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Wow, Tuesday guys....
hasn't this ran its course by now?
dedhoarse
hasn't this ran its course by now?
dedhoarse
Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.ticks said:A short story...
I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
Big difference between the two, one is a high school kid during an exhibition game. That is inexcusable, that coach should never be in charge of young people ever again. High school students are supposed to be built up and supported by their coaches. They are supposed to trust their coaches and believe they have their best interest at heart. This coach is a real piece of shitt.Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.ticks said:A short story...
I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
I've not bothered to read the entire 3 pages, but I noticed this post and wondered. Are you talking about the TD or the long pass to set up the TD?Cy the Cyclone said:Watch the actual game film and not just the angles and coverage you get from the ESPN highlites. Then, you might notice not only West leaving his man for O'Hanlon to cover but also the CB getting beat on the other side on a nice post route while the weak side safety backpedals to...somewhere totally out of the play. So...which of the two guys does O'Hanlon cover? Leaving a guy naked out there and then riding him for a blown coverage is real bad form. Want to ride somebody? Start with the CB's. From what I can see, neither one provided consistent lock-down defense on the VT receivers.
Gotta be the long pass. Amukamara was on the WR who caught the TD, and it was decent coverage, too. Just a good play by the QB and WR. :hmmphI've not bothered to read the entire 3 pages, but I noticed this post and wondered. Are you talking about the TD or the long pass to set up the TD?Cy the Cyclone said:Watch the actual game film and not just the angles and coverage you get from the ESPN highlites. Then, you might notice not only West leaving his man for O'Hanlon to cover but also the CB getting beat on the other side on a nice post route while the weak side safety backpedals to...somewhere totally out of the play. So...which of the two guys does O'Hanlon cover? Leaving a guy naked out there and then riding him for a blown coverage is real bad form. Want to ride somebody? Start with the CB's. From what I can see, neither one provided consistent lock-down defense on the VT receivers.
I am rather surprised that this seems odd to anyone. Did any of you play football? It's an honest question and nothing more. From my personal experience, being a di**head was a prerequisite to being a football coach.Big difference between the two, one is a high school kid during an exhibition game. That is inexcusable, that coach should never be in charge of young people ever again. High school students are supposed to be built up and supported by their coaches. They are supposed to trust their coaches and believe they have their best interest at heart. This coach is a real piece of shitt.Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.ticks said:A short story...
I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
The other is a college player getting a free education, but still a kid. I guarantee you the coaches didn't treat him this same way. Sanders even took the blame for it publicly.
NFL player, fine. College, maybe. High School, unacceptable.
Gotta be the long pass. Amukamara was on the WR who caught the TD, and it was decent coverage, too. Just a good play by the QB and WR. :hmmphI've not bothered to read the entire 3 pages, but I noticed this post and wondered. Are you talking about the TD or the long pass to set up the TD?Cy the Cyclone said:Watch the actual game film and not just the angles and coverage you get from the ESPN highlites. Then, you might notice not only West leaving his man for O'Hanlon to cover but also the CB getting beat on the other side on a nice post route while the weak side safety backpedals to...somewhere totally out of the play. So...which of the two guys does O'Hanlon cover? Leaving a guy naked out there and then riding him for a blown coverage is real bad form. Want to ride somebody? Start with the CB's. From what I can see, neither one provided consistent lock-down defense on the VT receivers.
This type of stuff was the norm when I played ball only 10 years ago. F*&k, now I feel old for some reason? :lol:I am rather surprised that this seems odd to anyone. Did any of you play football? It's an honest question and nothing more. From my personal experience, being a di**head was a prerequisite to being a football coach.Big difference between the two, one is a high school kid during an exhibition game. That is inexcusable, that coach should never be in charge of young people ever again. High school students are supposed to be built up and supported by their coaches. They are supposed to trust their coaches and believe they have their best interest at heart. This coach is a real piece of shitt.Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.ticks said:A short story...
I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
The other is a college player getting a free education, but still a kid. I guarantee you the coaches didn't treat him this same way. Sanders even took the blame for it publicly.
NFL player, fine. College, maybe. High School, unacceptable.
Verbal attacks were the least of my concern. We were doing a one-on-one tackling/hitting drill on one occasion between the running backs and the secondary. The running backs were getting the better of us and this same coach (Mike Davis) got upset and started grabbing us by the back of the shoulder pads and pants and throwing us at the ball carriers (he was a really big guy). He later became the head coach at another high school (Bayside HS in Palm Bay, Florida) and was there for five years. He was my secondary coach when I attended Palm Bay HS.
Cheap shots, dirty hits, and late hits were the culture at practice. The upperclassmen took it out on the underclassmen (we ran varsity against JV during practice) and the coaches just turned a blind eye. You didn't complain. You just took it and continued on. The AD/head coach at Bayside HS now (Derek Smith) was a senior starting varsity center during my sophomore year at PBHS and he was one of our dirtiest players. He blindsided me with late hits until I learned that the whistle meant nothing during practice.
