All time top NU QBs

[NebraskaHarry]

I would love to see what Martinez numbers might be if the Defense was a bit better, and if we were still lineman U. (I still have a Dave Remington autograph from when he came to my elementary school). He would have more wins and he may even have fewer turnovers as he would be trying to force things. Of course that said you can see it when he starts to lose his composure, it seems to start with some type of erratic pass or pitch when trying to force a play and next thing you know the interception or fumble follows. I did not look back at the numbers so please correct me (as I deserve) but did his fumble issue improve a bit as the season went on.

I completely agree. Martinez is faster than Tommie Frazier ever was and, if my memory serves me correct, is a statistically better thrower.

Frazier had a 48% completion percentage in 1995. Can you imagine the uproar if Taylor threw for that low of a percentage?

Biggest difference I see is that Tommie was a winner period. Yeah, he had some tools, but so did Turner. As did Vince Ferragamo and David Humm. We've had some studs at the QB position, and Taylor is nothing other than a great athlete playing qb. It's the age old question. Would you rather have Peyton, Marino, or Farve? Answer is easy, take the winner, Farve. Doesn't mean he's the best, just means he's is a winner. I've got great news for you boys, Tommy Armstrong is a winner, and he'll start more than one game in 13. You heard it here first. This kid is a winner and he'll take NU to the next level. Book it. GBR

I think you'd be surprised that the answer would vary quite a bit based on individual opinion.

 

[1HuskrFan]

I would love to see what Martinez numbers might be if the Defense was a bit better, and if we were still lineman U. (I still have a Dave Remington autograph from when he came to my elementary school). He would have more wins and he may even have fewer turnovers as he would be trying to force things. Of course that said you can see it when he starts to lose his composure, it seems to start with some type of erratic pass or pitch when trying to force a play and next thing you know the interception or fumble follows. I did not look back at the numbers so please correct me (as I deserve) but did his fumble issue improve a bit as the season went on.

I completely agree. Martinez is faster than Tommie Frazier ever was and, if my memory serves me correct, is a statistically better thrower.

Frazier had a 48% completion percentage in 1995. Can you imagine the uproar if Taylor threw for that low of a percentage?

It wasn't that big of the issue - we didn't pass that much then. It was just as likely to get a 60 yard run as a 60 yard pass completion.

Exactly.... I hope that wasn't your argument defending Frazier? Nebraska often used the passing game in those days as the element of surprise (run,run,run,run,run,run,run,PASS!), so that completion percentage should have been much higher.... Taylor is no Frazier overall, but he is a much better passer.... Taylor never has, and never will get the credit he deserves....

What credit do you want taylor to receive. Usually you do something great and you get the credit, the same applies when your gaff's cause momentum to shift and your team to lose the game. I know on more than one occasion, taylor was directly responsible for the defeat due to the turnover. I cannot remember tommie putting his team in that position.

 

[1HuskrFan]

Tommy Armstrong will not start a game for any reason other than injury to Taylor Martinez. I can see Tommy getting what many on here define as "significant snaps", but he will not overtake Martinez for the starting spot.

And you're basing this statement on what exactly? Tommy will start more than one game next yr because he'll earn it. The kid is a stud, can already pass better than Taylor, he's not as fast a runner, but he does have moves which taylor does not. Taylor runs like a track star, no forward lean and no lateral movement, and couldn't juke my sister. Taylor is a great athlete playing qb, while Tommy is going to be a great qb for us. I'm basing my opinion on players comments that are on the team and play with these guys everyday. Only time will tell of course, but let's face facts, Taylor is not a great qb and never will be. Eric took a team upon his back and got to the NC game before a defense could shut him down. Taylor gets shut down by every good team we play. I think back to all the great texass players that had great speed but really never amounted to anything. Taylor will be one of these types of players. I give credit where credit is due, and Taylor hasn't done anything to deserve to be mentioned in the same category as some of the Husker greats. I'm not referring to titles or conference championships. Taylor cannot take the team on his back and win a game. GBR

 

[1HuskrFan]

Completely off subject here, but was Zac Taylor the one on Sherman's staff who recruited Johnny Football?

Thought about this a while back. Manziel is listed on rivals as being recruited by a different TAMU coach, but I would have to think that Zac, as team QB's coach, still recruited him a little bit. Sherman's and ZT's last year on the staff was Johnny's first year in college and Johnny redshirted that year. Even though he was on scout team, ZT probably interacted and coached him up a tiny bit. Two completely different QB's, but it's still cool to think about nonetheless.

