AR, How would you defend this guy?

First to BRI and all other members of law enforcement who who haqve to deal with these drunken a$$ holes. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for everything that you do, you are not given near enough credit for what you do. Stay alert, don't get caught off guard and stay safe, we need you.
Second, cabs are cheap. We don't care if those of you who drink and drive kill yourselves, its when you kill our loved ones that we too become homicidal. TAKE A F'N CAB HOME YOU STUPID BASTARDS.

Third, if you get caught driving drunk more than once in a life time I have a spot in a Lepor Colony for you to live in. Let the penality fit the crime.

>>>T_O_B, (Just an inch to the right of Ghengis Kahn)


Hey T_O_B...I really appreciate that comment from you! Atleast there are some of ya out there that actually welcome to see us all the time. Not just in distress. :) Remember the ole saying...."Everyone loves to see a Fireman all of the time"...."No one wants to see a Policeman unless they need one". ;) As much as my job (Narcotics) gives me a headache and frustrates me at times....I wouldn't trade it for the world!

 
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Easy. Take it to trial. Raise the spectre that the police have targeted this guy out of some kind of malice. Look for every little detail that can be used to argue that the cops hate the guy. Argue to the jury that the reason for probable cause is to ensure that a police state can't arise, and that if they don't send a message now, they place society on a slippery slope to everyone being targeted just because the police don't like the way they look, the way they talk, etc.

That'll be $15,000 for the consultation, by the way, Uno...
Well since we split fees for my referals I expect that you will be sending me a check for $7,500 as soon as he pays you for defending him.

 
Blackshirtsguru, I realize just being a police officer is a risky job, but isn't narcotics about as dangerous as it gets? Be careful man and keep up the good work. You got my full support, too

One more thing. Due to the greater risk factor, do you get paid more? You should. God bless and thank you for your service.

P.S.: Is it OK if I call you Detective Blackshirtsguru? :lol:

 
okay, let me pose a question to AR and BRI...

I read something (yes I know, don't believe everything you read on the internet) about just refusing the tests they try and give you. Refuse the field test and then the breathalyzer when you get to the station. Then they have no proof that you were over the limit.

I'm guessing there is some sort of way police deal with certain people who try this, but it got me wondering if it was true. I mean, if there is no tangible proof you can't charge them with it can you? At least not as far as to take away their license?

Or is this a case where you just strap the guy down and draw blood out of him to test?

Don't worry, I wouldn't have the balls to ever try it :)
You can refuse the tests that I offer because that is your right. However; if I observe that your eyes are red, watery, pupils dialated, and I smell an odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from your person or breath I've already formed my probable cause. Once I get you to exit your vehicle I will be sure to observe how your standing, how you walk, etc. If I notice you swaying, staggering, etc. I will note that and it will be used in my report. These are things I will use with probable cause and they will hold up in court. I understand why people attempt to take this method because it makes the prosecutors job that much harder. Remember it's the prosecutors job to prove that you did something wrong, the defense doesn't have to prove anything. However; if you have an officer that is sharp enough and pays attention to detail and has good testimony on the stand the prosecution can still get a conviction. I will also act like I am your friend and eventually get some type of information out of you just from small talk. It's kinda like a chess match.

 
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First to BRI and all other members of law enforcement who who haqve to deal with these drunken a$$ holes. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for everything that you do, you are not given near enough credit for what you do. Stay alert, don't get caught off guard and stay safe, we need you.

Second, cabs are cheap. We don't care if those of you who drink and drive kill yourselves, its when you kill our loved ones that we too become homicidal. TAKE A F'N CAB HOME YOU STUPID BASTARDS.

Third, if you get caught driving drunk more than once in a life time I have a spot in a Lepor Colony for you to live in. Let the penality fit the crime.

