A Warming Seat For Bo Pelini?

[bshirt]

I'm pretty sure we all remember the ridiculousness that ensued after a firing for the exact same reason. Personally, I'd rather go the next 30 years winning 9 games every year, than to have another $#!tstorm like the Calliban.

as you mentioned, the firing wasn't the problem - it was the hiring that followed. not in any way supporting Pelini's firing - but I hate how people all assume that the next coach would just be another Callahan and we'd be guaranteeing ourselves 5 wins seasons. If that's the case then you'd wouldn't get rid of him if he was winning 7 or 8 games a year either.

Actually the firing was very much a part of the problem. It's what made any reasonable head coach look elsewhere...

Exactly.

U. Meyer laughed at NU for being so outrageously stupid. No decent coach was going to come within 100 miles of Lincoln which is why Pedeyshine was getting turned down everywhere and out of desperation finally hired the just fired NFL coach (Callahan).

 

[kchusker_chris]

I'm pretty sure we all remember the ridiculousness that ensued after a firing for the exact same reason. Personally, I'd rather go the next 30 years winning 9 games every year, than to have another $#!tstorm like the Calliban.

as you mentioned, the firing wasn't the problem - it was the hiring that followed. not in any way supporting Pelini's firing - but I hate how people all assume that the next coach would just be another Callahan and we'd be guaranteeing ourselves 5 wins seasons. If that's the case then you'd wouldn't get rid of him if he was winning 7 or 8 games a year either.

Actually the firing was very much a part of the problem. It's what made any reasonable head coach look elsewhere...

Exactly.

U. Meyer laughed at NU for being so outrageously stupid. No decent coach was going to come within 100 miles of Lincoln which is why Pedeyshine was getting turned down everywhere and out of desperation finally hired the just fired NFL coach (Callahan).

It didn't make the coach we have right now look elsewhere. Does anyone really think we would have gotten urban meyer? No coach at that level is coming to Nebraska EVER! TO didn't exactly have a lot of luck working off his short list either - he was turned down multiple times as well. Nebraska needs to land a coach that has potential to grow in the job - which we've done. But thinking the firing caused every A-list coach to run for the hills is much too simplistic...they were already jogging away to start. Nebraska is not top 10-20 destination anymore, hate to say it. 4th or 5th in our own conference.

 

[Saunders]

I'm pretty sure we all remember the ridiculousness that ensued after a firing for the exact same reason. Personally, I'd rather go the next 30 years winning 9 games every year, than to have another $#!tstorm like the Calliban.

as you mentioned, the firing wasn't the problem - it was the hiring that followed. not in any way supporting Pelini's firing - but I hate how people all assume that the next coach would just be another Callahan and we'd be guaranteeing ourselves 5 wins seasons. If that's the case then you'd wouldn't get rid of him if he was winning 7 or 8 games a year either.

Actually the firing was very much a part of the problem. It's what made any reasonable head coach look elsewhere...

Exactly.

U. Meyer laughed at NU for being so outrageously stupid. No decent coach was going to come within 100 miles of Lincoln which is why Pedeyshine was getting turned down everywhere and out of desperation finally hired the just fired NFL coach (Callahan).

It didn't make the coach we have right now look elsewhere. Does anyone really think we would have gotten urban meyer? No coach at that level is coming to Nebraska EVER! TO didn't exactly have a lot of luck working off his short list either - he was turned down multiple times as well. Nebraska needs to land a coach that has potential to grow in the job - which we've done. But thinking the firing caused every A-list coach to run for the hills is much too simplistic...they were already jogging away to start. Nebraska is not top 10-20 destination anymore, hate to say it. 4th or 5th in our own conference.

UM was at Utah (pre-BCS buster), and Nebraska was 2 seasons removed from playing for the National title. Pretty sure that NU was a better job, except for the fact that the AD was a dumbass.

 

[Mike Mcdee]

I always thought there was a clause that Urban Meyer wouldn't sign on for about not taking a Notre Dame job if offered. That was the main reason why he turned us down. Maybe my facts are wrong, but I had heard that from someone who worked for SID office.

 

[Joe_5700]

I'm pretty sure we all remember the ridiculousness that ensued after a firing for the exact same reason. Personally, I'd rather go the next 30 years winning 9 games every year, than to have another $#!tstorm like the Calliban.

as you mentioned, the firing wasn't the problem - it was the hiring that followed. not in any way supporting Pelini's firing - but I hate how people all assume that the next coach would just be another Callahan and we'd be guaranteeing ourselves 5 wins seasons. If that's the case then you'd wouldn't get rid of him if he was winning 7 or 8 games a year either.

Maybe I am in the vast minority on this...but I had a huge problem with the firing...It was not Nebraska like in any way.