None of my coaches were nice guys, but getting yelled at by them was the very least of my worries.
Yes, as most of us grew up in the state of Nebraska I would say almost all of us played at least High School football. Sorry, pal, this isn't normal behavior from a HS coach. As a coach myself and someone that is in charge of young people all day long I will tell you this guy is a worthless human being. You can yell, but it is a team game so pointing it all on one player does wonders for your unity as a team :thumbs . You also have to know who can handle the yelling and who can't. Square peg, round hole idea.I am rather surprised that this seems odd to anyone. Did any of you play football? It's an honest question and nothing more. From my personal experience, being a di**head was a prerequisite to being a football coach.Big difference between the two, one is a high school kid during an exhibition game. That is inexcusable, that coach should never be in charge of young people ever again. High school students are supposed to be built up and supported by their coaches. They are supposed to trust their coaches and believe they have their best interest at heart. This coach is a real piece of shitt.Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.ticks said:A short story...
I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
The other is a college player getting a free education, but still a kid. I guarantee you the coaches didn't treat him this same way. Sanders even took the blame for it publicly.
NFL player, fine. College, maybe. High School, unacceptable.
Verbal attacks were the least of my concern. We were doing a one-on-one tackling/hitting drill on one occasion between the running backs and the secondary. The running backs were getting the better of us and this same coach (Mike Davis) got upset and started grabbing us by the back of the shoulder pads and pants and throwing us at the ball carriers (he was a really big guy). He later became the head coach at another high school (Bayside HS in Palm Bay, Florida) and was there for five years. He was my secondary coach when I attended Palm Bay HS.
Cheap shots, dirty hits, and late hits were the culture at practice. The upperclassmen took it out on the underclassmen (we ran varsity against JV during practice) and the coaches just turned a blind eye. You didn't complain. You just took it and continued on. The AD/head coach at Bayside HS now (Derek Smith) was a senior starting varsity center during my sophomore year at PBHS and he was one of our dirtiest players. He blindsided me with late hits until I learned that the whistle meant nothing during practice.
None of my coaches were nice guys, but getting yelled at by them was the very least of my worries.
double trouble post...I am rather surprised that this seems odd to anyone. Did any of you play football? It's an honest question and nothing more. From my personal experience, being a di**head was a prerequisite to being a football coach.Big difference between the two, one is a high school kid during an exhibition game. That is inexcusable, that coach should never be in charge of young people ever again. High school students are supposed to be built up and supported by their coaches. They are supposed to trust their coaches and believe they have their best interest at heart. This coach is a real piece of shitt.Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.ticks said:A short story...
I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
The other is a college player getting a free education, but still a kid. I guarantee you the coaches didn't treat him this same way. Sanders even took the blame for it publicly.
NFL player, fine. College, maybe. High School, unacceptable.
Verbal attacks were the least of my concern. We were doing a one-on-one tackling/hitting drill on one occasion between the running backs and the secondary. The running backs were getting the better of us and this same coach (Mike Davis) got upset and started grabbing us by the back of the shoulder pads and pants and throwing us at the ball carriers (he was a really big guy). He later became the head coach at another high school (Bayside HS in Palm Bay, Florida) and was there for five years. He was my secondary coach when I attended Palm Bay HS.
Cheap shots, dirty hits, and late hits were the culture at practice. The upperclassmen took it out on the underclassmen (we ran varsity against JV during practice) and the coaches just turned a blind eye. You didn't complain. You just took it and continued on. The AD/head coach at Bayside HS now (Derek Smith) was a senior starting varsity center during my sophomore year at PBHS and he was one of our dirtiest players. He blindsided me with late hits until I learned that the whistle meant nothing during practice.
None of my coaches were nice guys, but getting yelled at by them was the very least of my worries.
I am an accredited coach (in another sport) and I've seen my share of verbal (and other) abuse. For some reason it seems to be socially acceptable for coaches to abuse kids, although I think that attitude is changing. I am not naive to the fact that some football coaches (and coaches in other sports) treat kids this way. But it's wrong.I am rather surprised that this seems odd to anyone. Did any of you play football? It's an honest question and nothing more. From my personal experience, being a di**head was a prerequisite to being a football coach.Big difference between the two, one is a high school kid during an exhibition game. That is inexcusable, that coach should never be in charge of young people ever again. High school students are supposed to be built up and supported by their coaches. They are supposed to trust their coaches and believe they have their best interest at heart. This coach is a real piece of shitt.Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.ticks said:A short story...
I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
The other is a college player getting a free education, but still a kid. I guarantee you the coaches didn't treat him this same way. Sanders even took the blame for it publicly.
NFL player, fine. College, maybe. High School, unacceptable.
