All time top NU QBs

[Saint Boseph]

You must be a young kid to have Manziel as your favorite player after just one yr. To compare him to some of the super stars that have come before him and played great for 3 to 4 yrs. this kid hasn't really done anything yet. No conference titles, NC or any type of hardware and you have him as the greatest in college football history. You sir have a very limited exposure to the real football. The kid had an amazing freshmen yr, won the heisman due to the fact wasn't any competition for the award this yr. You could say he won by default.We'll see what his encore is like in 13. My guess is he'll have his head handed to him. He won't sneak up on anyone next yr. TAMU gets lit up next yr, I see at least 4 losses, and a couple of close wins that could be losses.

I didn't make an accusation to my knowledge about anyone or anything. I simply voiced my opinion which you took exception to.

Taylor doesn't play defense, so why would his numbers be different if the defense is better. The team win loss record may be better, but taylors numbers would stay the same.

Appreciate the condescension towards a comment that was in no way directed towards you. I'm not sure what your standards are for a 'young kid' but I don't really care what they are, you're welcome to go to my profile and deduce it for yourself if I meet your qualifications (I'll save you some trouble, I'm 21 years old). Regardless of my age I have read up on and watched film of professional and college teams and players back decades before I was born and played the game for 9 years of my life, but I'm a "young kid" so they might not matter by your judgment. The difference is the lack of intellect between you and I, which is something that is not beholden to age, unlike experience. I'd be thoroughly comfortable to PM you for a stick-measuring contest on academic and professional credentials because I have my guesses about what kind of person you are based on your unsophisticated manner of posting, which is very juvenile in tone. Even though you are quite older, you probably lack a high intellectual capacity and the ability to think intuitively. Heck, you don't even have proper reading comprehension skills. So let's begin:

Quote #1. You failed to address any portion of my response to someone else's question other than the very last sentence of it. Even then you failed to comprehend it correctly. Where in that sentence did I "compare him to the super stars" or call him the "best in college football history"? Go back and re-read my post. I said Manziel has been my favorite non-husker so far in college football history. Favorite as in FAVORITE TO WATCH, as in exciting and flashy, as in I enjoy watching his ability to scramble around, improvise & extend plays. Favorite and best are two distinct adjectives. I am entitled to my opinion. I do not think Manziel is the best player in college football history, that would be Barry Sanders in my opinion. But in your rush to throw your stick around into an exchange that didn't involve you, you were motivated by the desire to condescend from your high-horse. Because that one time you rode the bench and were Johnny Rodgers' towel boy at Omaha Tech 44 years ago makes you the resident Huskerboard football expert. Maybe because senility might be creeping in you haven't realized there's a resource called the internet which gives anyone the ability to read up on college football history, which I have made judicious use of, since it is a passion of mine. Here's something I've learned that your rapidly deteriorating brain will never accept, college football players are only going to get better and better in the future. Genetically and developmentally players are more athletic today than they were even 10-15 years ago. If you transported Bobby Reynolds, Jeff Kinney, or Johnny Rodgers from back in time to today, they would all be riding the bench behind Ameer Abdullah and Braylon Heard. And in 30 years time, Ameer and Braylon today will look average athletically because players will be athletic superfreaks by that time. The best players in history have yet to come. Rich Glover was an all-american at 6'1 240 pounds. Tell me how many 6'1 240 linemen you see these days period. But I understand historical context and can still appreciate Rich Glover because he was dominant for his time, something that you think is impossible for "young kids" to be capable of understanding.

Quote #2: Further indication that maybe senility might be creeping in because you seemed to have forgot that I was simply voicing an opinion as well. And it was an opinion that you completely misinterpreted.

Quote #3: This is where I think your intuitive understanding of the game is severely limited. You lack the ability to think critically and have digested football at face value for 44 years because you are limited in intellect. Because if you were truly intelligent you would realize that the two are not unrelated, but rather very much intertwined. Field position plays a huge role in QB and offensive stats. Tim Beck has continually said in 2011 he had to have Taylor throw it around a lot because they were behind in score early, which is the defense's fault for allowing scores. When the team is down, the quarterback takes on high-risk, high-reward throws at a greater pace. Turnovers by the offense affect the defense by giving them a short field to defend. Hurry up-offenses force your own defense onto the field longer. There's a million pieces of evidence that offensive and defensive performances are related. Yet, after 44 years of supposed vast football experience you make one of the most elementary statements I have heard. I have honestly heard better musings from twelve year olds than that farce of a statement you just tried to pass off as analysis.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Tommy Armstrong will not start a game for any reason other than injury to Taylor Martinez. I can see Tommy getting what many on here define as "significant snaps", but he will not overtake Martinez for the starting spot.