Semi-related note: I think Martinez should try the same QB guru that Manziel went to, George Whitfield. No knock on Steve Calhoun, but Johnny in his spring ball before he was a starter was as interception-prone and as bad of a passer as freshman & sophomore Martinez. Manziel went to Whitfield in the summer after that, and I watched Johnny from his first game and all of his subsequent nationally televised games and his improvement throughout the season was unbelievably fast. He was making throws against Alabama he wasn't making against Florida in their season opener. I have no qualms with Martinez as a passer this year, but his improvement seemed lesser than Johnny's, who is now a better passer than Taylor. If TM gave Whitfield a try he might be able to experience the same returns, but it's not absolutely necessary. Taylor can hang his hat on a job well-done this season.

sorry for the man-crush on Manziel. He is already my favorite non-Husker player in college football history.

You must be a young kid to have Manziel as your favorite player after just one yr. To compare him to some of the super stars that have come before him and played great for 3 to 4 yrs. this kid hasn't really done anything yet. No conference titles, NC or any type of hardware and you have him as the greatest in college football history. You sir have a very limited exposure to the real football. The kid had an amazing freshmen yr, won the heisman due to the fact wasn't any competition for the award this yr. You could say he won by default.We'll see what his encore is like in 13. My guess is he'll have his head handed to him. He won't sneak up on anyone next yr. TAMU gets lit up next yr, I see at least 4 losses, and a couple of close wins that could be losses.

 

[NebraskaHarry]

Tommy Armstrong will not start a game for any reason other than injury to Taylor Martinez. I can see Tommy getting what many on here define as "significant snaps", but he will not overtake Martinez for the starting spot.

And you're basing this statement on what exactly? Tommy will start more than one game next yr because he'll earn it. The kid is a stud, can already pass better than Taylor, he's not as fast a runner, but he does have moves which taylor does not. Taylor runs like a track star, no forward lean and no lateral movement, and couldn't juke my sister. Taylor is a great athlete playing qb, while Tommy is going to be a great qb for us. I'm basing my opinion on players comments that are on the team and play with these guys everyday. Only time will tell of course, but let's face facts, Taylor is not a great qb and never will be. Eric took a team upon his back and got to the NC game before a defense could shut him down. Taylor gets shut down by every good team we play. I think back to all the great texass players that had great speed but really never amounted to anything. Taylor will be one of these types of players. I give credit where credit is due, and Taylor hasn't done anything to deserve to be mentioned in the same category as some of the Husker greats. I'm not referring to titles or conference championships. Taylor cannot take the team on his back and win a game. GBR

1HuskrFan... Did you watch any games this year? Because there's no possible way you could have with that comment you just made right there.

 

[1HuskrFan]

I would love to see what Martinez numbers might be if the Defense was a bit better, and if we were still lineman U. (I still have a Dave Remington autograph from when he came to my elementary school). He would have more wins and he may even have fewer turnovers as he would be trying to force things. Of course that said you can see it when he starts to lose his composure, it seems to start with some type of erratic pass or pitch when trying to force a play and next thing you know the interception or fumble follows. I did not look back at the numbers so please correct me (as I deserve) but did his fumble issue improve a bit as the season went on.

I completely agree. Martinez is faster than Tommie Frazier ever was and, if my memory serves me correct, is a statistically better thrower.

Frazier had a 48% completion percentage in 1995. Can you imagine the uproar if Taylor threw for that low of a percentage?

Biggest difference I see is that Tommie was a winner period. Yeah, he had some tools, but so did Turner. As did Vince Ferragamo and David Humm. We've had some studs at the QB position, and Taylor is nothing other than a great athlete playing qb. It's the age old question. Would you rather have Peyton, Marino, or Farve? Answer is easy, take the winner, Farve. Doesn't mean he's the best, just means he's is a winner. I've got great news for you boys, Tommy Armstrong is a winner, and he'll start more than one game in 13. You heard it here first. This kid is a winner and he'll take NU to the next level. Book it. GBR

I think you'd be surprised that the answer would vary quite a bit based on individual opinion.

The individual opinion should be based on the facts, and to pick a qb that's a winner, should be paramount to picking a qb with great stats.

