Any chance for Bo and/or Beck going for a real identity soon?

[Hunter94]

Beck has already stated this spring, they want to run a 50/50 offense this season, so run first would not be "who we are".....i got to see this comittment to believe it.

it would be a big departure from last season.

 

[zoogs]

I don't think we need an easily relatable "buzzword" name for the offense in order to have an identity.

 

[bshirt]

I thought our identity was going to be a defensive powerhouse under the tutelage of the Pelini Brothers, with a nice little offense to go with it.

I agree with everyone else who thinks the phrase "identity" is used mostly by fans, and generally misused at that.

I've also noticed that the fans most anxious for Nebraska to find an identity simply wish we'd become a run first, run only offense, pounding the rock and exerting our will through a relentless rushing game. Or to put it another way, they wish it was 1995 again.

We tend to forget that the triple option offense of those Husker glory days was a very, very complicated and yes even "multiple" offense to run, requiring a perfect storm of o-line and backfield talent and discipline. The WCO freaked some people out because it involved those new-fangled forward passes, but it wasn't necessarily more sophisticated or difficult to learn than Tom Osborne's offense.

This is an incredible fast Husker offense, and if they learn to hold onto the ball they can make a lot of schemes work. If Burkhead's workload goes down this season, it will mean things are going well.

Wrong.

I wish it was 1982 again. Or 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, etc. It's too bad kids like you never saw those teams play. They might have made an impression on you too.

 

[bshirt]

Beck has already stated this spring, they want to run a 50/50 offense this season, so run first would not be "who we are".....i got to see this comittment to believe it.

it would be a big departure from last season.

Oh Gawd, please, please.......someone tell me this isn't true and/or it was just a casual remark meaning nothing.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

I thought our identity was going to be a defensive powerhouse under the tutelage of the Pelini Brothers, with a nice little offense to go with it.

I agree with everyone else who thinks the phrase "identity" is used mostly by fans, and generally misused at that.

I've also noticed that the fans most anxious for Nebraska to find an identity simply wish we'd become a run first, run only offense, pounding the rock and exerting our will through a relentless rushing game. Or to put it another way, they wish it was 1995 again.

We tend to forget that the triple option offense of those Husker glory days was a very, very complicated and yes even "multiple" offense to run, requiring a perfect storm of o-line and backfield talent and discipline. The WCO freaked some people out because it involved those new-fangled forward passes, but it wasn't necessarily more sophisticated or difficult to learn than Tom Osborne's offense.

This is an incredible fast Husker offense, and if they learn to hold onto the ball they can make a lot of schemes work. If Burkhead's workload goes down this season, it will mean things are going well.

Wrong.

I wish it was 1982 again. Or 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, etc. It's too bad kids like you never saw those teams play. They might have made an impression on you too.

Went to my first game at Memorial Stadium in 1967.

Unless you want to talk Bill Jennings, we're on the same page.

Unless you didn't see any of the Devaney teams play. They might have made an impression on you.

Now get off my lawn!

 

[Hunter94]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2012-04-07-3994833798_x.htm

 

[bshirt]

I thought our identity was going to be a defensive powerhouse under the tutelage of the Pelini Brothers, with a nice little offense to go with it.

I agree with everyone else who thinks the phrase "identity" is used mostly by fans, and generally misused at that.

I've also noticed that the fans most anxious for Nebraska to find an identity simply wish we'd become a run first, run only offense, pounding the rock and exerting our will through a relentless rushing game. Or to put it another way, they wish it was 1995 again.

We tend to forget that the triple option offense of those Husker glory days was a very, very complicated and yes even "multiple" offense to run, requiring a perfect storm of o-line and backfield talent and discipline. The WCO freaked some people out because it involved those new-fangled forward passes, but it wasn't necessarily more sophisticated or difficult to learn than Tom Osborne's offense.

This is an incredible fast Husker offense, and if they learn to hold onto the ball they can make a lot of schemes work. If Burkhead's workload goes down this season, it will mean things are going well.

Wrong.

I wish it was 1982 again. Or 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, etc. It's too bad kids like you never saw those teams play. They might have made an impression on you too.

Went to my first game at Memorial Stadium in 1967.

Unless you want to talk Bill Jennings, we're on the same page.

Unless you didn't see any of the Devaney teams play. They might have made an impression on you.

Now get off my lawn!

I saw Devaney teams play. I remember quite well how deathly quiet the stadium got when the opponent had to punt the ball to the Jet.

