Barney Cotton to help Beck coach from the booth, not the sidelines

[Malth]

100% agree. Man, the Jets are terrible. Quite possibly the worst team in the NFL.

I dunno how the Jets are doing, but I sense snarkiness here.

Whatever the Jets are doing has nothing to do with the Huskers.

 

[Ratt Mhule]

100% agree. Man, the Jets are terrible. Quite possibly the worst team in the NFL.

I dunno how the Jets are doing, but I sense snarkiness here.

Whatever the Jets are doing has nothing to do with the Huskers.

Not the point. The point is he said Cally is a bad coach. He is not a bad coach, he is a very good OL coach.

 

[The Dude]

100% agree. Man, the Jets are terrible. Quite possibly the worst team in the NFL.

I dunno how the Jets are doing, but I sense snarkiness here.

Whatever the Jets are doing has nothing to do with the Huskers.

Not the point. The point is he said Cally is a bad coach. He is not a bad coach, he is a very good OL coach.

My point was there's negativity about Callahan in Husker Nation because he was a horrible coach while he coached here. What he does as a position coach in the NFL is completely irrelevant.

 

[Malth]

100% agree. Man, the Jets are terrible. Quite possibly the worst team in the NFL.

I dunno how the Jets are doing, but I sense snarkiness here.

Whatever the Jets are doing has nothing to do with the Huskers.

Not the point. The point is he said Cally is a bad coach. He is not a bad coach, he is a very good OL coach.

So you're gonna nitpick over semantics?

 

[bshirt]

Oh, I just mean, and not just today, you are coming down hard on Barney. I am in full agreement with you on that, though. I don't mean riled up.

Regarding that PR campaign though, there was definitely a concerted rhetoric effort. I don't know you could say that it was nefarious, it just rings fairly hollow. "Bringing Nebraska Back"...instead of looking to the future. Callahan failed here because he lost the team in '07 and didn't win enough, but not because of silly things like he didn't "get" Nebraska and Bo "does", or because he "destroyed" the walk-on program, things like that.

Once again well said. He failed because he couldn't fire one of his best friends in Cozgrove and that is what I hope doesn't happen to Bo. But I'm going to hold out hope that he sees the bigger picture and that he won't be able to win any championships with Barney on the coaching staff. Just as Callahan couldn't win anything with Cozgrove around.

Uhhh....one couldn't even hack winning seasons half the time while the other's worst year was nine wins.

I wouldn't say there was a lot of similarities.

 

[bshirt]

Absolutely those were comments meant to distance the current regime from the past, but my God - can you blame them? The Pederson Era was the single biggest crime in this football program's history. It deserves mountains of scorn, heaps of derision, and it gets.... next to nothing.

And you seem to be conveniently forgetting the internal - and overtly external - messages from 2002-2007. NOTHING coming out of Stadium Drive today is even remotely as bad as what Pederson and Callahan were generating regarding Frank's era, and even going so far as to denounce the Osborne years. You either are ignorant of that or you agree with that, but regardless, you cannot cry about the commentary of the Pederson Era without first putting it into context.

Pederson distanced himself from the past of this program and I understand that and in some respects, again, SOME, I did agree with it. Osborne cast a large shadow over this program, Nebraska football needed to get out from under that shadow in some respects, because that staff and the folks who built that program weren't here any longer.

What has always rubbed me the wrong way about this is how upset people were when Steve did these things and when similar events go down a few years later that are "in favor" they are suddenly alright. It comes back to the hypocrisy. Much like the criticisms of the walk-on program under Callahan/Pederson. Callahan was so evil, they cut the walk-on program and Bo came to "save it", but in reality, nothing has really changed with it. It was simple gasbagging rhetoric so that the new staff could play "Joe-Hero"

There is a way to distance yourself from previous regimes without tossing them under the bus. I don't care how incompetent or successful things were seen.

It has nothing to do with "hypocrisy." It has everything to do with a culture established in a program 40 years ago, perpetuated by one of the greatest college football coaches of all time, carried on by his successor (to a degree), and then purposefully trampled underfoot by a new regime. There is a Nebraska Way about our program, and that way is the right way. Trashing that culture in favor of some megalomaniac's "vision" is stupid, irresponsible and, as we saw, an abject failure.

This is not the Steve Pederson program. It is what it is - the Nebraska Football program. It is all right to remove the BS from our program that Pederson instilled. It is all right to get this ship right again. It is all right to state overtly that we were going in the wrong direction under Pederson, and it is all right to regain what we lost.

You can hero-worship Pederson and Callahan all you want. Wishing for that era, or that culture, to come back is futile.