And you're basing this statement on what exactly? Tommy will start more than one game next yr because he'll earn it. The kid is a stud, can already pass better than Taylor, he's not as fast a runner, but he does have moves which taylor does not. Taylor runs like a track star, no forward lean and no lateral movement, and couldn't juke my sister. Taylor is a great athlete playing qb, while Tommy is going to be a great qb for us. I'm basing my opinion on players comments that are on the team and play with these guys everyday. Only time will tell of course, but let's face facts, Taylor is not a great qb and never will be. Eric took a team upon his back and got to the NC game before a defense could shut him down. Taylor gets shut down by every good team we play. I think back to all the great texass players that had great speed but really never amounted to anything. Taylor will be one of these types of players. I give credit where credit is due, and Taylor hasn't done anything to deserve to be mentioned in the same category as some of the Husker greats. I'm not referring to titles or conference championships. Taylor cannot take the team on his back and win a game. GBR

Strikes 2 and 3 right there. No time is worth discussing this with you. Good day sir.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Tommy Armstrong will not start a game for any reason other than injury to Taylor Martinez. I can see Tommy getting what many on here define as "significant snaps", but he will not overtake Martinez for the starting spot.

I agree. Pelini's man crush has not and will not waver. I'm already looking forward to 2014. I can't wait for it in fact. It couldn't come soon enough.

Yeah. That's not the reason I was gonna point out. Martinez has been the qb here for 3 years now. Next year will be his 4th. No redshirt freshman is going to come in and blow the socks off enough to steal the starting job away from him. Do i want to see an open competition? Hell yes. It will only make Taylor and Tommy better in the long run. I believe that Armstrong will have the chance, but I do not think he will do it.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Lastly-The bottom line is, Taylor Martinez will be remembered in a negative light to some folks because of the supposed bs that swirled around him during his RFr. season, from the supposed phone call to his Dad at A&M, to the rampant 16 minute rumor that he was leaving the next day, to the assenine presumptions that a Freshman QB was supposed to come in and be THE team leader, and he was obviously a failure in that regard. These folks have preconceived opinions of Taylor Martinez and no amount yards, TD's, trophies, or rings will change that plain and simple. I just happen to be on the side that supports the kid and always have. Why? He's our guy. Nothing is going to change that. People thought Carnes was gonna come in and take his job just becuase he made a few nifty throws in a scrimmage? Give me a break. Tommy Armstrong is not taking his job this year either, unless of course Taylor get injured or for some reason unknown to God himself, his play completely goes in the tanker.

 

[B.B. Hemingway]

Taylor gives us the best chance too win every week, he will/should start next year, and anyone who thinks otherwise is just "hatin"....

 

[Enhance]

Martinez will not lose the starting job this year save two things - injury or a complete meltdown, and the injury is far more likely.

I've heard great things about Tommy Armstrong too, even seen him in practice. He's only a redshirt freshman, however, and Martinez has our playbook down pat. Whether Armstrong is the better qb is irrelevant - he is not going to overtake Martinez for the starting spot. He's just not. Period. End of discussion. Martinez gives Nebraska the best chance to win.

And any notion Martinez is not a playmaker is ridiculous. He shouldered the weight against Ohio State in 2011, led game winning drives against Northwestern and Michigan State this year, made big plays against Wisconsin in September, and had an unreal run against Wisconsin in the B1G championship game that will largely go unnoticed in Husker history because we got blown out.

I'm all for fair, legitimate Martinez criticism. Any player deserves fair criticism on our team. But the baseless claims that he's not a playmaker and can't shoulder the weight of the team need to stop. They're unsubstantiated and, quite frankly, stupid.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Bo and Paps have got to fix the defense. I dont mean make it a little better. It better be night and day better. dagnabit it, Taylor and the offense we have returning deserve a top 20 defense to back them up.

 

[B.B. Hemingway]

Bo and Paps have got to fix the defense. I dont mean make it a little better. It better be night and day better. dagnabit it, Taylor and the offense we have returning deserve a top 20 defense to back them up.