Verbal attacks were the least of my concern. We were doing a one-on-one tackling/hitting drill on one occasion between the running backs and the secondary. The running backs were getting the better of us and this same coach (Mike Davis) got upset and started grabbing us by the back of the shoulder pads and pants and throwing us at the ball carriers (he was a really big guy). He later became the head coach at another high school (Bayside HS in Palm Bay, Florida) and was there for five years. He was my secondary coach when I attended Palm Bay HS.
Cheap shots, dirty hits, and late hits were the culture at practice. The upperclassmen took it out on the underclassmen (we ran varsity against JV during practice) and the coaches just turned a blind eye. You didn't complain. You just took it and continued on. The AD/head coach at Bayside HS now (Derek Smith) was a senior starting varsity center during my sophomore year at PBHS and he was one of our dirtiest players. He blindsided me with late hits until I learned that the whistle meant nothing during practice.
None of my coaches were nice guys, but getting yelled at by them was the very least of my worries.
Fantastic :thumbsI am an accredited coach (in another sport) and I've seen my share of verbal (and other) abuse. For some reason it seems to be socially acceptable for coaches to abuse kids, although I think that attitude is changing. I am not naive to the fact that some football coaches (and coaches in other sports) treat kids this way. But it's wrong.I am rather surprised that this seems odd to anyone. Did any of you play football? It's an honest question and nothing more. From my personal experience, being a di**head was a prerequisite to being a football coach.Big difference between the two, one is a high school kid during an exhibition game. That is inexcusable, that coach should never be in charge of young people ever again. High school students are supposed to be built up and supported by their coaches. They are supposed to trust their coaches and believe they have their best interest at heart. This coach is a real piece of shitt.Well, while his words drove the kid to quit the kid is the one who made the ultimate decision. I can see what you're saying though.So this position coach basically drove a high school kid out of the sport because of one mistake made during an exhibition game? Sounds like a colossal di**head that shouldn't be coaching kids.ticks said:A short story...
I played high school football in Florida. During my junior year, we played a jamboree game (a half-game exhibition) to kick off the season against a team we were expected to trounce. We were up 14-0 with less than ten seconds left in the half. One of our safeties committed the same error that O'Hanlon made on Saturday. We won 14-7, but that was essentially a loss for us. Our position coach went nuts in the locker room. He did not single out the individual, but he blew a gasket while chewing out the entire team for that one play. That player did not show up for the next practice and quit the team without a word.
The other is a college player getting a free education, but still a kid. I guarantee you the coaches didn't treat him this same way. Sanders even took the blame for it publicly.
NFL player, fine. College, maybe. High School, unacceptable.
Verbal attacks were the least of my concern. We were doing a one-on-one tackling/hitting drill on one occasion between the running backs and the secondary. The running backs were getting the better of us and this same coach (Mike Davis) got upset and started grabbing us by the back of the shoulder pads and pants and throwing us at the ball carriers (he was a really big guy). He later became the head coach at another high school (Bayside HS in Palm Bay, Florida) and was there for five years. He was my secondary coach when I attended Palm Bay HS.
Cheap shots, dirty hits, and late hits were the culture at practice. The upperclassmen took it out on the underclassmen (we ran varsity against JV during practice) and the coaches just turned a blind eye. You didn't complain. You just took it and continued on. The AD/head coach at Bayside HS now (Derek Smith) was a senior starting varsity center during my sophomore year at PBHS and he was one of our dirtiest players. He blindsided me with late hits until I learned that the whistle meant nothing during practice.
None of my coaches were nice guys, but getting yelled at by them was the very least of my worries.
It should be completely unacceptable to abuse kids while teaching them sports. I've seen coaches exhibit behaviors that would get them arrested if they did it in some other context other than under the guise of "coaching". And believe me, football doesn't have a monopoly on abusive coaches. You see it in all sports. My oldest daughter was a gymnast and we experienced it there. Some coaches are abusive because they had coaches that were abusive so they think that's how it's done. Other coaches use the cloak of "coaching" as a way to manifest their abusive personalities. It's BS.
I'm not talking about pushing kids hard or yelling at kids; sometimes that is the only way to get through to them. But you can't let it cross over the line to abuse. There are plenty of damn fine football coaches that don't cross over the line. Kids can and will make mistakes. A good coach uses mistakes as a teaching opportunity. We are teachers first. You don't learn math, spelling or history under the threat of verbal or physical abuse. And you shouldn't have to learn sports under that threat, either. People that don't understand that have no business teaching kids.
"A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment." - John Wooden
Bo hinted during his Tuesday Post- practice press conference that the big pass play was just not O'Hanlon's fault, but other breakdowns in the coverage as well.
In anycase he also mentioned that Thenarse and P.J. Smith would be seeing more playing time.
Bo did however mentioned that it was O'Hanlon who saved the Gator Bowl game by breaking up that pass.