Where you are wrong is that you need to separate Peterson from Callahan. Callahan did have more than his fair share of stupid things that he said (2004 after CU) but getting mad because of the throat slash and calling OU fans hillbillies, then praising Bo for his lunacy on the sidelines is where the hypocrisy lies in the fan base. I will agree with 90% of the criticisms of Peterson with his biggest mistake being that he should have let Frank stay one more year so he could complete his failure since the 2004 had very little talent and no dept due to his crappy recruiting. Then Frank would have killed the last two streaks that we had at the time (KU and the Bowl Streak) then there wouldn't have been two sides to the fan base, it would have been behind getting rid of him after that year. But he listened to too many boosters after the KSU a$$ whipping in Lincoln that year. Then by saying that he wasn't going to allow OU and UT to take the conference put undeserved pressure on Callahan in his first year with very little to work with. Which is why he had to go the JUCO route after that year to get competitive in the conference.

By and large, negativity about Callahan stems from the fact that he was a god awful coach. If Bo was anywhere near as bad as Callahan, he wouldn't get nearly as much slack. It may not be fair, but it's the way of the world.

100% agree. Man, the Jets are terrible. Quite possibly the worst team in the NFL.

Who cares about the Jets or the NFL??

NU is "college" football.

Really? My God, you learn something new everyday, don't you?

Then specify, he is a bad COLLEGE coach, not he is a bad COACH. If you can find the word COLLEGE coach in his post, then I'll take back what I wrote. But guess what, you won't. Sorry.

Truth is, hes not a bad coach. He was a bad fit for Nebraska. That's all. Get over it, he's gone. And so is Shawn Watson and Ted Gilmore. So now you get to see if they were the actual problem.

Well gee, Clownahan's been gone over three years now and I haven't seen any losing seasons since. Not even close.

I'd guess he was a problem.

 

[Ratt Mhule]

Absolutely those were comments meant to distance the current regime from the past, but my God - can you blame them? The Pederson Era was the single biggest crime in this football program's history. It deserves mountains of scorn, heaps of derision, and it gets.... next to nothing.

And you seem to be conveniently forgetting the internal - and overtly external - messages from 2002-2007. NOTHING coming out of Stadium Drive today is even remotely as bad as what Pederson and Callahan were generating regarding Frank's era, and even going so far as to denounce the Osborne years. You either are ignorant of that or you agree with that, but regardless, you cannot cry about the commentary of the Pederson Era without first putting it into context.

Pederson distanced himself from the past of this program and I understand that and in some respects, again, SOME, I did agree with it. Osborne cast a large shadow over this program, Nebraska football needed to get out from under that shadow in some respects, because that staff and the folks who built that program weren't here any longer.

What has always rubbed me the wrong way about this is how upset people were when Steve did these things and when similar events go down a few years later that are "in favor" they are suddenly alright. It comes back to the hypocrisy. Much like the criticisms of the walk-on program under Callahan/Pederson. Callahan was so evil, they cut the walk-on program and Bo came to "save it", but in reality, nothing has really changed with it. It was simple gasbagging rhetoric so that the new staff could play "Joe-Hero"

There is a way to distance yourself from previous regimes without tossing them under the bus. I don't care how incompetent or successful things were seen.

It has nothing to do with "hypocrisy." It has everything to do with a culture established in a program 40 years ago, perpetuated by one of the greatest college football coaches of all time, carried on by his successor (to a degree), and then purposefully trampled underfoot by a new regime. There is a Nebraska Way about our program, and that way is the right way. Trashing that culture in favor of some megalomaniac's "vision" is stupid, irresponsible and, as we saw, an abject failure.

This is not the Steve Pederson program. It is what it is - the Nebraska Football program. It is all right to remove the BS from our program that Pederson instilled. It is all right to get this ship right again. It is all right to state overtly that we were going in the wrong direction under Pederson, and it is all right to regain what we lost.

You can hero-worship Pederson and Callahan all you want. Wishing for that era, or that culture, to come back is futile.

Where you are wrong is that you need to separate Peterson from Callahan. Callahan did have more than his fair share of stupid things that he said (2004 after CU) but getting mad because of the throat slash and calling OU fans hillbillies, then praising Bo for his lunacy on the sidelines is where the hypocrisy lies in the fan base. I will agree with 90% of the criticisms of Peterson with his biggest mistake being that he should have let Frank stay one more year so he could complete his failure since the 2004 had very little talent and no dept due to his crappy recruiting. Then Frank would have killed the last two streaks that we had at the time (KU and the Bowl Streak) then there wouldn't have been two sides to the fan base, it would have been behind getting rid of him after that year. But he listened to too many boosters after the KSU a$$ whipping in Lincoln that year. Then by saying that he wasn't going to allow OU and UT to take the conference put undeserved pressure on Callahan in his first year with very little to work with. Which is why he had to go the JUCO route after that year to get competitive in the conference.