If Nebraska has a top 20 defense next year, this team will be scary good, and could win the whole thing, imo.... This offense is suitable of a National Champion, now can the defense get close too that level?

 

[Enhance]

Bo and Paps have got to fix the defense. I dont mean make it a little better. It better be night and day better. dagnabit it, Taylor and the offense we have returning deserve a top 20 defense to back them up.

If Nebraska has a top 20 defense next year, this team will be scary good, and could win the whole thing, imo.... This offense is suitable of a National Champion, now can the defense get close too that level?

Sucks how we were only saying three years ago "If we just had the offense to match this defense!"

 

[TGHusker]

Martinez will not lose the starting job this year save two things - injury or a complete meltdown, and the injury is far more likely.

I've heard great things about Tommy Armstrong too, even seen him in practice. He's only a redshirt freshman, however, and Martinez has our playbook down pat. Whether Armstrong is the better qb is irrelevant - he is not going to overtake Martinez for the starting spot. He's just not. Period. End of discussion. Martinez gives Nebraska the best chance to win.

And any notion Martinez is not a playmaker is ridiculous. He shouldered the weight against Ohio State in 2011, led game winning drives against Northwestern and Michigan State this year, made big plays against Wisconsin in September, and had an unreal run against Wisconsin in the B1G championship game that will largely go unnoticed in Husker history because we got blown out.

I'm all for fair, legitimate Martinez criticism. Any player deserves fair criticism on our team. But the baseless claims that he's not a playmaker and can't shoulder the weight of the team need to stop. They're unsubstantiated and, quite frankly, stupid.

I have no doubt that TM will start all games next year outside of an injury. My big wish, however, is that Armstrong and/or Straton be placed in real world situations that matter - not clean up duty against St Mary's School fo the Blind. There was zero QB developement this year - outside of Armstrong in practice.

 

[TGHusker]

Bo and Paps have got to fix the defense. I dont mean make it a little better. It better be night and day better. dagnabit it, Taylor and the offense we have returning deserve a top 20 defense to back them up.

If Nebraska has a top 20 defense next year, this team will be scary good, and could win the whole thing, imo.... This offense is suitable of a National Champion, now can the defense get close too that level?

Let's not forget - besides our D we need the O line to perform much better. TM spent too much time scrabbling or picking himself off his back last year. We had too many red zone trips that ended wt a field goal or no points. Skill players can only do so much with out a consistent low penalty line.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Martinez will not lose the starting job this year save two things - injury or a complete meltdown, and the injury is far more likely.

I've heard great things about Tommy Armstrong too, even seen him in practice. He's only a redshirt freshman, however, and Martinez has our playbook down pat. Whether Armstrong is the better qb is irrelevant - he is not going to overtake Martinez for the starting spot. He's just not. Period. End of discussion. Martinez gives Nebraska the best chance to win.

And any notion Martinez is not a playmaker is ridiculous. He shouldered the weight against Ohio State in 2011, led game winning drives against Northwestern and Michigan State this year, made big plays against Wisconsin in September, and had an unreal run against Wisconsin in the B1G championship game that will largely go unnoticed in Husker history because we got blown out.

I'm all for fair, legitimate Martinez criticism. Any player deserves fair criticism on our team. But the baseless claims that he's not a playmaker and can't shoulder the weight of the team need to stop. They're unsubstantiated and, quite frankly, stupid.

I have no doubt that TM will start all games next year outside of an injury. My big wish, however, is that Armstrong and/or Straton be placed in real world situations that matter - not clean up duty against St Mary's School fo the Blind. There was zero QB developement this year - outside of Armstrong in practice.

While I understand your point, please, tell me who else around the entire country that does this. Your starting qb is your starting qb because he is the best you have at that position and gives you the best chance to win. You dont take that off the field during "real-world situations that matter" during a game. Could you imagine being ahead of UCLA 17-13 in the middle of the 3rd quarter and Tommy Armstrong trots out for a possession instead of Taylor. It would be absolute meltdown mode.

