Banker Defensive Philosophy

[sd'sker]

Bend but don't break, what a pathetic way to play defense.

i agree. but watching oregon against fsu, it was pretty impressive. once they got to the redzone, they locked down.

and i was a bit leery about banker, but then i remember that compared to our recent defenses it will be hard to do worse. and that after the nw game in 2013 when the coaches let the players do what they wanted at halftime and they just played more aggressive, and that is when our defense looked decent; well banker should be able to put a pretty good product on the field if he just stays our of his own way.

 

[MasterPulverizer]

Samuel McKewon @swmckewonOWH · 1h1 hour ago

Banker's 4-3 D is very similar to Michigan State. The difference? "The Jimmies and Joes they were working with and we were working with."

I like this idea. It seems that some of the key players in MSU's defense are the safeties. I think Gerry and Alexander position us well to handle that stress.

 

[RedRedJarvisRedwine]

Samuel McKewon @swmckewonOWH[/size] · 1h1 hour ago

Banker's 4-3 D is very similar to Michigan State. The difference? "The Jimmies and Joes they were working with and we were working with."

I like this idea. It seems that some of the key players in MSU's defense are the safeties. I think Gerry and Alexander position us well to handle that stress.

I actually thought Gerrys over aggression got him burned too many times this year.

 

[MasterPulverizer]

Samuel McKewon @swmckewonOWH[/size] · 1h1 hour ago

Banker's 4-3 D is very similar to Michigan State. The difference? "The Jimmies and Joes they were working with and we were working with."

I like this idea. It seems that some of the key players in MSU's defense are the safeties. I think Gerry and Alexander position us well to handle that stress.

I actually thought Gerrys over aggression got him burned too many times this year.

So he's no good and shouldn't start?

 

[Count 'Bility]

Samuel McKewon @swmckewonOWH[/size] · 1h1 hour ago

Banker's 4-3 D is very similar to Michigan State. The difference? "The Jimmies and Joes they were working with and we were working with."

I like this idea. It seems that some of the key players in MSU's defense are the safeties. I think Gerry and Alexander position us well to handle that stress.

I actually thought Gerrys over aggression got him burned too many times this year.

You should really go back and watch film of the 90's and see how many times greats like Minter, the Browns, Finly, Warfield, Williams, etc got burned deep. It was really the only offense a team would be able to get on us. We stopped the run and short stuff first. Force these guys to have to complete that long low percentage pass down the field. it happens. Like I said, I'll be glad to give up 300 yards in the air if it means we stop the run first, cuz that means we still have a shot at winning the game.

 

[The King]

Bend but don't break, what a pathetic way to play defense.

It's working out pretty well for Oregon.

 

[True2tRA]

Mike Schaefer ‏@mikejschaefer 1h1 hour ago

My early nomination for favorite buzz word from new Nebraska defensive staff: Disruptive. Heard it several times from several assistants.

Well if they can disguise a blitz, then we're already further along defensively than we have been.

Disruptive. Amen to that.
I think Bo ran some good blitzes at times, but too few and far between. We only seemed to do it on the most obvious downs. I hope Banker mixes it up a bit and we focus on creating pressure and getting turnovers in the defensive backfield. We have the guys to do it.

People still commend Bo's record as having highly rated pass defenses. You, me and our Grandmothers could have great pass defenses when we only rush four and drop seven every single down. Linebackers were five yards off the line of scrimmage even against the best run games in the conference. Defensive backs were fifteen yards off the ball, face up with no pressure or jam and played the WR not the ball. No risk, no reward defense is no fun to watch and especially no fun to play in for these players.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Oregon doesnt play "bend dont break". That is a downhill, aggressive, fast defense. There are very few teams as physical as they are on the edges too. Even when they gave up stuff, you payed for it from a physical standpoint.

 

[The King]

Samuel McKewon @swmckewonOWH[/size] · 1h1 hour agoBanker's 4-3 D is very similar to Michigan State. The difference? "The Jimmies and Joes they were working with and we were working with."

I like this idea. It seems that some of the key players in MSU's defense are the safeties. I think Gerry and Alexander position us well to handle that stress.

I actually thought Gerrys over aggression got him burned too many times this year.

And got him the most INTs. Gerry is the last safety we should be complaining about right now. He saved our bacon.. a lot. He did tend to work outside, in on tackles which is horrific form

Always inside \ out. Quick little cut inside on the edge against Gerry got him yelled at a few times.

Next year our safeties should be monsters.

 

[Count 'Bility]

+Alexander

+Jackson

-Cooper

Win win win

 

[Blackshirt96]

Well if they can disguise a blitz, then we're already further along defensively than we have been.

What is this 'Blitz' you speak of?

ITs what Bo did on third & more then 5. When everyone in the stadium new what was about to happen.

 

[The King]

Oregon doesnt play "bend dont break". That is a downhill, aggressive, fast defense. There are very few teams as physical as they are on the edges too. Even when they gave up stuff, you payed for it from a physical standpoint.

