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suh_fan93
Heisman Trophy Winner
Thorson's numbers are a lot better than Trevor Siemian's that's for sure. Siemian might be one of the worst college quarterbacks to actually be starting for an NFL team so compared to him Thorson is a great quarterback considering how average Siemian was.
Anytime you can throw the ball 478 times (for 3100 yards) and only throw 9 picks when your offensive line averaged giving up 3 sacks a game like Northwestern's did last year means you're probably a pretty good QB imo.
Anytime you can throw the ball 478 times (for 3100 yards) and only throw 9 picks when your offensive line averaged giving up 3 sacks a game like Northwestern's did last year means you're probably a pretty good QB imo.
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StPaulHusker
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Thorson ran for 98 yards on 97 carries. You don't think that affects the stat line you are touting just a bit?
DrunkOffPunch
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I disagree. There have plenty of times over the past several years where teams would stack the box when we had Abdullah and focus the run because they didn't respect our passing game. Heck look at last year when we were playing tOSU and they were leaving their CBs on an island. A better pass or a WR catching some of those 50/50 balls makes a big difference IMO. Now if you're saying you still need a competent run scheme to compliment the pass game and you don't think Langs can deliver, then I'm with ya.
BIG ERN
All-American
Nebraska lost zero players from the offensive line (Utter not good) and gained a fully healthy Jerald Foster. I was against Newby all last season and don't see him as a loss either. We lost our top 5/7 pass catchers from last season. Westerkamp, Reilly, and Carter were proven good players at the college level. Lee will be a good QB, but people are drinking that kool-aid really hard. If Stanley Morgan would go down, we are very thin at WR. DPE also has shown it's hard for him to stay healthy.
I think Lee has a good year, but how do you not see our run game not getting better?
I think Lee has a good year, but how do you not see our run game not getting better?
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alwayshusking
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I would be disappointed if that was Lee's stat line this year.
Thorson is an ordinary QB, he's getting unwarranted hype much like Leidner got last year.
Thorson is an ordinary QB, he's getting unwarranted hype much like Leidner got last year.
ColoradoHusk
Heisman Trophy Winner
I don't disagree that a bad pass game can enable the defense to stack the box and stop the run.
My comments have more to do with what you are saying in your last sentence. The run game needs to able to compliment the pass game and run the ball against 5 or 6 defenders. If it can't that leave plenty of guys in coverage and that will make passing the ball more difficult. It's almost like Bo's best defenses. Those D's were able to stop the run with 4 or 5 guys, and he was able to sit back with 6 or 7 guys in coverage. No matter how great the QB's or WR's are, the passing game is going to struggle against that type of coverage.
ColoradoHusk
Heisman Trophy Winner
Because Armstrong was the best running threat last year, and I don't think Langsdorf is great at with running plays. I agree that the line should be better (if not, Cav is in deep trouble), but the defense can play NU's offense straight up, without having to worry too much about the QB running the ball.
Lee may be able to take off and run for 4 or 5 yard gains on QB keeps, but the defense will let him have those, especially if that means they can hit him at the end of the play.
Because the design of our running game - at least what we've seen in the past two years - does not lend itself to much success. Literally 60% of our RB runs are called between the guards. Another 20% inside the tackles. There simply is not much running room there no matter how good your OL is. We made Northwestern's DT look like an All-American two years ago because we just kept running right at him.
And that is combined with Langs' impatience with the running game. A two-yard gain seems like a loss to him. Literally. Now that he has a QB who can actually throw the ball, I don't see him having much reason to keep trying to run.
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StPaulHusker
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But you are talking "rushing stats" as a whole. Take out the QB rushing and Nebraska falls to 129 yards a game. NW is still at 158.
Now tell me that a rushing attack that nets you 129 a game is fine if the QB goes 22-9-58%.
This is the only point I'm making. Lee having that stat line without better RB play is not good for the Huskers
Yes, that's exactly what I've been saying. I said that in the post you quoted. And I said that in my first post in this thread.
ColoradoHusk
Heisman Trophy Winner
While I enjoy a good/great running game in college, I wonder if NU would be better going full Purdue (under Tiller) and go full spread, 4-5 WR's and try to throw the ball all over the place. I just don't think a "balanced" offense works great, unless you have amazing o-lines or if you have a mobile QB where you can go full RPO's nearly every play.
StPaulHusker
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Well that's what I've been saying! All I said was that if we don't have better RB play, Lee having that stat line for the season is not good.
ColoradoHusk
Heisman Trophy Winner
And if NU finishes 7-6 like Northwestern did last year, that won't be a good season.