a Ferrari. Bo got a parts car on blocks.

Really? I didn't know one of the most dominant Blackshirt defenses ever assembled is considered "parts car on blocks".

Pelini inherited plenty of underachieving talent that he got to work on, and yes, he got them playing great.

But what now? We have regressed since '09. At 5 years, I think we can stop talking about what Pelini inherited as a valid excuse. Time to be a realist.

Lol!

 

[walksalone]

Really? I didn't know one of the most dominant Blackshirt defenses ever assembled is considered "parts car on blocks".

. . . Time to be a realist.

:laughpound

NCAA 13 doesn't make you a knowledgeable football fan...

 

[Hoosker]

Really? I didn't know one of the most dominant Blackshirt defenses ever assembled is considered "parts car on blocks".

. . . Time to be a realist.

:laughpound

NCAA 13 doesn't make you a knowledgeable football fan...

This.

 

[HuskerShark]

I think the sticking point is that you don't emphasize enough how much credit Bo gets for making that '09/'10 defense as two of the best ever. They were quite outstanding, and it wasn't just that he inherited a core group of talented players that just needed to be whipped into his system. Although that was a part of it, of course - but he did take guys like Hagg, Prince, Suh, etc., and really levy that into amazingness. They could have been wasted.

I think Pelini is an EXCELLENT teacher of technique and schemer on the defensive side of the ball. But there are plenty of people giving him credit for that, he doesn't need me to caress his ego there.

But his ability there doesn't mean I have to be completely blind to the obvious flaws that I see.

Nobody is asking you to do that, but I don't think that you have to be. It's pretty obvious this off-season that Bo is scrapping his ego and making the changes that need to be made in order to be successful. I think that literally every single thing that I pointed out as flaws in the footbal team last season have been adressed by Bo and Co. in one way or another.

For you and kchusker, I guess you will have to gather your patience and sit back and watch this team get better and better. Like someone said, Bo's first couple recruiting classes were far from stellar, but the last two classes and the one that he is currently assembled have me excited about what he can do in the world of recruiting. There are a lot of freshmen this year that have come in and impressed big-time. I'm excited for the future of Husker football more now than I probably ever have been because I could really see this thing begin to roll with Pelini at the helm. Drink the Kool-Aid!!!

 

['SkersRule]

Tom also coached in a time where the talent was more concentrated to a few top tier teams. That was reduced when scholarship numbers were reduced and rosters were limited in number. It was a very different era, on many levels. Comparison is "apples to oranges".

Oh hush. Scholarship limits have had ZERO impact on college football. /sarcasm.