Are you kidding me? I think I know Oregon schemes pretty well.. Oregon stunts their front four a lot, occasionally dropping DE's such as Armstead into a zone. bringing pressure from other angles, but its almost always 3/8 or 4/7 looks from them. They very rarely bring pressure outside of the red zone.

The idea that a bend don't break defense can't be physical or fast is incorrect. You can still fly to the football and rip it away (which is what the Ducks do, gang tackle, don't miss tackles, first guy wraps out, rest go for the ball. This is why they are one of the highest TO margin teams in the nation.

Finally, I'll let you argue with the Oregon DC, Don Pellum, who said they are still keeping Aliotti principles, the bend but don't break idea, fine with giving up yards, but will be more aggressive in passing down situations. just not points - something Chip Kelly constantly stated as well. Here are a couple articles from Eugene/Oregon about the "bend but don't break" philosophy that you say we don't run.

http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/32366310-81/not-this-time-no.-5-oregon-routs-stanford.csp# - "Erick Dargan intercepted Kevin Hogan at the Oregon 1-yard line and later forced the Stanford quarterback to fumble to highlight another bend-but-don’t-break effort by Don Pellum’s defense."

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/245503-112460-oregon-defense-has-stated-its-case- - "As the saying at UO goes, the Ducks will give up yards all day, as long as they win."

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/01/10_reasons_why_oregon_ducks_co.html#0 - reason 3 or 4

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/01/breaking_down_the_national_cha_3.html - "The one thing the Ducks don't allow, though, is a ton of points. Bend but don't break is their specialty. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/national-championship-preview--oregon-s-secondary-210110821.html - "Oregon will bend and bend, but the Ducks won't break. Take the Rose Bowl, when Oregon gave up 528 yards of offense to Florida State but allowed just 20 points"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/01/09/oregon-ohio-state-college-football-playoff-national-championship-att-stadium/21480097/ But what has remained the same — from the first day of the preseason until the final practice before the championship game — are the philosophies. Oregon still wants to go fast. Ohio State still wants to control the tempo. The Ducks will bend but not break on defense. The Buckeyes would rather not bend at all.

All different sources - but yeah, we don't play bend but don't break, right?

 

[sd'sker]

and the beautiful thing about oregon is that they have a perfect harmony between their offense and defense.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Oregon doesnt play "bend dont break". That is a downhill, aggressive, fast defense. There are very few teams as physical as they are on the edges too. Even when they gave up stuff, you payed for it from a physical standpoint.

Are you kidding me? I think I know Oregon schemes pretty well.. Oregon stunts their front four a lot, occasionally dropping DE's such as Armstead into a zone. bringing pressure from other angles, but its almost always 3/8 or 4/7 looks from them. They very rarely bring pressure outside of the red zone.

The idea that a bend don't break defense can't be physical or fast is incorrect. You can still fly to the football and rip it away (which is what the Ducks do, gang tackle, don't miss tackles, first guy wraps out, rest go for the ball. This is why they are one of the highest TO margin teams in the nation.

Finally, I'll let you argue with the Oregon DC, Don Pellum, who said they are still keeping Aliotti principles, the bend but don't break idea, fine with giving up yards, but will be more aggressive in passing down situations. just not points - something Chip Kelly constantly stated as well. Here are a couple articles from Eugene/Oregon about the "bend but don't break" philosophy that you say we don't run.

http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/32366310-81/not-this-time-no.-5-oregon-routs-stanford.csp# - "Erick Dargan intercepted Kevin Hogan at the Oregon 1-yard line and later forced the Stanford quarterback to fumble to highlight another bend-but-don’t-break effort by Don Pellum’s defense."

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/245503-112460-oregon-defense-has-stated-its-case- - "As the saying at UO goes, the Ducks will give up yards all day, as long as they win."

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/01/10_reasons_why_oregon_ducks_co.html#0 - reason 3 or 4

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/01/breaking_down_the_national_cha_3.html - "The one thing the Ducks don't allow, though, is a ton of points. Bend but don't break is their specialty. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/national-championship-preview--oregon-s-secondary-210110821.html - "Oregon will bend and bend, but the Ducks won't break. Take the Rose Bowl, when Oregon gave up 528 yards of offense to Florida State but allowed just 20 points"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/01/09/oregon-ohio-state-college-football-playoff-national-championship-att-stadium/21480097/ But what has remained the same — from the first day of the preseason until the final practice before the championship game — are the philosophies. Oregon still wants to go fast. Ohio State still wants to control the tempo. The Ducks will bend but not break on defense. The Buckeyes would rather not bend at all.

All different sources - but yeah, we don't play bend but don't break, right?