By and large, negativity about Callahan stems from the fact that he was a god awful coach. If Bo was anywhere near as bad as Callahan, he wouldn't get nearly as much slack. It may not be fair, but it's the way of the world.

100% agree. Man, the Jets are terrible. Quite possibly the worst team in the NFL.

Who cares about the Jets or the NFL??

NU is "college" football.

Really? My God, you learn something new everyday, don't you?

Then specify, he is a bad COLLEGE coach, not he is a bad COACH. If you can find the word COLLEGE coach in his post, then I'll take back what I wrote. But guess what, you won't. Sorry.

Truth is, hes not a bad coach. He was a bad fit for Nebraska. That's all. Get over it, he's gone. And so is Shawn Watson and Ted Gilmore. So now you get to see if they were the actual problem.

Well gee, Clownahan's been gone over three years now and I haven't seen any losing seasons since. Not even close.

I'd guess he was a problem.

Re-read the post. I said Shawn Watson and Ted Gilmore are gone too, so now you get to see if they (as in Watson and Gilmore) were the actual problem. I think we all know Callahan was a bad hire. There is no point in even discussing that anymore. It's been beatin to a pulp and buried long ago.

Gilmore is gone and receivers were still having trouble catching the ball today. You can only blame those guys for so long. Who are you going to blame next if our offense still continues to stink?

 

[zoogs]

Not talking about HCing, but Bo is a much better coach than Callahan was, though he did have his strengths.

That is why we are doing better today and not because Callahan was not a "Nebraska man" who never understood what Husker football was all about.

 

[The Dude]

Absolutely those were comments meant to distance the current regime from the past, but my God - can you blame them? The Pederson Era was the single biggest crime in this football program's history. It deserves mountains of scorn, heaps of derision, and it gets.... next to nothing.

And you seem to be conveniently forgetting the internal - and overtly external - messages from 2002-2007. NOTHING coming out of Stadium Drive today is even remotely as bad as what Pederson and Callahan were generating regarding Frank's era, and even going so far as to denounce the Osborne years. You either are ignorant of that or you agree with that, but regardless, you cannot cry about the commentary of the Pederson Era without first putting it into context.

Pederson distanced himself from the past of this program and I understand that and in some respects, again, SOME, I did agree with it. Osborne cast a large shadow over this program, Nebraska football needed to get out from under that shadow in some respects, because that staff and the folks who built that program weren't here any longer.

What has always rubbed me the wrong way about this is how upset people were when Steve did these things and when similar events go down a few years later that are "in favor" they are suddenly alright. It comes back to the hypocrisy. Much like the criticisms of the walk-on program under Callahan/Pederson. Callahan was so evil, they cut the walk-on program and Bo came to "save it", but in reality, nothing has really changed with it. It was simple gasbagging rhetoric so that the new staff could play "Joe-Hero"

There is a way to distance yourself from previous regimes without tossing them under the bus. I don't care how incompetent or successful things were seen.

It has nothing to do with "hypocrisy." It has everything to do with a culture established in a program 40 years ago, perpetuated by one of the greatest college football coaches of all time, carried on by his successor (to a degree), and then purposefully trampled underfoot by a new regime. There is a Nebraska Way about our program, and that way is the right way. Trashing that culture in favor of some megalomaniac's "vision" is stupid, irresponsible and, as we saw, an abject failure.

This is not the Steve Pederson program. It is what it is - the Nebraska Football program. It is all right to remove the BS from our program that Pederson instilled. It is all right to get this ship right again. It is all right to state overtly that we were going in the wrong direction under Pederson, and it is all right to regain what we lost.

You can hero-worship Pederson and Callahan all you want. Wishing for that era, or that culture, to come back is futile.

Where you are wrong is that you need to separate Peterson from Callahan. Callahan did have more than his fair share of stupid things that he said (2004 after CU) but getting mad because of the throat slash and calling OU fans hillbillies, then praising Bo for his lunacy on the sidelines is where the hypocrisy lies in the fan base. I will agree with 90% of the criticisms of Peterson with his biggest mistake being that he should have let Frank stay one more year so he could complete his failure since the 2004 had very little talent and no dept due to his crappy recruiting. Then Frank would have killed the last two streaks that we had at the time (KU and the Bowl Streak) then there wouldn't have been two sides to the fan base, it would have been behind getting rid of him after that year. But he listened to too many boosters after the KSU a$$ whipping in Lincoln that year. Then by saying that he wasn't going to allow OU and UT to take the conference put undeserved pressure on Callahan in his first year with very little to work with. Which is why he had to go the JUCO route after that year to get competitive in the conference.

By and large, negativity about Callahan stems from the fact that he was a god awful coach. If Bo was anywhere near as bad as Callahan, he wouldn't get nearly as much slack. It may not be fair, but it's the way of the world.