 

[NebraskaHarry]

Completely off subject here, but was Zac Taylor the one on Sherman's staff who recruited Johnny Football?

Thought about this a while back. Manziel is listed on rivals as being recruited by a different TAMU coach, but I would have to think that Zac, as team QB's coach, still recruited him a little bit. Sherman's and ZT's last year on the staff was Johnny's first year in college and Johnny redshirted that year. Even though he was on scout team, ZT probably interacted and coached him up a tiny bit. Two completely different QB's, but it's still cool to think about nonetheless.

Semi-related note: I think Martinez should try the same QB guru that Manziel went to, George Whitfield. No knock on Steve Calhoun, but Johnny in his spring ball before he was a starter was as interception-prone and as bad of a passer as freshman & sophomore Martinez. Manziel went to Whitfield in the summer after that, and I watched Johnny from his first game and all of his subsequent nationally televised games and his improvement throughout the season was unbelievably fast. He was making throws against Alabama he wasn't making against Florida in their season opener. I have no qualms with Martinez as a passer this year, but his improvement seemed lesser than Johnny's, who is now a better passer than Taylor. If TM gave Whitfield a try he might be able to experience the same returns, but it's not absolutely necessary. Taylor can hang his hat on a job well-done this season.

sorry for the man-crush on Manziel. He is already my favorite non-Husker player in college football history.

You must be a young kid to have Manziel as your favorite player after just one yr. To compare him to some of the super stars that have come before him and played great for 3 to 4 yrs. this kid hasn't really done anything yet. No conference titles, NC or any type of hardware and you have him as the greatest in college football history. You sir have a very limited exposure to the real football. The kid had an amazing freshmen yr, won the heisman due to the fact wasn't any competition for the award this yr. You could say he won by default.We'll see what his encore is like in 13. My guess is he'll have his head handed to him. He won't sneak up on anyone next yr. TAMU gets lit up next yr, I see at least 4 losses, and a couple of close wins that could be losses.

.... HAHA is anyone taking this guy seriously?

 

[1HuskrFan]

Tommy Armstrong will not start a game for any reason other than injury to Taylor Martinez. I can see Tommy getting what many on here define as "significant snaps", but he will not overtake Martinez for the starting spot.

And you're basing this statement on what exactly? Tommy will start more than one game next yr because he'll earn it. The kid is a stud, can already pass better than Taylor, he's not as fast a runner, but he does have moves which taylor does not. Taylor runs like a track star, no forward lean and no lateral movement, and couldn't juke my sister. Taylor is a great athlete playing qb, while Tommy is going to be a great qb for us. I'm basing my opinion on players comments that are on the team and play with these guys everyday. Only time will tell of course, but let's face facts, Taylor is not a great qb and never will be. Eric took a team upon his back and got to the NC game before a defense could shut him down. Taylor gets shut down by every good team we play. I think back to all the great texass players that had great speed but really never amounted to anything. Taylor will be one of these types of players. I give credit where credit is due, and Taylor hasn't done anything to deserve to be mentioned in the same category as some of the Husker greats. I'm not referring to titles or conference championships. Taylor cannot take the team on his back and win a game. GBR

1HuskrFan... Did you watch any games this year? Because there's no possible way you could have with that comment you just made right there.

I watched every game that was televised as I have for the past 50 yrs, Taylor runs like a track star, straight up, when he get tackled, he always goes up and backwards, that's why he fumbles so much. I would love to see him become a great qb, I just don't see the potential to do that.

 

[NebraskaHarry]

One minute you're talking about how Martinez loses us to many games because of turnovers... then you talk about Farve being the all time great when not considering the number of games he lost because of his own turnovers. Here's one. NFC conference championship against Saints when he was with Vikings.

 

[NebraskaHarry]

Tommy Armstrong will not start a game for any reason other than injury to Taylor Martinez. I can see Tommy getting what many on here define as "significant snaps", but he will not overtake Martinez for the starting spot.

