Baylor, NU and the future

StPaulHusker said:
I think Art Briles is a very good coach and he is going to do some great things. But I have to say that he took over a broken program at the same time as Bo did. His record:

4-8

4-8

7-6

10-3

8-5

8-0 so far.

Please raise your hand if you think he would have lasted as Nebraska's head coach with 30 losses in his first 5 years and 2 of those seasons being losing seasons. Briles has only lost less than 4 games in his collegiate career 1 time. He is on pace to do it again but let's be honest. If we are unhappy with a coach taking over a program with 20 losses in 5 years, what would we have said about Briles?
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looks to me like Briles, after 2 years, is now winning with his recruits...wish we could say the same for Bo!

 
Hunter94 said:
StPaulHusker said:
I think Art Briles is a very good coach and he is going to do some great things. But I have to say that he took over a broken program at the same time as Bo did. His record:

4-8

4-8

7-6

10-3

8-5

8-0 so far.

Please raise your hand if you think he would have lasted as Nebraska's head coach with 30 losses in his first 5 years and 2 of those seasons being losing seasons. Briles has only lost less than 4 games in his collegiate career 1 time. He is on pace to do it again but let's be honest. If we are unhappy with a coach taking over a program with 20 losses in 5 years, what would we have said about Briles?
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looks to me like Briles, after 2 years, is now winning with his recruits...wish we could say the same for Bo!
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Face meet Palm

 
Stumpy1 said:
People need to get over this notion that Baylor is Baylor and should suck always and that Nebraska is Nebraska and should be good always. Things change all the time in the world and sports is NO different. It gets old seeing the entitlement issues some have just because we are " Nebraska". Look at Oklahoma thru the late 90's or USC thru the same time period. Every team has a period in time where they struggle or don't meet expectations or even over exceed their expectations for a period of time.
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Good post, how do you think most OU fans feel about their 29pt loss to Baylor? Things in college football are so much different than they used to be, its amazing what an infusion of money from Phil Knight or Boone Pickens can do for a program.

It's not like Okie Lt, and Oregon have always been good. Baylor alums have poured huge amounts of money into their athletic department over the last few years. Combine that with a good coach, like Bryles, and you have something.

It will always be easier to recruit to a decent Texas school than to Nebraska for the simple reason that there is so much talent in Texas.

Look at Mike Leach, he had TT going right away when he took over, it is going to take a little longer at WSU. Not as much local talent to pick from.

Besides, Baylor is really good this year, it doesn't mean they will be forever or even next year. They may be 8-4 next year.

 
strigori said:
Mavric said:
BaytownHusker said:
Its much easier for Briles to recruit his type of Offense in and from Texas. They Have 14 kids from outside of Texas on that team. Now if NEB were in Texas they to could prob get that talent to run and Offense like that.
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Once you get a little momentum (e.g., someone like RGIII to show up on campus), it gets a lot easier in a hurry when you have that many recruits so close to home. They currently have 22 commits forming the #23 class for 2014. Exactly one of them is NOT from Texas. Last year they signed 22 recruits - two were not from Texas. Their 2012 class had 23 signees - one was not from Texas. There is a pattern there somewhere.
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Baylor is still, even now, no better than 3rd banana in the state. Texas and A&M will always be above them. OU and OSU hit Texas hard. This is a just a cop out for people looking for an excuse why players somehow dont end up in Nebraska. They still do not tend to land the top end talent that we want. Callahan got a highly ranked class in here, Zook got a top 10 class to go to Illinois. Its a cop out, and stop accepting it.
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Yes. That's exactly what I said. Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

The point is not that they have had really great classes. I'm not trying to take away anything from what they've done. But they are a lot closer to a lot more top talent than we are. That's not a cop out. That's an obvious fact.

 
T2tRA said:
One of the winningest programs in college football history, where 5 national championship trophies are placed amongst hundreds of other trophies on the west side of their stadium, has too many disadvantages getting players to come here. Yes, we have it so bad.

What's worse, is that these so called recruiting gurus haven't given any thought to the fact that the amount of players with incredible talent has gone through the roof. There weren't nearly as many football players to choose from in the days when this program was being built. Now there is talent everywhere.
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Having success and having disadvantages are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, the number of good football players has increased dramatically. But so has the number of competitive programs. We used to be able to stockpile talent because there were only 2-3 teams in each conference that go most of the talent and we were one of them. That's 10-12 teams across the country that got the majority of the top end talent. Now there is a lot more to go around and go around it does. That's what's created the parity that makes college football so interesting and also so much tougher to be at the top because you can't just simply overwhelm 8-9 opponents each year because you are simply physically superior.

 
Stumpy1 said:
People need to get over this notion that Baylor is Baylor and should suck always and that Nebraska is Nebraska and should be good always. Things change all the time in the world and sports is NO different. It gets old seeing the entitlement issues some have just because we are " Nebraska". Look at Oklahoma thru the late 90's or USC thru the same time period. Every team has a period in time where they struggle or don't meet expectations or even over exceed their expectations for a period of time.
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And what did OU and USC from those stretches have in common? Lousy coaches. The same thing Baylor had from 94-07. (they did actually win the SWC a few times before it imploded) In all cases they hire a good coach and things spring to life. USC is a case in point again, Carrol leaves, and Kiffin takes them down. Its about the coaching, plain and simple. All it shows is the Pelini is mediocre at best.

 
I will not let this program gravitate toward mediocrity....and we were all saying YA! Screw Mediocrity!

Then we hired Bill Callahan and failed over and over and over.......

Now that we are mediocre again everyone is like......No, please, don't fire another coach. Mediocre is the new thang!

Then he was like oh no you didn't and then he was like oh yes he did

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Eh.

I don't know. Bill gets a pass for the 5-6 year. He inherited a bare cupboard. Never mind the previous record, we all know what kind of talent Frank left Bill versus what kind of talent Bill left Bo (in case it needs rehashing, maybe a list of current Huskers in the NFL would suffice).

Obviously, in 2007, the team collapsed. Not a pass, but a failure and the reason why he's gone.

Collapse aside, 8-4, 9-5, borderline or second-tier Top 25 products, that's where we were then and it's where we are now. The difference between then and now is Bo a) didn't have to rebuild, b) hasn't yet suffered a season collapse.

If Callahan was really fielding a consistently just-shy-of-7 wins a year team that the 27-22 would suggest on average, that's a different story, and I'd agree: a clear step below where we are now.

 
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