The last time I remember something like this happening was when we played @ Missouri in 2005. We trailed 20-6 I believe and just gave the ball back to Missouri and it was looking to get ugly as we had no answer whatsoever for Brad Smith. Pinkel decides to put in Chase Daniel for a couple of "meaningful snaps". IIRC, he turns it over once and goes 3 and out a second time and before you know, we have the game tied at 20. Maybe it was 24. Brad Smith came back in and we lost the game 41-24.

Bottom line is, Nebraska is not a rarity as a team that does NOT do this. In fact, it is the norm.

 

[Enhance]

Martinez will not lose the starting job this year save two things - injury or a complete meltdown, and the injury is far more likely.

I've heard great things about Tommy Armstrong too, even seen him in practice. He's only a redshirt freshman, however, and Martinez has our playbook down pat. Whether Armstrong is the better qb is irrelevant - he is not going to overtake Martinez for the starting spot. He's just not. Period. End of discussion. Martinez gives Nebraska the best chance to win.

And any notion Martinez is not a playmaker is ridiculous. He shouldered the weight against Ohio State in 2011, led game winning drives against Northwestern and Michigan State this year, made big plays against Wisconsin in September, and had an unreal run against Wisconsin in the B1G championship game that will largely go unnoticed in Husker history because we got blown out.

I'm all for fair, legitimate Martinez criticism. Any player deserves fair criticism on our team. But the baseless claims that he's not a playmaker and can't shoulder the weight of the team need to stop. They're unsubstantiated and, quite frankly, stupid.

I have no doubt that TM will start all games next year outside of an injury. My big wish, however, is that Armstrong and/or Straton be placed in real world situations that matter - not clean up duty against St Mary's School fo the Blind. There was zero QB developement this year - outside of Armstrong in practice.

Accountability has a pretty good response to this.

Truth of the matter is Nebraska treats it's quarterbacks no differently than any other university. We don't blow teams out, therefore we don't have the luxury to bring in the back-up. And it's not like this is 1995 and we've got a proven commodity (like Brook Berringer was) sitting in the wings. Very few if any college teams throw their back-up into the fire in meaningful games - your starter sees the snaps. The fact that our back-up QB's see very little playing time doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Armstrong can ride the bench another year, learn the playbook, see mop-up duty, and come out firing in his third year after having watched patiently for two. Nothing about that situation bothers me.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

I'm pretty damn old. Seen plenty of football.

And I think Johnny Manzeil is something special.

I have no love for Texas A&M, but if you're a football fan it's pretty juvenile to root against him.

 

[TGHusker]

Martinez will not lose the starting job this year save two things - injury or a complete meltdown, and the injury is far more likely.

I've heard great things about Tommy Armstrong too, even seen him in practice. He's only a redshirt freshman, however, and Martinez has our playbook down pat. Whether Armstrong is the better qb is irrelevant - he is not going to overtake Martinez for the starting spot. He's just not. Period. End of discussion. Martinez gives Nebraska the best chance to win.

And any notion Martinez is not a playmaker is ridiculous. He shouldered the weight against Ohio State in 2011, led game winning drives against Northwestern and Michigan State this year, made big plays against Wisconsin in September, and had an unreal run against Wisconsin in the B1G championship game that will largely go unnoticed in Husker history because we got blown out.

I'm all for fair, legitimate Martinez criticism. Any player deserves fair criticism on our team. But the baseless claims that he's not a playmaker and can't shoulder the weight of the team need to stop. They're unsubstantiated and, quite frankly, stupid.

I have no doubt that TM will start all games next year outside of an injury. My big wish, however, is that Armstrong and/or Straton be placed in real world situations that matter - not clean up duty against St Mary's School fo the Blind. There was zero QB developement this year - outside of Armstrong in practice.

Accountability has a pretty good response to this.

Truth of the matter is Nebraska treats it's quarterbacks no differently than any other university. We don't blow teams out, therefore we don't have the luxury to bring in the back-up. And it's not like this is 1995 and we've got a proven commodity (like Brook Berringer was) sitting in the wings. Very few if any college teams throw their back-up into the fire in meaningful games - your starter sees the snaps. The fact that our back-up QB's see very little playing time doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Armstrong can ride the bench another year, learn the playbook, see mop-up duty, and come out firing in his third year after having watched patiently for two. Nothing about that situation bothers me.

Ok - I can live wt that response to a certain extent. If TM gets injured, it helps to have a QB in the wings who won't have the live game jitters. Maybe what I want is the 1995 blowouts - then everyone gets experience.