Stating that I can only reference 1995 was just stupid as I'd kill to have "any" of TO's 80s or 90s offenses. Yes, Devaney's teams also ran the ball hard. Orduna, Kinney, etc. I don't remember those two running 10,000 different random formations every week like SW or Beck (hopefully just a 1st year thing). They picked something to live or die with. I just want Bo/Beck to do the same.

And now Bo is talking about about changing the offense to a 50/50 run-pass ratio? I hope to God that isn't true. Geesh....Tmart isn't a great passer and our WRs have a proven capability of dropping passes everywhere. A recipe for disaster if I've ever heard one.

 

[bshirt]

http://www.usatoday....994833798_x.htm

Oh no...... :facepalm:

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

I thought our identity was going to be a defensive powerhouse under the tutelage of the Pelini Brothers, with a nice little offense to go with it.

I agree with everyone else who thinks the phrase "identity" is used mostly by fans, and generally misused at that.

I've also noticed that the fans most anxious for Nebraska to find an identity simply wish we'd become a run first, run only offense, pounding the rock and exerting our will through a relentless rushing game. Or to put it another way, they wish it was 1995 again.

We tend to forget that the triple option offense of those Husker glory days was a very, very complicated and yes even "multiple" offense to run, requiring a perfect storm of o-line and backfield talent and discipline. The WCO freaked some people out because it involved those new-fangled forward passes, but it wasn't necessarily more sophisticated or difficult to learn than Tom Osborne's offense.

This is an incredible fast Husker offense, and if they learn to hold onto the ball they can make a lot of schemes work. If Burkhead's workload goes down this season, it will mean things are going well.

Wrong.

I wish it was 1982 again. Or 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, etc. It's too bad kids like you never saw those teams play. They might have made an impression on you too.

Went to my first game at Memorial Stadium in 1967.

Unless you want to talk Bill Jennings, we're on the same page.

Unless you didn't see any of the Devaney teams play. They might have made an impression on you.

Now get off my lawn!

I saw Devaney teams play. I remember quite well how deathly quiet the stadium got when the opponent had to punt the ball to the Jet.

Stating that I can only reference 1995 was just stupid as I'd kill to have "any" of TO's 80s or 90s offenses. Yes, Devaney's teams also ran the ball hard. Orduna, Kinney, etc. I don't remember those two running 10,000 different random formations every week like SW or Beck (hopefully just a 1st year thing). They picked something to live or die with. I just want Bo/Beck to do the same.

And now Bo is talking about about changing the offense to a 50/50 run-pass ratio? I hope to God that isn't true. Geesh....Tmart isn't a great passer and our WRs have a proven capability of dropping passes everywhere. A recipe for disaster if I've ever heard one.

If you remember the Devaney teams, you should recall that the revolution he brought to a moribund Nebraska football program was a willingness to run a balanced offense. Bob Devaney's first play at Nebraska in 1962 was a forward pass, and Memorial Stadium gave it a standing ovation (the run first, run second, run third approach hadn't been working). Later, the young Tom Osborne was handed the reigns of the offense based on Tom's innovative formations that accomodated a run/pass balance. Those first two national championships were by teams that could just as easily pass for 200 yards and rush for 200 yards. It's a formula lots of successful teams use without ever bothering to use the word "identity" or "multiple." Those 1980s teams you cite tended to pass more than the mid-90s teams, so not sure what your point is, there. You may also forget that Tom Osborne was the king of gadget plays. And that Taylor Martinez - goofy hitch and all - remains a better passer than most quarterbacks of the Osborne era. You heard me.

I welcome the balance. You know who else will welcome it? Rex Burkhead.

If all you remember of the Devaney teams is Johnny Rodgers punt returns, I'm not sure you understand how that team worked.

 

[zoogs]

Gotta go with Guy here. Tom Osborne didn't just get by with simple offenses. He wasn't playing pop warner checkers on a chess board. It may have been a power, run-heavy attack but by no means was it simple. And, it did in fact rely on superior domination ability from the OL. At the time, we were able to be heads and shoulders above everybody else in that department, and we had a scheme that took that edge and exploited it for all it was worth.

 

[bshirt]

Gotta go with Guy here. Tom Osborne didn't just get by with simple offenses. He wasn't playing pop warner checkers on a chess board. It may have been a power, run-heavy attack but by no means was it simple. And, it did in fact rely on superior domination ability from the OL. At the time, we were able to be heads and shoulders above everybody else in that department, and we had a scheme that took that edge and exploited it for all it was worth.

Who said it was simple?