 

[kchusker_chris]

I'm pretty sure we all remember the ridiculousness that ensued after a firing for the exact same reason. Personally, I'd rather go the next 30 years winning 9 games every year, than to have another $#!tstorm like the Calliban.

as you mentioned, the firing wasn't the problem - it was the hiring that followed. not in any way supporting Pelini's firing - but I hate how people all assume that the next coach would just be another Callahan and we'd be guaranteeing ourselves 5 wins seasons. If that's the case then you'd wouldn't get rid of him if he was winning 7 or 8 games a year either.

Maybe I am in the vast minority on this...but I had a huge problem with the firing...It was not Nebraska like in any way.

you had a problem with it (and I certainly don't think you are in the vast minority - especially in retrospect) - but the firing didn't cause 4 crappy seasons...the hiring lost us all those games, not the firing.

 

[The Dude]

I'm pretty sure we all remember the ridiculousness that ensued after a firing for the exact same reason. Personally, I'd rather go the next 30 years winning 9 games every year, than to have another $#!tstorm like the Calliban.

as you mentioned, the firing wasn't the problem - it was the hiring that followed. not in any way supporting Pelini's firing - but I hate how people all assume that the next coach would just be another Callahan and we'd be guaranteeing ourselves 5 wins seasons. If that's the case then you'd wouldn't get rid of him if he was winning 7 or 8 games a year either.

Actually the firing was very much a part of the problem. It's what made any reasonable head coach look elsewhere...

Exactly.

U. Meyer laughed at NU for being so outrageously stupid. No decent coach was going to come within 100 miles of Lincoln which is why Pedeyshine was getting turned down everywhere and out of desperation finally hired the just fired NFL coach (Callahan).

It didn't make the coach we have right now look elsewhere. Does anyone really think we would have gotten urban meyer? No coach at that level is coming to Nebraska EVER! TO didn't exactly have a lot of luck working off his short list either - he was turned down multiple times as well. Nebraska needs to land a coach that has potential to grow in the job - which we've done. But thinking the firing caused every A-list coach to run for the hills is much too simplistic...they were already jogging away to start. Nebraska is not top 10-20 destination anymore, hate to say it. 4th or 5th in our own conference.

According to SI, Nebraska is still a top 15 coaching destination. They might not be exactly right, but I don't understand why you would think we're not even top 20. Explain.

 

[The Dude]

I'm pretty sure we all remember the ridiculousness that ensued after a firing for the exact same reason. Personally, I'd rather go the next 30 years winning 9 games every year, than to have another $#!tstorm like the Calliban.

as you mentioned, the firing wasn't the problem - it was the hiring that followed. not in any way supporting Pelini's firing - but I hate how people all assume that the next coach would just be another Callahan and we'd be guaranteeing ourselves 5 wins seasons. If that's the case then you'd wouldn't get rid of him if he was winning 7 or 8 games a year either.

Maybe I am in the vast minority on this...but I had a huge problem with the firing...It was not Nebraska like in any way.

you had a problem with it (and I certainly don't think you are in the vast minority - especially in retrospect) - but the firing didn't cause 4 crappy seasons...the hiring lost us all those games, not the firing.

One led directly to the other. No legit coach is taking a job where a 9 or 10 win season can get you fired.

 

[kchusker_chris]

UM was at Utah (pre-BCS buster), and Nebraska was 2 seasons removed from playing for the National title. Pretty sure that NU was a better job, except for the fact that the AD was a dumbass.

I agree NU was a better job than Utah, but Urban had a team that went on to an undefeated season, he was named coach of the year, and ended up at one of the top 5 jobs in the nation (where he quickly won 2 NCs). Granted, he couldn't have predicted all of that to happen - but I'm pretty sure he saw what he had at Utah, and calculated where he could end up after a good season. I just personally don't think we ever had a legitimate shot at him. Nebraska will never be a top destination for coaches because so much of the success in CFB today is determined by recruiting. We'd have to win big, and over a long period of time again to begin to crack the top 5-10 where we could land tomorrow "hottest" coaching candidate. Unfortunately, the margin for error is so thin at Nebraska. It takes a unique individual - which is why I don't see Bo going anyone because he fits that mold. (But I'm not going to be shocked if he ends up canned in a couple of years if he doesn't capitalize on the 2013 season with Martinez as a senior)

 

[kchusker_chris]

One led directly to the other. No legit coach is taking a job where a 9 or 10 win season can get you fired.

Yes an no. Would you rather take over 5-7 program that has been in this crapper for year, or a team 2 years removed from a national championship and just coming off a 10 win season. If you're talking about only job security, you might have a better chance of success at the 10 win program than the 5-7 program.