100% agree. Man, the Jets are terrible. Quite possibly the worst team in the NFL.

Who cares about the Jets or the NFL??

NU is "college" football.

Really? My God, you learn something new everyday, don't you?

Then specify, he is a bad COLLEGE coach, not he is a bad COACH. If you can find the word COLLEGE coach in his post, then I'll take back what I wrote. But guess what, you won't. Sorry.

Truth is, hes not a bad coach. He was a bad fit for Nebraska. That's all. Get over it, he's gone. And so is Shawn Watson and Ted Gilmore. So now you get to see if they were the actual problem.

Well gee, Clownahan's been gone over three years now and I haven't seen any losing seasons since. Not even close.

I'd guess he was a problem.

Re-read the post. I said Shawn Watson and Ted Gilmore are gone too, so now you get to see if they (as in Watson and Gilmore) were the actual problem. I think we all know Callahan was a bad hire. There is no point in even discussing that anymore. It's been beatin to a pulp and buried long ago.

Gilmore is gone and receivers were still having trouble catching the ball today. You can only blame those guys for so long. Who are you going to blame next if our offense still continues to stink?

We've already decided Barney Cotton is the scapegoat this year. Where have you been? :lol:

 

[knapplc]

Absolutely those were comments meant to distance the current regime from the past, but my God - can you blame them? The Pederson Era was the single biggest crime in this football program's history. It deserves mountains of scorn, heaps of derision, and it gets.... next to nothing.

And you seem to be conveniently forgetting the internal - and overtly external - messages from 2002-2007. NOTHING coming out of Stadium Drive today is even remotely as bad as what Pederson and Callahan were generating regarding Frank's era, and even going so far as to denounce the Osborne years. You either are ignorant of that or you agree with that, but regardless, you cannot cry about the commentary of the Pederson Era without first putting it into context.

Pederson distanced himself from the past of this program and I understand that and in some respects, again, SOME, I did agree with it. Osborne cast a large shadow over this program, Nebraska football needed to get out from under that shadow in some respects, because that staff and the folks who built that program weren't here any longer.

What has always rubbed me the wrong way about this is how upset people were when Steve did these things and when similar events go down a few years later that are "in favor" they are suddenly alright. It comes back to the hypocrisy. Much like the criticisms of the walk-on program under Callahan/Pederson. Callahan was so evil, they cut the walk-on program and Bo came to "save it", but in reality, nothing has really changed with it. It was simple gasbagging rhetoric so that the new staff could play "Joe-Hero"

There is a way to distance yourself from previous regimes without tossing them under the bus. I don't care how incompetent or successful things were seen.

It has nothing to do with "hypocrisy." It has everything to do with a culture established in a program 40 years ago, perpetuated by one of the greatest college football coaches of all time, carried on by his successor (to a degree), and then purposefully trampled underfoot by a new regime. There is a Nebraska Way about our program, and that way is the right way. Trashing that culture in favor of some megalomaniac's "vision" is stupid, irresponsible and, as we saw, an abject failure.

This is not the Steve Pederson program. It is what it is - the Nebraska Football program. It is all right to remove the BS from our program that Pederson instilled. It is all right to get this ship right again. It is all right to state overtly that we were going in the wrong direction under Pederson, and it is all right to regain what we lost.

You can hero-worship Pederson and Callahan all you want. Wishing for that era, or that culture, to come back is futile.

Where you are wrong is that you need to separate Peterson from Callahan. Callahan did have more than his fair share of stupid things that he said (2004 after CU) but getting mad because of the throat slash and calling OU fans hillbillies, then praising Bo for his lunacy on the sidelines is where the hypocrisy lies in the fan base. I will agree with 90% of the criticisms of Peterson with his biggest mistake being that he should have let Frank stay one more year so he could complete his failure since the 2004 had very little talent and no dept due to his crappy recruiting. Then Frank would have killed the last two streaks that we had at the time (KU and the Bowl Streak) then there wouldn't have been two sides to the fan base, it would have been behind getting rid of him after that year. But he listened to too many boosters after the KSU a$$ whipping in Lincoln that year. Then by saying that he wasn't going to allow OU and UT to take the conference put undeserved pressure on Callahan in his first year with very little to work with. Which is why he had to go the JUCO route after that year to get competitive in the conference.

Now that is downright funny. You tell me I'm wrong because I'm not separating Pederson from Callahan (I am, but that's not the point) and then in the very next sentence you complain about the reaction of the fans to what Callahan did, when Endo and I are focusing things said by the administration. Thick, thick irony there.

 

[HUSKERCR]

Wanna know how good a coach Barney is?

Just ask any Iowa Stater.

We didn't listen to Colorado's warnings about Watson either.

We paid the price.