 

[bshirt]

I thought our identity was going to be a defensive powerhouse under the tutelage of the Pelini Brothers, with a nice little offense to go with it.

I agree with everyone else who thinks the phrase "identity" is used mostly by fans, and generally misused at that.

I've also noticed that the fans most anxious for Nebraska to find an identity simply wish we'd become a run first, run only offense, pounding the rock and exerting our will through a relentless rushing game. Or to put it another way, they wish it was 1995 again.

We tend to forget that the triple option offense of those Husker glory days was a very, very complicated and yes even "multiple" offense to run, requiring a perfect storm of o-line and backfield talent and discipline. The WCO freaked some people out because it involved those new-fangled forward passes, but it wasn't necessarily more sophisticated or difficult to learn than Tom Osborne's offense.

This is an incredible fast Husker offense, and if they learn to hold onto the ball they can make a lot of schemes work. If Burkhead's workload goes down this season, it will mean things are going well.

Wrong.

I wish it was 1982 again. Or 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, etc. It's too bad kids like you never saw those teams play. They might have made an impression on you too.

Went to my first game at Memorial Stadium in 1967.

Unless you want to talk Bill Jennings, we're on the same page.

Unless you didn't see any of the Devaney teams play. They might have made an impression on you.

Now get off my lawn!

I saw Devaney teams play. I remember quite well how deathly quiet the stadium got when the opponent had to punt the ball to the Jet.

Stating that I can only reference 1995 was just stupid as I'd kill to have "any" of TO's 80s or 90s offenses. Yes, Devaney's teams also ran the ball hard. Orduna, Kinney, etc. I don't remember those two running 10,000 different random formations every week like SW or Beck (hopefully just a 1st year thing). They picked something to live or die with. I just want Bo/Beck to do the same.

And now Bo is talking about about changing the offense to a 50/50 run-pass ratio? I hope to God that isn't true. Geesh....Tmart isn't a great passer and our WRs have a proven capability of dropping passes everywhere. A recipe for disaster if I've ever heard one.

If you remember the Devaney teams, you should recall that the revolution he brought to a moribund Nebraska football program was a willingness to run a balanced offense. Bob Devaney's first play at Nebraska in 1962 was a forward pass, and Memorial Stadium gave it a standing ovation (the run first, run second, run third approach hadn't been working). Later, the young Tom Osborne was handed the reigns of the offense based on Tom's innovative formations that accomodated a run/pass balance. Those first two national championships were by teams that could just as easily pass for 200 yards and rush for 200 yards. It's a formula lots of successful teams use without ever bothering to use the word "identity" or "multiple." Those 1980s teams you cite tended to pass more than the mid-90s teams, so not sure what your point is, there. You may also forget that Tom Osborne was the king of gadget plays. And that Taylor Martinez - goofy hitch and all - remains a better passer than most quarterbacks of the Osborne era. You heard me.

I welcome the balance. You know who else will welcome it? Rex Burkhead.

If all you remember of the Devaney teams is Johnny Rodgers punt returns, I'm not sure you understand how that team worked.

I never said that was "all" I remembered genius. TO's 82 through 89 teams were very, very run heavy teams. I guess that's just over your head. I'm not sure you can understand basic English so this exchange is over.

 

[zoogs]

Well, I'm just agreeing with what Guy said, and he said it was a complex and even multiple system. Whether or not anyone disagrees with that, I'm still just agreeing with what he said.

 

[bshirt]

Well, I'm just agreeing with what Guy said, and he said it was a complex and even multiple system. Whether or not anyone disagrees with that, I'm still just agreeing with what he said.

Well, where are you or Guy coming up with me or "somebody" saying it was simple?

I guess there's many takes on what "multiple" really means. For me, it's the classic SW method of doing something different almost every week, never developing a scheme to consistently rely on and then game-day immediately changing things when they do work (to trick them). So yes, in theory that's great because we can then counter any scheme the defense uses and also surprise them. But in the real cfb world, I think it just doesn't work that way unless we have an overwhelming talent edge (which frequently we don't have).

Maybe you, Guy and others have another definition of what "multiple" is? That's fine if you do but would you please tell me what it is?

 

[walksalone]

it all goes back to a dominating offensive line......i don't think Beck is concerned with an offensive identity just yet.....sigh

Thats it, thats exactly it. I know we have to get good prospects at the skill positions, but we need to get the beast O lineman. An O line can make a decent RB/QB look good and a good RB/QB look freaking amazing. Then you can run ball, keep their D on the field and keep your defense off the field and rested.