 

[The Dude]

One led directly to the other. No legit coach is taking a job where a 9 or 10 win season can get you fired.

Yes an no. Would you rather take over 5-7 program that has been in this crapper for year, or a team 2 years removed from a national championship and just coming off a 10 win season. If you're talking about only job security, you might have a better chance of success at the 10 win program than the 5-7 program.

Perhaps, but the expectations are much higher, and the job security is much lower. You have to take into account that the team 2 years removed from a title game and coming off a 10 win season just fired their coach. So it's stands to reason you'd be working for a f'ing moron.

 

[knapplc]

We've gone over this. Urban Meyer himself said he didn't take the Nebraska job in part because of the way they fired Frank. He said it during a broadcast of a game last year, or in some interview or something. There's a link floating around here that I'm too lazy to find right now.

 

[kchusker_chris]

According to SI, Nebraska is still a top 15 coaching destination. They might not be exactly right, but I don't understand why you would think we're not even top 20. Explain.

If i was a coach, going to a school - and wins dictates longevity (since that's kind of what we are talking about here in regards to the firing) - i'd want to be somewhere that gave me a solid chance to win 10 a year (nebraska fits in there definately, so do about 30 others). So recruiting, facilities, recent tradition, etc. Assuming each pay similarly - which all schools seem to come in at the 3 million mark for new coaches these days...I'd say these would be better destinations if I had to take the job tomorrow.

Big10: Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State - Wisconsin (currently, not historically)

SEC: Georgia, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Texas A&M - Arkansas (currently), Auburn (currently), Tennessee (recruiting, etc)

Pac12: Oregon, Stanford, USC

Big12: Oklahoma, Texas - Oklahoma State (currently)

Indy: Notre Dame

ACC: Miami, Florida State

There's 21 that I feel a coach would pick over Nebraska assuming equal salary across the board. Remember, these coaches all have egos - they likely don't care as much that Notre Dame has been down for a decade...they see a potential to win big there. A few of them are tossups, but it's close. I think a coach would pick Tennessee over Nebraska for the recruiting, same with Arkansas, and Auburn. Oklahoma State would be a tossup, but I could easily see a coach going there for the facilities, recent success and the fact that it is a program on the rise where Nebraska has been stagnant for some time.

15 years ago, you'd knock about 13-15 of these programs off the list immediately. I just don't see that as the case today. We're hovering right around 18-20, and not moving in the right direction.

 

[kchusker_chris]

We've gone over this. Urban Meyer himself said he didn't take the Nebraska job in part because of the way they fired Frank. He said it during a broadcast of a game last year, or in some interview or something. There's a link floating around here that I'm too lazy to find right now.

yeah, but that's an easy cop out thing to say. and it's definitely something a coach would say because they are loyal to their peers - and I'm sure many of them are tiring of the coaching carousel they go through each year. bottom line, he wasn't even legitimately considering the job in the first place - so he could have said he didn't like corn and it wouldn't have mattered one bit, he wasn't coming here for a multitude of other reasons. just like a recruit claiming it's too cold...well there are a bunch of other reasons that went into them not choosing nebraska...it's well beyond the cold.

 

[The Dude]

According to SI, Nebraska is still a top 15 coaching destination. They might not be exactly right, but I don't understand why you would think we're not even top 20. Explain.

If i was a coach, going to a school - and wins dictates longevity (since that's kind of what we are talking about here in regards to the firing) - i'd want to be somewhere that gave me a solid chance to win 10 a year (nebraska fits in there definately, so do about 30 others). So recruiting, facilities, recent tradition, etc. Assuming each pay similarly - which all schools seem to come in at the 3 million mark for new coaches these days...I'd say these would be better destinations if I had to take the job tomorrow.

Big10: Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State - Wisconsin (currently, not historically)

SEC: Georgia, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Texas A&M - Arkansas (currently), Auburn (currently), Tennessee (recruiting, etc)

Pac12: Oregon, Stanford, USC

Big12: Oklahoma, Texas - Oklahoma State (currently)

Indy: Notre Dame

ACC: Miami, Florida State

There's 21 that I feel a coach would pick over Nebraska assuming equal salary across the board. Remember, these coaches all have egos - they likely don't care as much that Notre Dame has been down for a decade...they see a potential to win big there. A few of them are tossups, but it's close. I think a coach would pick Tennessee over Nebraska for the recruiting, same with Arkansas, and Auburn. Oklahoma State would be a tossup, but I could easily see a coach going there for the facilities, recent success and the fact that it is a program on the rise where Nebraska has been stagnant for some time.

15 years ago, you'd knock about 13-15 of these programs off the list immediately. I just don't see that as the case today. We're hovering right around 18-20, and not moving in the right direction.

So we agree Nebraska is still a top 20 destination.