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Do We Have the Talent We Need?


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44 minutes ago, Packerhuskerfan said:

I think most Nebraska fans would be content with Pat's records rights now.  9-4 in year 3, 5 bowl games in a row, then 4 in a row.

That's not true.  A good percentage of our fan base will not be happy unless we are regularly competing for championships.  I personally like that about us.  

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1 hour ago, Packerhuskerfan said:

I think most Nebraska fans would be content with Pat's records rights now.  9-4 in year 3, 5 bowl games in a row, then 4 in a row.

 

Why would you feel like that when "most Nebraska fans," clearly weren't satisfied with these???? Heck- Riley made two bowl games in 3 years and went 9-4 in year 2! 

 

Frank Solich 9–4 5–3 2nd Lost Holiday Bowl (Arizona) 23–20 19 20
1999 12–1 7–1 1st Won Fiesta Bowl (Tennessee) 31–21 3 2
2000 10–2 6–2 T–1st[A 5] Won Alamo Bowl (Northwestern) 66–17 8 7
2001 11–2 7–1 T–1st[A 6] Lost Rose Bowl (Miami) 37–14 8 7
2002 7–7 3–5 4th Lost Independence Bowl (Ole Miss) 27–23    
2003 10–3 5–3 2nd Won Alamo Bowl (Michigan State) 17–3[A 7] 19 18

 

2004 Bill Callahan 5–6 3–5 T–3rd      
2005 8–4 4–4 T–2nd Won Alamo Bowl (Michigan) 32–28 24 24
2006 9–5 6–2 1st Lost Cotton Bowl Classic (Auburn) 17–14    
2007 5–7 2–6 T–5th  

 

 

2008 Bo Pelini 9–4 5–3 T–1st[A 8] Won Gator Bowl (Clemson) 26–21    
2009 10–4 6–2 1st Won Holiday Bowl (Arizona) 33–0 14 14
2010 10–4 6–2 T–1st Lost Holiday Bowl (Washington) 19–7 20 19
Big Ten Conference (Legends Division) (2011–2013)
2011 Bo Pelini 9–4 5–3 3rd Lost Capital One Bowl (South Carolina) 30–13 24 24
2012 10–4 7–1 1st Lost Capital One Bowl (Georgia) 45–31 25 23
2013 9–4 5–3 T–2nd Won Gator Bowl (Georgia) 24–19   25

 

2015 Mike Riley 6–7 3–5 4th Won Foster Farms Bowl (UCLA) 37–29    
2016 9–4 6–3 T–2nd Lost Music City Bowl (Tennessee) 38–24    
2017 4–8 3–6 5th
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Raw talent...yes.  Developed talent...no.

 

That falls on the coaching staff.  Iowa State starts one senior on offense.  They have an OL that features two red shirt freshmen.  Would you pick the Iowa State offense over the Nebraska offense?  They started slow, what with lack of practices, but over the season, they have corrected mistakes and are now playing at their peak.

 

Nebraska, at least on the offense, is still committing the same dumb mistakes they made at the start of the season.  That's all on coaching.  Player development is sorely lacking.

 

you have the talent but lack the leadership.

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6 hours ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Why would you feel like that when "most Nebraska fans," clearly weren't satisfied with these???? Heck- Riley made two bowl games in 3 years and went 9-4 in year 2! 

 

Frank Solich 9–4 5–3 2nd Lost Holiday Bowl (Arizona) 23–20 19 20
1999 12–1 7–1 1st Won Fiesta Bowl (Tennessee) 31–21 3 2
2000 10–2 6–2 T–1st[A 5] Won Alamo Bowl (Northwestern) 66–17 8 7
2001 11–2 7–1 T–1st[A 6] Lost Rose Bowl (Miami) 37–14 8 7
2002 7–7 3–5 4th Lost Independence Bowl (Ole Miss) 27–23    
2003 10–3 5–3 2nd Won Alamo Bowl (Michigan State) 17–3[A 7] 19 18

 

2004 Bill Callahan 5–6 3–5 T–3rd      
2005 8–4 4–4 T–2nd Won Alamo Bowl (Michigan) 32–28 24 24
2006 9–5 6–2 1st Lost Cotton Bowl Classic (Auburn) 17–14    
2007 5–7 2–6 T–5th  

 

 

2008 Bo Pelini 9–4 5–3 T–1st[A 8] Won Gator Bowl (Clemson) 26–21    
2009 10–4 6–2 1st Won Holiday Bowl (Arizona) 33–0 14 14
2010 10–4 6–2 T–1st Lost Holiday Bowl (Washington) 19–7 20 19
Big Ten Conference (Legends Division) (2011–2013)
2011 Bo Pelini 9–4 5–3 3rd Lost Capital One Bowl (South Carolina) 30–13 24 24
2012 10–4 7–1 1st Lost Capital One Bowl (Georgia) 45–31 25 23
2013 9–4 5–3 T–2nd Won Gator Bowl (Georgia) 24–19   25

 

2015 Mike Riley 6–7 3–5 4th Won Foster Farms Bowl (UCLA) 37–29    
2016 9–4 6–3 T–2nd Lost Music City Bowl (Tennessee) 38–24    
2017 4–8 3–6 5th

 

 

Because double standards.

 

The question isn't whether or not the majority of Husker fans would be satisfied if Frost had the same success as Fitzgerald.   The question would be how many statues would we erect?