And you're basing this statement on what exactly? Tommy will start more than one game next yr because he'll earn it. The kid is a stud, can already pass better than Taylor, he's not as fast a runner, but he does have moves which taylor does not. Taylor runs like a track star, no forward lean and no lateral movement, and couldn't juke my sister. Taylor is a great athlete playing qb, while Tommy is going to be a great qb for us. I'm basing my opinion on players comments that are on the team and play with these guys everyday. Only time will tell of course, but let's face facts, Taylor is not a great qb and never will be. Eric took a team upon his back and got to the NC game before a defense could shut him down. Taylor gets shut down by every good team we play. I think back to all the great texass players that had great speed but really never amounted to anything. Taylor will be one of these types of players. I give credit where credit is due, and Taylor hasn't done anything to deserve to be mentioned in the same category as some of the Husker greats. I'm not referring to titles or conference championships. Taylor cannot take the team on his back and win a game. GBR

1HuskrFan... Did you watch any games this year? Because there's no possible way you could have with that comment you just made right there.

I watched every game that was televised as I have for the past 50 yrs, Taylor runs like a track star, straight up, when he get tackled, he always goes up and backwards, that's why he fumbles so much. I would love to see him become a great qb, I just don't see the potential to do that.

But he gets shut down by every good team he plays? Come on, man!

 

[1HuskrFan]

Completely off subject here, but was Zac Taylor the one on Sherman's staff who recruited Johnny Football?

Thought about this a while back. Manziel is listed on rivals as being recruited by a different TAMU coach, but I would have to think that Zac, as team QB's coach, still recruited him a little bit. Sherman's and ZT's last year on the staff was Johnny's first year in college and Johnny redshirted that year. Even though he was on scout team, ZT probably interacted and coached him up a tiny bit. Two completely different QB's, but it's still cool to think about nonetheless.

Semi-related note: I think Martinez should try the same QB guru that Manziel went to, George Whitfield. No knock on Steve Calhoun, but Johnny in his spring ball before he was a starter was as interception-prone and as bad of a passer as freshman & sophomore Martinez. Manziel went to Whitfield in the summer after that, and I watched Johnny from his first game and all of his subsequent nationally televised games and his improvement throughout the season was unbelievably fast. He was making throws against Alabama he wasn't making against Florida in their season opener. I have no qualms with Martinez as a passer this year, but his improvement seemed lesser than Johnny's, who is now a better passer than Taylor. If TM gave Whitfield a try he might be able to experience the same returns, but it's not absolutely necessary. Taylor can hang his hat on a job well-done this season.

sorry for the man-crush on Manziel. He is already my favorite non-Husker player in college football history.

You must be a young kid to have Manziel as your favorite player after just one yr. To compare him to some of the super stars that have come before him and played great for 3 to 4 yrs. this kid hasn't really done anything yet. No conference titles, NC or any type of hardware and you have him as the greatest in college football history. You sir have a very limited exposure to the real football. The kid had an amazing freshmen yr, won the heisman due to the fact wasn't any competition for the award this yr. You could say he won by default.We'll see what his encore is like in 13. My guess is he'll have his head handed to him. He won't sneak up on anyone next yr. TAMU gets lit up next yr, I see at least 4 losses, and a couple of close wins that could be losses.

.... HAHA is anyone taking this guy seriously?

Why is it that because by your own words, you have a man crush on him, making your view of him through rose colored glasses. Why is he so great, cause he beat alabama. One game doesn't make a player great, it means he had a great game, in the zone so to speak, If you've every suited up you'd know exactly what I mean. GBR

 

[NebraskaHarry]

Well considering he won the Heisman this year and the records he broke, I have nothing but the most respect for that kid. He's the real deal. You're opinion doesn't matter.

 

[1HuskrFan]

One minute you're talking about how Martinez loses us to many games because of turnovers... then you talk about Farve being the all time great when not considering the number of games he lost because of his own turnovers. Here's one. NFC conference championship against Saints when he was with Vikings.

I said Farve was a winner, regardless of the way he played, Taylor isn't a winner and never will be, he doesn't have it. He's playing out of position, and due to the fact the Huskers had no other option, he won the qb job by default. To even try and compare him to some of the all time qbs at Nebraska is a joke. The kids a player, just not a qb.

 

[1HuskrFan]

Well considering he won the Heisman this year and the records he broke, I have nothing but the most respect for that kid. He's the real deal. You're opinion doesn't matter.

no more than yours does.

 

[NebraskaHarry]

Well considering he won the Heisman this year and the records he broke, I have nothing but the most respect for that kid. He's the real deal. You're opinion doesn't matter.

Oh and I wasn't the one who has a man crush on him.