Well, by that i guess every defense is bend dont break then. It's hard and nearly impossible to just be a straight up shut down, 3 and out defense anymore. Bend dont break in this day and age to me is just what we've been doing here for the past few years. While Oregon may be so in a schematic way of thinking, to me, it's just more than that. it's not all X's and O's. it's a mentality. Aggression. They play with aggression. Even in passive schemes. WE havent been doing that. We've been playing tentative, waiting for the offense to dictate and then try to react. I see Oregon just doing what it does-even if it is a contain and sit back style-in a fast, aggressive, downhill style. it's a pretty widely used philosophy by a lot of defenses I guess. You got into schematics. I guess I was just talking from more of a phsychological standpoint.

 

[The King]

Oregon doesnt play "bend dont break". That is a downhill, aggressive, fast defense. There are very few teams as physical as they are on the edges too. Even when they gave up stuff, you payed for it from a physical standpoint.

Are you kidding me? I think I know Oregon schemes pretty well.. Oregon stunts their front four a lot, occasionally dropping DE's such as Armstead into a zone. bringing pressure from other angles, but its almost always 3/8 or 4/7 looks from them. They very rarely bring pressure outside of the red zone.

The idea that a bend don't break defense can't be physical or fast is incorrect. You can still fly to the football and rip it away (which is what the Ducks do, gang tackle, don't miss tackles, first guy wraps out, rest go for the ball. This is why they are one of the highest TO margin teams in the nation.

Finally, I'll let you argue with the Oregon DC, Don Pellum, who said they are still keeping Aliotti principles, the bend but don't break idea, fine with giving up yards, but will be more aggressive in passing down situations. just not points - something Chip Kelly constantly stated as well. Here are a couple articles from Eugene/Oregon about the "bend but don't break" philosophy that you say we don't run.

http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/32366310-81/not-this-time-no.-5-oregon-routs-stanford.csp# - "Erick Dargan intercepted Kevin Hogan at the Oregon 1-yard line and later forced the Stanford quarterback to fumble to highlight another bend-but-don’t-break effort by Don Pellum’s defense."

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/245503-112460-oregon-defense-has-stated-its-case- - "As the saying at UO goes, the Ducks will give up yards all day, as long as they win."

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/01/10_reasons_why_oregon_ducks_co.html#0 - reason 3 or 4

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/01/breaking_down_the_national_cha_3.html - "The one thing the Ducks don't allow, though, is a ton of points. Bend but don't break is their specialty. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/national-championship-preview--oregon-s-secondary-210110821.html - "Oregon will bend and bend, but the Ducks won't break. Take the Rose Bowl, when Oregon gave up 528 yards of offense to Florida State but allowed just 20 points"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/01/09/oregon-ohio-state-college-football-playoff-national-championship-att-stadium/21480097/ But what has remained the same — from the first day of the preseason until the final practice before the championship game — are the philosophies. Oregon still wants to go fast. Ohio State still wants to control the tempo. The Ducks will bend but not break on defense. The Buckeyes would rather not bend at all.

All different sources - but yeah, we don't play bend but don't break, right?

Well, by that i guess every defense is bend dont break then. It's hard and nearly impossible to just be a straight up shut down, 3 and out defense anymore. Bend dont break in this day and age to me is just what we've been doing here for the past few years. While Oregon may be so in a schematic way of thinking, to me, it's just more than that. it's not all X's and O's. it's a mentality. Aggression. They play with aggression. Even in passive schemes. WE havent been doing that. We've been playing tentative, waiting for the offense to dictate and then try to react. I see Oregon just doing what it does-even if it is a contain and sit back style-in a fast, aggressive, downhill style. it's a pretty widely used philosophy by a lot of defenses I guess. You got into schematics. I guess I was just talking from more of a phsychological standpoint.

I would say there are true aggressive defenses still, for instance, schools like ASU, TCU, UW, UCLA blitz FREQUENTLY, trying to put the heat on you, forcing quick 3 and outs. Oregon and other true "bend but don't break" want you to go on increased play drives so they can try and force a turnover. They are completely okay with giving up field goals because they know their offense will put up TDs. I'd consider those previous teams as an "aggressive" defense that is "NOT" bend but don't break. ASU blitzed on like 70% of plays or something insane like that. Dropping everyone into coverage (which is actually the sign of a strong DL) is bend but don't break. 2 high safeties ALL the time is bend but don't break. That's what Oregon does. Yards, not points. Not a lot of teams TRULY do this because they can't rely purely on their offense to get TDs and they don't have the DL/LB play to stuff the run while consistently dropping 7 or 8 in pass coverage. Oregon is very aggressive in their scheme (not playing patty cake, flying to the pall, press corners, force TO's at all costs) but their scheme is not an aggressive one (lack of blitzes, pressures, high safeties all the time)

I do, however, agree with you that Bo Pelini's bend-but-don't break was garbage mentally compared to Oregon's, though. Oregon doesn't wait for the team to come at them. They react as quickly as possible and FLY to the ball once the play is diagnosed, wrap & rip