 

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So Frost is definitely spot on with regards to playing musical chairs at running back. We really don't have that 'feature back' kind of guy there that can really make plays completely on his own without big rushing lanes. We had that guy, and then he got kicked off the team.

 

The biggest problem is not talent. At least not in the most commonly used definition of "talent." The biggest problem absolutely boils down to turnovers, stupid penalties, and bad special teams.

 

Iowa and Northwestern have equal or lesser talent on their roster, top to bottom. But look at their W/L record this season. Both of those teams are well-coached, play solid fundamentals, and generally don't make stupid mistakes.

 

We are going to continue to get embarrassed in this league if we don't become well-disciplined like those two teams.

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On 12/14/2020 at 1:30 PM, Hilltop said:

Did you even read what Mav posted above?  Many of the players you saw on the field Saturday weren't even here to be developed during years 1 and 2.  Coaching does need to improve but I'm not sure many coaches would have done better IF they were truly focused on changing the entire culture of the program.  

I read what he wrote but I'm not buying it. It's just more excuses.

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5 minutes ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

I read what he wrote but I'm not buying it. It's just more excuses.

 

I mean you can call it an excuse or whatever you want, but you can't really "not buy" that guys like Benhart, Piper, Betts, Scott, etc haven't had 3 years of development under Frost. You can blame him for not holding onto Riley guys and players in their first recruiting class, but it's a hard sell to look at guys who've been here 1 or 2 years and ask why they aren't showing 3 years of development.

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5 minutes ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

I read what he wrote but I'm not buying it. It's just more excuses.

Your not buying that we had blown recruiting classes?  Or that the majority of our talent is young/inexperienced?  Or are you just of the opinion we should just be winning because we are Nebraska, and the 4-5 years leading up to Frost don't mean anything? 

 

In my opinion there is a blend of reasons and excuses.  The coaches don't get a free pass on everything but they certainly have plenty of reasons why this team is where it's at. 

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6 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

Your not buying that we had blown recruiting classes?  Or that the majority of our talent is young/inexperienced?  Or are you just of the opinion we should just be winning because we are Nebraska, and the 4-5 years leading up to Frost don't mean anything? 

 

In my opinion there is a blend of reasons and excuses.  The coaches don't get a free pass on everything but they certainly have plenty of reasons why this team is where it's at. 

Frost has 3 classes of recruits on this team. His recruits. And we're playing worse than we did under Mike Riley.

 

Other coaches can take underclassmen and have them ready to play, so why can't Frost? He's had 3 years to get his first class ready, 2 years to get the second one ready and yet we keep using the same tired excuses that these players need time to develop. We're running out of time with his first class because they've already used up over half their eligibility. How much longer do we need to wait? How many more times do we need to listen to excuses for why we are still the doormat of the Big 10? When do we actually get to start seeing progress in the W/L column instead of counting our moral victories?

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12 minutes ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

Frost has 3 classes of recruits on this team. His recruits. And we're playing worse than we did under Mike Riley.

 

Other coaches can take underclassmen and have them ready to play, so why can't Frost? He's had 3 years to get his first class ready, 2 years to get the second one ready and yet we keep using the same tired excuses that these players need time to develop. We're running out of time with his first class because they've already used up over half their eligibility. How much longer do we need to wait? How many more times do we need to listen to excuses for why we are still the doormat of the Big 10? When do we actually get to start seeing progress in the W/L column instead of counting our moral victories?

 

Hey I got an idea. Let's you and I both go in for a heart surgery. The crew working on you, is learning on the job they've been there a mix of 1-3 years. The crew working on me has been there mostly 5 years, with a standout or two that has been there 3 or 4 years.

 

Which one of us is more likely to survive?

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3 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Hey I got an idea. Let's you and I both go in for a heart surgery. The crew working on you, is learning on the job they've been there a mix of 1-3 years. The crew working on me has been there mostly 5 years, with a standout or two that has been there 3 or 4 years.

 

Which one of us is more likely to survive?

Perfect lol.  I deleted the response I was typing.

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23 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Hey I got an idea. Let's you and I both go in for a heart surgery. The crew working on you, is learning on the job they've been there a mix of 1-3 years. The crew working on me has been there mostly 5 years, with a standout or two that has been there 3 or 4 years.

 

Which one of us is more likely to survive?

Great analogy. 

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20 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Hey I got an idea. Let's you and I both go in for a heart surgery. The crew working on you, is learning on the job they've been there a mix of 1-3 years. The crew working on me has been there mostly 5 years, with a standout or two that has been there 3 or 4 years.

 

Which one of us is more likely to survive?

Or, we could both go in for heart surgery and I could have the crew with 1-3 years experience which has a 95% positive outcome rate and you could have the crew with 5 years experience and a 60% positive outcome rate. My crew was better trained in its 1-3 years than yours was in 5 years. Who is more likely to survive?

 

Your argument totally ignores the fact that many coaches have gone into "dumpster fire" situations and turned the program around in the first 3 years.

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3 minutes ago, luvthecorn said:

Or, we could both go in for heart surgery and I could have the crew with 1-3 years experience which has a 95% positive outcome rate and you could have the crew with 5 years experience and a 60% positive outcome rate. My crew was better trained in its 1-3 years than yours was in 5 years. Who is more likely to survive?

 

Your argument totally ignores the fact that many coaches have gone into "dumpster fire" situations and turned the program around in the first 3 years.

 

This is what I'm thinking as well.  Now, let's tie this back to football.  How many coaches have started out at their respective schools with three losing seasons in a row that now are seeing sustained success?  

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