Beating Teams We "Should" Beat

Mavric

Mavric

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Not sure where this all started from but there's been quite a discussion going on via Twitter about beating teams we "should" beat.

Some interesting past games and notes thrown around:

Joel Schafer ‏@joelschafer 2h2 hours ago
@NickBahe Bo didn't always beat who he should have. Iowa State 9 - Nebraska 6… at home.

Nick Bahe ‏@NickBahe 2h2 hours ago
@joelschafer There are certainly exceptions. But for the most part Bo won the games he was supposed to win.

Samuel McKewon ‏@swmckewonOWH 40m40 minutes ago
@NickBahe Bo’s best 2 teams - 2009 and 2010 - lost a combined 5 games they shouldn’t have. 09 TT. 09 ISU. 10 Texas. 10 OU. 10 holiday bowl.

Mike'l Severe ‏@MikelSevere 39m39 minutes ago

@swmckewonOWH @NickBahe better said, Bo didn't lose to non bowl teams.

Samuel McKewon ‏@swmckewonOWH 30m30 minutes ago
@MikelSevere @NickBahe Bo and Callahan lost to the same number of non-bowl teams. 1. (2004 Kansas State and 2010 Texas)

Nick Bahe ‏@NickBahe 1h1 hour ago
@LarryNOmaha @joelschafer That Texas team was in the title game the yr b4. Little different than a purdue team that has 1 B10 win in 3 yrs.


Nick Bahe ‏@NickBahe 33m33 minutes ago
@swmckewonOWH outside of ISU all of those teams are just flat out better teams than Purdue or Illinois are this year. Tough discussion tho.



Also saw someone say that the only non-bowl team Osborne lost to was 1992 ISU but can't find it now.

 
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Mavric said:
Also saw someone say that the only non-bowl team Osborne lost to was 1992 ISU but can't find it now.
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There were way fewer bowls back then. Maybe the only non-elegible bowl team (aka team with a losing record) he lost to?

 
It seems like a very circuitous way to get to the conclusion, "Purdue is a terrible team and we shouldn't have lost to them."

Which everyone who follows college football knew already.

 
Mavric said:
Also saw someone say that the only non-bowl team Osborne lost to was 1992 ISU but can't find it now.
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After 10 minutes on Wikipedia, this claim is false by a long ways. TO technically lost to 8 teams that didn't go to a bowl. But the total is probably really 7 as we lost to OU in 1990 when they were on probation so they couldn't go.

1974 Wisconsin in Madison

1974 Missouri in Lincoln

1976 Iowa St in Ames

1976 Missouri in Lincoln

1977 Washington St in Lincoln

1984 Syracuse in Syracuse

1992 Iowa St

1990 Oklahoma in Norman (OU finished 8-3, but didn't go to a bowl game due to probation)

 
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I fear MR will win just enough to keep his job. My prediction is we lose to at least one bad team every year, and we beat at least one top 20 team every year.

 
Framing the discussion in terms of W-L takes away a bit from the actual reality of things.

Bo's teams were time and time again very very lucky, but his teams routinely played terrible against teams they shouldn't have. 2009 ISU, TT, 2010 Texas, SDSU, Texas A&M, ISU, Washington, 2011 Northwestern, OSU, 2013 NW, Wyoming, Minnesota, 2014 McNeese State, etc.

 
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
Framing the discussion in terms of W-L takes away a bit from the actual reality of things.

Bo's teams were time and time again very very lucky, but his teams routinely played terrible against teams they shouldn't have. 2009 ISU, TT, 2010 Texas, SDSU, Texas A&M, ISU, Washington, 2011 Northwestern, OSU, 2013 NW, Wyoming, Minnesota, 2014 McNeese State, etc.
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Exactly... If he could of won those games, most of them coming when we were getting national respect he would still be here.
 
I remember that 92 ISU loss vividly. ISU ran for 373 yards that day against a No. 1 ranked Husker team that had just pounded CO and KU. They ran it through us to the point of comedy and ball controlled the game away.

A comparible loss would be Syracuse running for 400 yards this weekend and beating Clemson.

 
InOmaha said:
I remember that 92 ISU loss vividly. ISU ran for 373 yards that day against a No. 1 ranked Husker team that had just pounded CO and KU. They ran it through us to the point of comedy and ball controlled the game away.
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An unforgettable loss, indeed.

But that loss is as responsible for Husker lore as any win. It's not that you lose, it's how you respond.

 
Red Five said:
Mavric said:
Also saw someone say that the only non-bowl team Osborne lost to was 1992 ISU but can't find it now.
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After 10 minutes on Wikipedia, this claim is false by a long ways. TO technically lost to 8 teams that didn't go to a bowl. But the total is probably really 7 as we lost to OU in 1990 when they were on probation so they couldn't go.

1974 Wisconsin in Madison

1974 Missouri in Lincoln

1976 Iowa St in Ames

1976 Missouri in Lincoln

1977 Washington St in Lincoln

1984 Syracuse in Syracuse

1992 Iowa St

1990 Oklahoma in Norman (OU finished 8-3, but didn't go to a bowl game due to probation)
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So were those teams bowl-eligible but just weren't selected as you mentioned earlier (except 92 ISU)?

 
How does everyone ignore that there was nothing that indicated Nebraska "should" win at Purdue?

The starting talent and experience was considerably in Purdue's favor.

Nebraska had no starting veteran QB, starting RB, starting SS, and biggest potential playmaker at WR.

A walk-on, 1st time starting QB that threw 4 picks is about par for the course.

A running game without arguably their best offensive lineman (Nick Gates) blocking out to injury and the best pass protection running back out.

A defensive front seven that has been hodgepodged from the beginning of the season due to suspension or nagging injury.

and a secondary that has proven incapable to handle man coverage and a free safety that has progressively gotten worse every single week.

Hindsight is 20/20 sure, but anyone that thought Nebraska "should" win this game, wasn't paying very close attention.

 
gdubs4nu said:
How does everyone ignore that there was nothing that indicated Nebraska "should" win at Purdue?

The starting talent and experience was considerably in Purdue's favor.

Nebraska had no starting veteran QB, starting RB, starting SS, and biggest potential playmaker at WR.

A walk-on, 1st time starting QB that threw 4 picks is about par for the course.

A running game without arguably their best offensive lineman (Nick Gates) blocking out to injury and the best pass protection running back out.

A defensive front seven that has been hodgepodged from the beginning of the season due to suspension or nagging injury.

and a secondary that has proven incapable to handle man coverage and a free safety that has progressively gotten worse every single week.

Hindsight is 20/20 sure, but anyone that thought Nebraska "should" win this game, wasn't paying very close attention.
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