>>>T_O_B, (Just an inch to the right of Ghengis Kahn)
I appreciate the kind words T_O_B :thumbs

 
Blackshirtsguru, I realize just being a police officer is a risky job, but isn't narcotics about as dangerous as it gets? Be careful man and keep up the good work. You got my full support, too
One more thing. Due to the greater risk factor, do you get paid more? You should. God bless and thank you for your service.

P.S.: Is it OK if I call you Detective Blackshirtsguru? :lol:


Thanks for the kind words. Actually Narcotics work is safter than being a patrolman. When I do controlled buys, UC (undercover) work, I am constantly monitored by my back up. I am a smooth talker and usually BS my way out of a potential threatening situation. As far as pay goes, no we don't make any more than your everyday patrol officer. In my mind, Patrol Officers have the more dangerous job. They are constanly rolling up to unknown threats everytime they step out of thier cruiser. Patrol Officers are the backbone of any Police Dept and they have my upmost respect.

 
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okay, let me pose a question to AR and BRI...

I read something (yes I know, don't believe everything you read on the internet) about just refusing the tests they try and give you. Refuse the field test and then the breathalyzer when you get to the station. Then they have no proof that you were over the limit.

I'm guessing there is some sort of way police deal with certain people who try this, but it got me wondering if it was true. I mean, if there is no tangible proof you can't charge them with it can you? At least not as far as to take away their license?

Or is this a case where you just strap the guy down and draw blood out of him to test?

Don't worry, I wouldn't have the balls to ever try it :)
You can refuse the tests that I offer because that is your right. However; if I observe that your eyes are red, watery, pupils dialated, and I smell an odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from your person or breath I've already formed my probable cause. Once I get you to exit your vehicle I will be sure to observe how your standing, how you walk, etc. If I notice you swaying, staggering, etc. I will note that and it will be used in my report. These are things I will use with probable cause and they will hold up in court. I understand why people attempt to take this method because it makes the prosecutors job that much harder. Remember it's the prosecutors job to prove that you did something wrong, the defense doesn't have to prove anything. However; if you have an officer that is sharp enough and pays attention to detail and has good testimony on the stand the prosecution can still get a conviction. I will also act like I am your friend and eventually get some type of information out of you just from small talk. It's kinda like a chess match.


Also it doesn't hurt to hit the record button on your in car video too! ;) When we first got those installed 8 years ago I was on patrol and for the life of me I had a hell of a time remembering that "Oh yeah, I have a camera with a mic now". :lol:

 
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okay, let me pose a question to AR and BRI...

I read something (yes I know, don't believe everything you read on the internet) about just refusing the tests they try and give you. Refuse the field test and then the breathalyzer when you get to the station. Then they have no proof that you were over the limit.

I'm guessing there is some sort of way police deal with certain people who try this, but it got me wondering if it was true. I mean, if there is no tangible proof you can't charge them with it can you? At least not as far as to take away their license?

Or is this a case where you just strap the guy down and draw blood out of him to test?

Don't worry, I wouldn't have the balls to ever try it :)
You can refuse the tests that I offer because that is your right. However; if I observe that your eyes are red, watery, pupils dialated, and I smell an odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from your person or breath I've already formed my probable cause. Once I get you to exit your vehicle I will be sure to observe how your standing, how you walk, etc. If I notice you swaying, staggering, etc. I will note that and it will be used in my report. These are things I will use with probable cause and they will hold up in court. I understand why people attempt to take this method because it makes the prosecutors job that much harder. Remember it's the prosecutors job to prove that you did something wrong, the defense doesn't have to prove anything. However; if you have an officer that is sharp enough and pays attention to detail and has good testimony on the stand the prosecution can still get a conviction. I will also act like I am your friend and eventually get some type of information out of you just from small talk. It's kinda like a chess match.


Also it doesn't hurt to hit the record button on your in car video too! ;) When we first got those installed 8 years ago I was on patrol and for the life of me I had a hell of a time remembering that "Oh yeah, I have a camera with a mic now". :lol:
Well ours come on automatically when you initiate your emergency lights so that's nice.

 
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