B1G vs. SEC

Mavric said:
Similar to what others have said:

Alabama was ranked #1 through the first 13 weeks last year. Every time they beat a conference opponent, they didn't move up, bringing the average rise down. Great work.
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I'm surprised that AgMarauder doesn't see this......oh wait..........he's SEC now so he doesn't do well with stats and numbers and the way that they can be misleading.

 
BlitzFirst said:
AgMarauder04 said:
I'm just gonna leave this here...http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/data-shows-no-evidence-sec-bias-poll
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Actually, this is misleading.

Having all your teams ranked inside your conference means you move up 1.5 spots NUMEROUS times...so while there isn't data to show that huge poll jumps happen...there is data that they didn't look at to show how often ranked teams are played.

See, the SEC can play 4 or 5 ranked opponents in their standard conference games...teams like Nebraska may only play 2 if they're lucky. 1.5 spots x 4 or 5 is a pretty good thing to have the option of and conferences outside of the SEC don't have that option thanks to preseason rankings etc. for the SEC.

The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything.
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We covered this in pretty much all of the posts above

 
Mavric said:
Similar to what others have said:

Alabama was ranked #1 through the first 13 weeks last year. Every time they beat a conference opponent, they didn't move up, bringing the average rise down. Great work.
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So you're saying we need negative number rankings to be fair to Bama.

 
The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything.
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What type of schedule, specifically?

 
BlitzFirst said:
AgMarauder04 said:
The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything.
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What type of schedule, specifically?
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Definitely NOT strength of schedule nor Sagarin because both of those are indirectly or directly influenced by the polls which are in question. This article, linked previously, about how Texas A&M has influenced the entire landscape of football this year is a good example of how the bias we're speaking of in college football today is able to shape the landscape of who is ranked in the top 10. http://fansided.com/2014/10/22/texas-controlled-2014-college-football-season/

Now, the schedule I'm speaking of is that of the SEC having tons of teams ranked preseason and within the first 3-4 weeks in the top 15...they play very little out of conference games and thus are able to play ranked (read: each other) teams in conference. There is opportunity for almost every team to jump those 1.5 spots each week based on playing a "ranked" team. What a great racket that is!

Switching to a schedule like that of the other power 5 conferences (4-5 out of conference games...starting next year no FCS teams) followed by 7-8 conference games) will bring parity to the SEC and cause less hype surrounding the conference.
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Since when does the SEC not play out of conference games?

Also, The B1G is about to go to 3 non conference games. None of the Power 5 play 5 Non cons except for ND if you want to include them.

And until next year, everybody was playing FCS schools.

I'm not sure where you were going with your point but it missed the mark a little

 
BlitzFirst said:
AgMarauder04 said:
The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything.
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What type of schedule, specifically?
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Definitely NOT strength of schedule nor Sagarin because both of those are indirectly or directly influenced by the polls which are in question.
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No, they aren't.

 
BlitzFirst said:
StPaulHusker said:
BlitzFirst said:
AgMarauder04 said:
The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything.
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What type of schedule, specifically?
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Definitely NOT strength of schedule nor Sagarin because both of those are indirectly or directly influenced by the polls which are in question. This article, linked previously, about how Texas A&M has influenced the entire landscape of football this year is a good example of how the bias we're speaking of in college football today is able to shape the landscape of who is ranked in the top 10. http://fansided.com/2014/10/22/texas-controlled-2014-college-football-season/

Now, the schedule I'm speaking of is that of the SEC having tons of teams ranked preseason and within the first 3-4 weeks in the top 15...they play very little out of conference games and thus are able to play ranked (read: each other) teams in conference. There is opportunity for almost every team to jump those 1.5 spots each week based on playing a "ranked" team. What a great racket that is!

Switching to a schedule like that of the other power 5 conferences (4-5 out of conference games...starting next year no FCS teams) followed by 7-8 conference games) will bring parity to the SEC and cause less hype surrounding the conference.
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Since when does the SEC not play out of conference games?

Also, The B1G is about to go to 3 non conference games. None of the Power 5 play 5 Non cons except for ND if you want to include them.

And until next year, everybody was playing FCS schools.

I'm not sure where you were going with your point but it missed the mark a little
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I never said they did not play out of conference games.

I already stated what you said in red above.

Not sure where you were going with it...plus, the schedule for 3 non conference games in the B1G hasn't been announced yet last I checked...it was only proposed.

Regardless, I directly quoted someone else and not you in the discussion and my points still stand...strength of schedule is subjective in the polls because of preseason ranks and heavily biased toward the SEC.
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You said "very little" out of conference games. They play 4. Which is the same or more than any other conference at this point.

The 3 non cons is for 2016. Not 2015. That was my mistake. And it's not a proposal. Its a done deal. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9467890/big-ten-releases-conference-schedules-2016-17

 
BlitzFirst said:
VA Husker Fan said:
BlitzFirst said:
AgMarauder04 said:
The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything.
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What type of schedule, specifically?
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Definitely NOT strength of schedule nor Sagarin because both of those are indirectly or directly influenced by the polls which are in question.
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No, they aren't.
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

The Coaches poll relies heavily on Sagarin since USA Today sponsors both...they have a vested interest in making sure that Sagarin's isn't so far out in left field that it doesn't make sense.
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That's just too stupid to argue with.

 
Indiana can't win a game in the B1G but they beat the team leading the SEC East on the road.

 
This weeks D-Baggery from ESecPN:

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