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Just re-watched the game. RKIII definitely throws a better ball. The guy was practically perfect. It's sad that now he'll most likely go back to wearing a headset for the rest of the season.

 

F'n Pelini...

 

I can't wait to see what unfolds the rest of the season.

 

So in your perfect world, T-Mart's toe develops into a case of dengue fever and Tommy Armstrong gets Tonya Harding'd, and gets a medical redshirt, and RK III leads us to a national title with one loss...

 

In my perfect world Taylor wouldn't be playing. That's for sure...

 

And this is what baffles me about this fanbase at times...

 

There's such dislike for a particular individual, whether its Bo or T-Mart, the willingness to replace them is so great, not alot of thought is put into the "replacement". If we fire Bo, there aren't any realistic options out there that are going to wow the Husker fanbase at large. Same thing can be said for T-Mart and his ardent group of detractors. You've had one game sample, against an FCS school, and so many have already pulled the trigger on annointing RKIII or Tommy Armstrong, the next QB at Nebraska...

 

What happens if when they have to face real competition, they are an abject failure?

 

You're right about it being only 'one game'. I totally agree with you there. I however wanted to pull the trigger on Martinez 2 years ago. It definitely wasn't just after seeing how well Armstrong and Kellogg did on Saturday. I posted earlier in this thread already that absolutely it is still up in the air and totally unknown how either hypothetically would fair against a strong/good defense. No one knows and we probably never will know except for possibly Armstrong next year.

 

That's the problem for me anyway. I already know with Martinez. I've been forced to watch it for four years now.

 

But when T-Mart initally started, he played with reckless abandon, and thoughts of National Titles and Heismans danced in our heads. He gets hurt, becomes more tentative, and his decision making and throwing ability comes under scrutiny. The kid realizes this, goes and puts in the work to try and make himself better from both the mental and skill aspects of the game. And as I said earlier, some of T-Marts bad decisions were based on him being put in situations that were destined to fail. One thing I do not think you can deny is the kids desire to win.

 

Enhance, you nailed it. He's not perfect, but we know what were going to get. A kid that isn't perfect, but will scrap and fight to win a ball game.

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Why is there so much support for Armstrong? He played against an FCS team, I don't get it.

Well, the way I see it these are the only options for QB against Illinois   -Taylor Martinez -Tommy Armstrong -A Human Centipede that features 2010 Taylor's legs, Armstrong's arm, and present day

Sorry to change the subject from the word "hate" and its subsequent use or non-use in this thread.   But yes, I notice a lot of negativity going Taylor Martinez's way. Which is unfortunate. First of

There are some things RKIII does better than Taylor. There are some things Tommy Armstrong does better than Taylor.

 

But neither of them have shown it against a remotely quality opponent. And neither of them can do this:

 

 

and btw, for all the flack Taylor catches regarding his passing... He's currently 26th in the nation in pass efficiency - 2 spots ahead of Brett Smith.

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Brett Smith has 1315 yards passing. 2nd in the nation. Martinez is 91st in the nation with 528 yards. Helluva a stat you plucked there. What does it prove exactly? We are efficiently ineffective in the passing game?

 

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Are you kidding me? Do you even know what a passing efficiency rating is?

 

Yeah, Smith has thrown for more than double the yards Martinez has. He's also thrown more than double the attempts. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PASSING EFFICIENCY RATING.

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Armstrong played a great game against an overmatched opponent. It was about as good or even a little better as Martinez' first game against Western Kentucky. Both were Redshirt Freshmen, both played against very weak competition.

 

 

Martinez ran for a 46 yard TD the first time he ever carried the ball. Ended the day with 127 yards rushing (led the team) and two TDs. Went 9/15/0 passing with 136 yards and no TDs.

 

Armstrong ran for ran for 38 yards, and threw for 169 yards on 12/15 passing, and threw for a TD (I thought he threw two TDs? Stats say otherwise)

 

 

Both had good first games. Let's hope Armstrong continues developing and gets better every day (day by day!). I have a lot more confidence in our backup situation now than I did two weeks ago.

 

There becomes a point Knapp where your not talking about just a backup situation. I think it's already reached that point. You with your obvious man crush in Taylor probably don't feel that way. But I remind all of you here to not only consider what is "fair" to Taylor, but what is "fair" to this TEAM.

 

The players that give this Husker team the best chance to win should be on the field. Taylor's not the only senior trying to leave a legacy here.

 

I have no more of a, to use your words, "man crush" on Taylor Martinez than I do on Tommy Armstrong or Ron Kellogg three eyes.

 

I never understood why people pick certain players on the team to like more than others. They're all Huskers. If Tommy starts the rest of the year I'm gonna cheer for him exactly the same as I would for RKIII or Martinez.

 

 

To the point of the post you quoted, everyone and their brother were anointing Martinez the next Heisman contender after his first couple of games in 2010. He put up some pretty good numbers against relatively weak competition.

 

How'd that Heisman talk turn out for Taylor?

 

I don't think it should be too controversial to point out that Armstrong's great game came against a D1AA school. Not sure why you'd not like to hear that, especially after the last redshirt freshman we started didn't pan out as everyone hoped.

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and btw, for all the flack Taylor catches regarding his passing... He's currently 26th in the nation in pass efficiency - 2 spots ahead of Brett Smith.

Considering he's been basically restricted to throwing "high percentage" passes, I'm surprised he's not higher than 26th.

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What happens if when they have to face real competition, they are an abject failure?

 

That's not even a question to debate, since you have provided a scenario that leads to only the answer you want to hear.

 

Here, let me do that for YOU:

 

"What if we keep Martinez at starter, but he refuses to run and his passing mechanics regress to throwing off his back foot again while dropping his shoulder, and he starts locking onto receivers again while losing his cool in the pocket and refuses to pitch the ball to the I-back on options until they are pinned up against the sideline and he starts fumbling twice as much as he does now? Are you willing to keep Martinez as quarterback over the other two even if he singelhandedly loses EVERY game left in the season?

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What happens if when they have to face real competition, they are an abject failure?

 

That's not even a question to debate, since you have provided a scenario that leads to only the answer you want to hear.

 

Here, let me do that for YOU:

 

"What if we keep Martinez at starter, but he refuses to run and his passing mechanics regress to throwing off his back foot again while dropping his shoulder, and he starts locking onto receivers again while losing his cool in the pocket and refuses to pitch the ball to the I-back on options until they are pinned up against the sideline and he starts fumbling twice as much as he does now? Are you willing to keep Martinez as quarterback if he loses EVERY game left in the season?

Actually it seems like a lot of people would still prefer to keep Martinez in there. Bo included.

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and btw, for all the flack Taylor catches regarding his passing... He's currently 26th in the nation in pass efficiency - 2 spots ahead of Brett Smith.

Considering he's been basically restricted to throwing "high percentage" passes, I'm surprised he's not higher than 26th.

 

Except for the 15 completions of 15 or more yards out of his total of 53 completions on the year, I totally buy that.

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and btw, for all the flack Taylor catches regarding his passing... He's currently 26th in the nation in pass efficiency - 2 spots ahead of Brett Smith.

Considering he's been basically restricted to throwing "high percentage" passes, I'm surprised he's not higher than 26th.

 

Except for the 15 completions of 15 or more yards out of his total of 53 completions on the year, I totally buy that.

Exactly, he's only thrown the ball down field a few times a game.

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and btw, for all the flack Taylor catches regarding his passing... He's currently 26th in the nation in pass efficiency - 2 spots ahead of Brett Smith.

Considering he's been basically restricted to throwing "high percentage" passes, I'm surprised he's not higher than 26th.

 

Except for the 15 completions of 15 or more yards out of his total of 53 completions on the year, I totally buy that.

This does a nice job of breaking down what passes have really been completed vs the 1-4 yard pass that the WR turns into a 20 yard play:

http://www.footballs...in-matt-barkley

 

When you look into the details here, you can see that Martinez is nearly a complete fail on passes that are thrown 15-19 yards, the completion rate is just 10% and from 20-24 yards it is 16.7%

 

Those numbers are really bad by any legitimate standard

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and btw, for all the flack Taylor catches regarding his passing... He's currently 26th in the nation in pass efficiency - 2 spots ahead of Brett Smith.

Considering he's been basically restricted to throwing "high percentage" passes, I'm surprised he's not higher than 26th.

 

Except for the 15 completions of 15 or more yards out of his total of 53 completions on the year, I totally buy that.

This does a nice job of breaking down what passes have really been completed vs the 1-4 yard pass that the WR turns into a 20 yard play:

http://www.footballs...in-matt-barkley

 

When you look into the details here, you can see that Martinez is nearly a complete fail on passes that are thrown 15-19 yards, the completion rate is just 10% and from 20-24 yards it is 16.7%

 

Those numbers are really bad by any legitimate standard

 

But.... according to their numbers, Taylor's "adjusted completion percentage" for last year (the year this measures) was 65.1%. That's actually better than his real completion percentage of 61.9%.

 

So he's terrible at 15-19 yard passes in 2012. I'd say we shouldn't have him throw those passes in 2012. Sounds like a good plan.

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and btw, for all the flack Taylor catches regarding his passing... He's currently 26th in the nation in pass efficiency - 2 spots ahead of Brett Smith.

Considering he's been basically restricted to throwing "high percentage" passes, I'm surprised he's not higher than 26th.

 

Except for the 15 completions of 15 or more yards out of his total of 53 completions on the year, I totally buy that.

This does a nice job of breaking down what passes have really been completed vs the 1-4 yard pass that the WR turns into a 20 yard play:

http://www.footballs...in-matt-barkley

 

When you look into the details here, you can see that Martinez is nearly a complete fail on passes that are thrown 15-19 yards, the completion rate is just 10% and from 20-24 yards it is 16.7%

 

Those numbers are really bad by any legitimate standard

 

But.... according to their numbers, Taylor's "adjusted completion percentage" for last year (the year this measures) was 65.1%. That's actually better than his real completion percentage of 61.9%.

 

So he's terrible at 15-19 yard passes in 2012. I'd say we shouldn't have him throw those passes in 2012. Sounds like a good plan.

Actually Martinez is at the absolute bottom for ANY pass greater than 15 yards. The stats clearly show- he is at or near the absolute bottom when compared to other DI QBS for throwing ANY Pass greater than 15 yards.

If Im a defensive coordinator, that is the pass Im going to have him throw, the pass that he has a 10- 16.7% chance of completing

 

Out of 43 QBs rated, he was 43rd ranked at passes of 15-19 yards and 41st out of 43 at passes of 20+ yards, not so good. He didnt complete any throws past 24 yards. So for 15 yards plus Martinez has a 1 in 6 to 1 in 10 chance at a completion, those numbers are very revealing IMO. I dont like our chances when teams scheme to take away the short dink and dunk stuff. OR they just allow that stuff and play for the inevitable mistake. Most teams cant consistently dink and dunk down the field without a turnover, sack or big penalty to take them out of a drive, sound familiar? If you dink and dunk you better be about perfect, throw the ball away, not take negative yardage plays, which NU/Matrinez doesnt do very well at all.

 

DCs are much smarter than me, Im sure they have that one pegged

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